(02-16-2011, 06:04 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 12:07 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 11:13 AM)Wish.I.was.a.P.I Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 10:34 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 02:49 AM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: I listened again and this is as best as i can make out what she is saying to 911.

TW...O.K.Hello
911...Whats going on there?
TW...My friend Johnny and Lisa they were suppose to me up. me and my friend. This was at around 11 oclock and I was on the phone with his girl frien Lisa and he hung up and we all hung up. And then I called Johnny right back cause I was gonna tell him that I was gonna run to the store and I would meet him at the house......well he was yellin at some one like um saying "bro...who are you?"

Not sure where you are hearing her stopping from saying one thing and switching to to another....so far all I get is a story being related with alot of stops and I get a sense that there is discomfort relating the details. I can't venture a guess at why this discomfort is there. Could it be because she was just accused of setting JS up? If so a person realizing they are in the hot seat could begin to stammer, wondering if those acusations were going to be leveled at her again and anything she was saying was going to used to support those acusations and further incriminate her.

This is what I heard:

I was on the phone with his gf Ls and HE ( TW says he but meant she, okay honest mistake) hung up, we all hung up, (myabe this was 3 way call?) and then he, I called jc right back I was gonna tell him that I was gonna run to the store and I would meet him at the house.. he was yellin at someone like "I'm on (she starts to say something else here)... he goes..bro who are you.. I called him right back and he didn't answer.

Ok, wait a minute....there is one thing mentioned in here that I never heard before "I would meet him at the house".....This changes alot!! If this is true, then she wasn't trying to get him out of the house so the robbery could happen/continue as thought before, this would indicate she wanted him to stay at the house which, makes no sense if she was aware that a robbery was happening or about to happen.

I'm thinking these people were already in the house when Johnny and Lisa got home. In regards to her also saying that she heard Johnny say "I'm on the"....he could have been saying "I'm on the phone with the cops" to try and scare the perps. Also, knowing there was holes punched in the walls, major ransacking in the bedroom etc, it sounds like this may have taken some time to do and could give motive as to why they killed them...if they kept saying "There is no safe" it could have simply pissed the perps off so much because they thought for sure there was a safe that they tortured them each time to get them to talk and finally just killed them. Another thing...Unknown mentioned awhile back that there was a white van (I believe) in the neighborhood days before...central security has white vans (I think)...is it possible someone they were aquanited with worked for central security?? Unknown mentioned in that same post that the wires had been cut.....someone had to know where the wires were, and have wirecutters.

I also just wanted to say that creeping through facebbok/my space/ and many other things, I am so saddened to see the lives all these kids live.

"I would meet him at the house"

She says this after she knows what has gone down, after she hear this supposed altercation. IF you believe anything TW said, that's the question. What's the truth, what's mixed with the truth...remember the best liars mix enough truth with their lies to make them SEEM believable.

Dunno if this has been addressed, as I'm the usual 10 pages behind in the thread, but when she said that about running to the store and meeting him at the house, that's a ??? for me. Did she mean, "I'm going to run to the story and meet at my house", or meet at Lisa's (IOW, she didn't need a ride any longer)?

I still find the run to the store story to be suspect. Hell, everything she says is suspect.

In regards to "I would meet him at the house" I always believed that to be the house that Tiff was staying at and not LS's. It sounds to me that she never got a chance to actually say those words or the sentence about running to the store to JC. The "arguing" started and he dropped the phone before she had a chance to. If I recall correctly she told the sheriff that she called JC back for a second time and "was gonna tell him" to wait a bit before he left because she was "running" to the store. Tiff also claims that she didn't have any transportation so she wouldn't have been able to meet him at Lisa's. She told the sheriff that she she had to wait for her friend's mom to get home so she could go check on JC & LS. I believe she had to wait for her to get home to use her car.

This is my first post , and I just spent a LONG time reading the previous comments. ( Well , some of them ) and I have to honestly say , I believe TIffany. It takes alot of guts to come on here and answer questions .
I do however have a question ( that may have been asked before , and forgive me if it has ) , did JC 's mom like LS ? Or did she seem to be jealous of her in anyway ?

