Amanda Knox

[heartbreaker6713]

Do I hear "double jeopardy"?

When you live abroad, you are subject to the laws of the land, of course.

There have been several times I've gotten packets in the mail for studying abroad or to be a student diplomat and the first thing that popped into my head was this case when seeing the information. I think it would be very interesting but I would never do it by myself I don't think, especially as a female I would be extremely tentative.

Although when I visited other countries since her first trial took place I wasn't nervous. I think I do remember making a comment to my family but I was with my family and didn't really wonder off on my own. There was only one time in Ireland that when I was with only just my younger sister that we opted to walk because we knew how to get to the hotel rather than take the subway and not know when or where to get off and ironically the rest of the family chose the later option and got lost, my sister and I did not. My family however couldn't figure out how to use the subway system (like getting the doors to open/signaling your stop)so that could be part if their problem hahaha.

Would anyone given the chance study abroad? Has anyone here study abroad? Is so care to share your stories? I'd definitely be interested to hear.

[Cynical Ninja]

To me it seems like the Italian authorities were determined to get a guilty verdict no matter how many trials it took.

Having said that I watched the Knox interview on msnbc and she came across as cold and calculated again. Some elements of UK media dubbed her the “ice queen”.

[HairOfTheDog]

Would anyone given the chance study abroad? Has anyone here study abroad? Is so care to share your stories? I'd definitely be interested to hear.

I studied in Japan while there on a work visa for a couple of years in the early 90s - was in my early 20s and a bit of a partier back then and for some years after that while traveling in Europe by Eurail and for business.

Never got into any legal trouble, but would definitely be more aware of laws, customs and local perspectives on morality in advance if I were to do the earlier years again or if one of my nieces/nephews were going abroad.

Things look a little different with age and wisdom, along with more exposure to stories of foreign citizens detained/killed/raped while abroad and how such cases are handled by local authorities (Natalie Holloway, Meredith Kercher and Amanda Knox, the Australian female worker jailed for being raped in Dubai, Merrill Newman's detention in North Korea...).

I think working/studying/traveling in different countries is a great opportunity for anybody of any age - if they're truly interested in learning about the culture and gaining new perspectives, Heartbreaker. But, understanding the laws of the land and avoiding activities that could land you in hot water is important here at home, even more so when a guest of another country. Though, of course, some things cannot be predicted or avoided no matter the geography.

I don't know if Amanda Knox was wrongly accused, or if she is guilty and trying to avoid punishment. A lot of things bother me about her actions and statements (the kiss outside of the crime scene and the buying of underwear don't bother me, however - idiotic sensationalism, IMO). Yet, a lot of things bother me about the Italian's LE's investigation and the prosecution's handling of the case, as well.

[Cynical Ninja]

If you go to India or China always make sure you have plenty bribery money on you for police officers and other officials.

Seriously. Kickbacks are a way of life in some countries.

[heartbreaker6713]

If you go to India or China always make sure you have plenty bribery money on you for police officers and other officials.

Seriously. Kickbacks are a way of life in some countries.

I have heard that about several countries especially if you get in trouble to avoid going to jail. The thinking is once you get into jail it is much harder to get out so bribe your way out of going in in the first place.

In high school a bunch of classmates went to Spain and one classmate got into trouble. He bribed his way out. If I remember correctly he got really drunk and peed in public and officials caught him. He was 18, one of a few of the classmates were and they were warned especially since they were 18 of us age to be careful. I didn't go on the trip as much as I wanted to, we couldn't afford it growing up.

There are a few countries I have been to and thought they were beautiful and amazing. Of course there are several more I'd love to go to given the opportunity!

[aussiefriend]

She was lucky she wasn't in the Middle East under Sharia law!

[Cynical Ninja]

I have heard that about several countries especially if you get in trouble to avoid going to jail. The thinking is once you get into jail it is much harder to get out so bribe your way out of going in in the first place.

In high school a bunch of classmates went to Spain and one classmate got into trouble. He bribed his way out. If I remember correctly he got really drunk and peed in public and officials caught him. He was 18, one of a few of the classmates were and they were warned especially since they were 18 of us age to be careful. I didn't go on the trip as much as I wanted to, we couldn't afford it growing up.

There are a few countries I have been to and thought they were beautiful and amazing. Of course there are several more I'd love to go to given the opportunity!

In China they don't just have police they have these “public security” people, they are a relic of the old communist style dictatorship and they were used mainly to quash any dissent and protest from the hoi poloi the downtrodden masses.

They would harrass any round eye they got their beady little slant eyes on. You could buy them off with like £3 or something but it was still annoying and scary.

[Cynical Ninja]

There's a documentary on BBC3 tonight called “Is Ananda Knox Guilty”?

I will watch and summerise its conclusions (if there are any) tomorrow.

[Cynical Ninja]

Well interesting really.

America extradicts people from all over the world all the time if they don't extradict Amanda Knox they are setting a dangerous precedent. “We extradict with our law and fully expect cooperation but you can't expect us to extradict with your law and fully cooperate as well” erm....no you can't do that!