(02-17-2011, 01:33 AM)kitty1 Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 06:04 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 12:07 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 11:13 AM)Wish.I.was.a.P.I Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 10:34 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: This is what I heard:

I was on the phone with his gf Ls and HE ( TW says he but meant she, okay honest mistake) hung up, we all hung up, (myabe this was 3 way call?) and then he, I called jc right back I was gonna tell him that I was gonna run to the store and I would meet him at the house.. he was yellin at someone like "I'm on (she starts to say something else here)... he goes..bro who are you.. I called him right back and he didn't answer.

Ok, wait a minute....there is one thing mentioned in here that I never heard before "I would meet him at the house".....This changes alot!! If this is true, then she wasn't trying to get him out of the house so the robbery could happen/continue as thought before, this would indicate she wanted him to stay at the house which, makes no sense if she was aware that a robbery was happening or about to happen.

I'm thinking these people were already in the house when Johnny and Lisa got home. In regards to her also saying that she heard Johnny say "I'm on the"....he could have been saying "I'm on the phone with the cops" to try and scare the perps. Also, knowing there was holes punched in the walls, major ransacking in the bedroom etc, it sounds like this may have taken some time to do and could give motive as to why they killed them...if they kept saying "There is no safe" it could have simply pissed the perps off so much because they thought for sure there was a safe that they tortured them each time to get them to talk and finally just killed them. Another thing...Unknown mentioned awhile back that there was a white van (I believe) in the neighborhood days before...central security has white vans (I think)...is it possible someone they were aquanited with worked for central security?? Unknown mentioned in that same post that the wires had been cut.....someone had to know where the wires were, and have wirecutters.

I also just wanted to say that creeping through facebbok/my space/ and many other things, I am so saddened to see the lives all these kids live.

"I would meet him at the house"

She says this after she knows what has gone down, after she hear this supposed altercation. IF you believe anything TW said, that's the question. What's the truth, what's mixed with the truth...remember the best liars mix enough truth with their lies to make them SEEM believable.

Dunno if this has been addressed, as I'm the usual 10 pages behind in the thread, but when she said that about running to the store and meeting him at the house, that's a ??? for me. Did she mean, "I'm going to run to the story and meet at my house", or meet at Lisa's (IOW, she didn't need a ride any longer)?

I still find the run to the store story to be suspect. Hell, everything she says is suspect.

In regards to "I would meet him at the house" I always believed that to be the house that Tiff was staying at and not LS's. It sounds to me that she never got a chance to actually say those words or the sentence about running to the store to JC. The "arguing" started and he dropped the phone before she had a chance to. If I recall correctly she told the sheriff that she called JC back for a second time and "was gonna tell him" to wait a bit before he left because she was "running" to the store. Tiff also claims that she didn't have any transportation so she wouldn't have been able to meet him at Lisa's. She told the sheriff that she she had to wait for her friend's mom to get home so she could go check on JC & LS. I believe she had to wait for her to get home to use her car.

OK i will believe this when I hear that person who she borrowed the car from post on this forum that story...Also ....why did AJ take a lie detector test if he was at home studying....why did the Minor take the lie detector test..and why r they asking Tiff to take that test...WHY i would like to know? I mean she claims she was at home waiting for her friend's mothers car ...was the friend there also waiting for the mother or was the friend with the mother.

I'm not saying that their "way of life" didn't play a hand in this. I'm about as positive as a swab of Magic Johnson's asshole that it. My post was simply to point out how improper or careless reporting can result in so many presumptuous claims. Imagine where this thread would be if Tiffany's statements were reported from the beginning...

Sure, she may be lying.

But at least we now have two stories to work with rather than it all being "one sided" and possibly manipulated by the other.

We shall see....

(02-17-2011, 01:46 AM)AriGold Wrote: I'm not saying that their "way of life" didn't play a hand in this. I'm about as positive as a swab of Magic Johnson's asshole that it. My post was simply to point out how improper or careless reporting can result in so many presumptuous claims. Imagine where this thread would be if Tiffany's statements were reported from the beginning...