There is a man in jail now as we speak for Meredith Kerchers murder who's DNA was not on the murder weapon, Amanda Knoxs DNA is on the murder weapon and she's free as a bird!

The “friends of Amanda Knox” seem to exist in a sort of “you Italians can't treat Americans like that!” Bubble. Well they can because its their country I think you'll find! Then the Italian defence for Knox blamed the media circus for her new conviction! Knox and her family who regularly courts the media circus unlike the Kercher family who never have!

Its like Knox and her supporters want their cake Meredith Kerchers cake the Italian authorities cake and the world medias cake. They want all the cake and good damn it they are gonna eat it all as well!

Knox released a statement saying she was “scared”, I'll remember that one! Oi! Nutmeg you've been convicted of murder in another country! “What? But I'm scared!”. Fair enough no extradiction for you son.

[aussiefriend]

I have thought about this if I was her, what would I do? If I was innocent, would I voluntarily return to the country and face the courts? It's a very grave thing to be accused of, I would face it. If I was innocent. If I was guilty, I would run and hide. I sometimes think the behaviours after the fact are helpful in assessing evidence of guilt.

[Cynical Ninja]

When Knox was in the police station waiting to be interviewed about the murder she was dancing and doing yoga, very strange.

Also a body language expert in the US says Knox has various physical “tells” that indicate she knows she's lying. But you can't convict someone because of their body language obviously.

[Duchess]

I have thought about this if I was her, what would I do? If I was innocent, would I voluntarily return to the country and face the courts? It's a very grave thing to be accused of, I would face it. If I was innocent. If I was guilty, I would run and hide. I sometimes think the behaviours after the fact are helpful in assessing evidence of guilt.

She already believes she was wrongly imprisoned for a crime she didn't commit. Why in the world would she return to the place that did that to her? So she doesn't look bad? Pfft. I wouldn't go either.

[aussiefriend]

It depends if you want to clear your name and how you weren't afraid to face justice. What CN said is correct, there were many instances where her behaviour was demonstrating some degree of culpability. If you were guilty you would certainly stay away. A girl is dead, her family think that she did it, they are privy to more information than we are as the general public. It makes her look bad by not facing the music.

[Cynical Ninja]

She already believes she was wrongly imprisoned for a crime she didn't commit. Why in the world would she return to the place that did that to her? So she doesn't look bad? Pfft. I wouldn't go either.

She should be extradicted.

If you live in a country you abide by their laws and if their courts say you are guilty you are guilty. The US extradicts people all the time it can't then turn around and say no when the shoe is on the other foot is what I'm saying.

[Duchess]

If you live in a country you abide by their laws and if their courts say you are guilty you are guilty. The US extradicts people all the time it can't then turn around and say no when the shoe is on the other foot is what I'm saying.

How about a country that continues to try someone until they get the result they want? Fuck that. How many times has this particular case been tried? Guilty, not guilty, guilty.

[Midwest Spy]

She's guilty, sure as the sun will rise in the east tomorrow.

Now, how does she pay for her crime?

Time will tell, but infamy is a hard thing to get away from.

[Molecia]

Guilty on some level, did she actually kill her roomie, not sure. IMO, Amanda, her boyfriend & Rudy Guede all played a role.

I fully agree with your assessment. This is like the only case I'm interested in because she's a spoiled little rich girl from a really upscale part of Seattle, WA which is close to where I live. Plus, she has narcissistic personality disorder complete with her own Facebook profile and I've always been fascinated by psychos and other unsavory characters. After reading a lot of articles about the case and finding it odd that most Americans believe she was innocent, it struck me as odd that most people couldn't see through the bullshit.

[HairOfTheDog]

GUILTY - AGAIN



On Tuesday, the Italian court issued its explanation for reinstating Knox's conviction, saying it was she who delivered the fatal knife blow to 21-year-old Meredith Kercher in Perugia, Italy.

Knox was first convicted, then acquitted on appeal, in Kercher's slaying. The acquittal was vacated last year by Italy's highest court, which ordered a new appeals trial, and she was convicted again.

In a written statement Knox said, "I am innocent." She said forensic evidence refutes the appeals court's theory that more than one person attacked Kercher and that a small kitchen knife was used in the murder.

"The recent motivation document does not - and cannot - change the forensic evidence: experts agreed that my DNA was not found anywhere in Meredith's room, while the DNA of the actual murderer, Rudy Guede, was found throughout that room and on Meredith's body," Knox said.

She pointed out that the Italian courts have repeatedly changed the supposed motives for the murder -- and she said none of them hold water.

"No fewer than three motives have been previously advanced by the prosecution and by the courts. Each of these theories was as unsupported as the purported motive found in the new motivation document, and each of these alleged motives was subsequently abandoned by the prosecution or the courts," Knox said.

Knox thanked her supporters for believing in her and said she will appeal again to Italy's Supreme Court.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/amanda-knox-...-on-guilt/

[Maggot]

I believe she did it. But like OJ she will end up in the slammer at some point.

[aussiefriend]

I believe she did it. But like OJ she will end up in the slammer at some point.

I hope the ex boyfriend cracks and gives her up.