Sure, she may be lying.

But at least we now have two stories to work with rather than it all being "one sided" and possibly manipulated by the other.

We shall see....

i really didnt want to hear about majic johnson asshole swab..lol..that is just sick

(02-17-2011, 01:50 AM)doing40^thisyear Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 01:46 AM)AriGold Wrote: I'm not saying that their "way of life" didn't play a hand in this. I'm about as positive as a swab of Magic Johnson's asshole that it. My post was simply to point out how improper or careless reporting can result in so many presumptuous claims. Imagine where this thread would be if Tiffany's statements were reported from the beginning...

Sure, she may be lying.

But at least we now have two stories to work with rather than it all being "one sided" and possibly manipulated by the other.

We shall see....

i really didnt want to hear about majic johnson asshole swab..lol..that is just sick

....But it made you chuckle though.

(02-16-2011, 07:36 PM)concerned Wrote: Wow !!! Seems like Tiffany is playing the victim now!! She needs to get over herself !!!! Answer this TW "why were you waiting for a ride when obviously you had a car to get over there"?

she claims that she didn't have a car. she told the sheriff that she had to wait for her friends mom to get home so she could go check on JC and Lisa. she used her friend's mom's car.

(02-17-2011, 12:43 AM)Sean69 Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 12:20 AM)shitstorm Wrote: I'd just like to say that I don't find the way things went down that night to be all that unusual.

Tiff is talking to Johnny and he says he'll call her back. Some time passes, he doesn't, so she calls and texts, with no answer. She drives over and nothing looks amiss. She tells Sharita about it and that gets passed on to Maytee who is immediately worried. That all took two hours which is not all that long.

But that's not what she said on the 911 call. So is this what was said, "Bro, what are you doing? Tiff, I'll call you back...."?????????

Yes, that's what she said. She elaborated more, here and, I guess, to the cops. On the 911 call it was a brief account of what took place. She hasn't changed her story.

(02-17-2011, 01:33 AM)doing40^thisyear Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 01:26 AM)AriGold Wrote: All the references to these peoples' past criminal and drug use (whether relevant or not) were sparked prematurely by the way the media and news has handled this case.

Regardless of who's side you sit on here, it's important to watch the local media and news REAL close. They are lazy at best; incompetent liars at worst. They can -- and will -- intentionally misrepresent and shape their "reporting" from the right and the left to gin up interest in this "horse race".

It's just like when they raid houses for drugs. The news always mentions if there were guns found. They never say if the guns were legally owned, but it makes the accused appear guilty to the general public. If they DO find drugs, they ALWAYS show the guns sitting next to them. Subtle, but effective mind shaping.


As a result many believe that if they were dealing drugs or involved with shady people, then they deserved their fate. I fail to see the logic in that. It's the same logic - or lack thereof - that kind of suggests that a woman "had it coming" if she was dressed provocatively or some guy went to an ATM late at night in the wrong part of town. These are probably not smart moves, but they certainly don't warrant the aforementioned consequences.

I applaud Tiff for taking her time to answer (on her own accord, and at her own possible risk) questions on this forum. To me, that says a lot more than "rap-sheets" -- which are subjective and without any context -- about her involvement in this.

ok you have your opinion...I however think she was not clever to even join the forum if she didnt think that someone may not believe her..because of the past...criminal behavior...and of her boyfriend and of her husband's criminal behavior...I mean you may applaud but it speaks to me that she thinks she can get away with anything.. She didnt seem sincere to me, either. I not going to wish harm to her or anything...I DONT BELIEVE HER ...this is why the past sometime comes to haunt you....I do not have a rap sheet. I dont have anyone in my family who was gunned down because they attempted to rob someone...sometime the past bites you in the ass...

I just so disagree. We need to keep people honest and try to find the honest
people. THey may have four kids and a few smashed headlights on someone
else's dicky car, and not have their license with them, but they still may be
really nice people who will lead the city through understanding.

(02-17-2011, 01:51 AM)AriGold Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 01:50 AM)doing40^thisyear Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 01:46 AM)AriGold Wrote: I'm not saying that their "way of life" didn't play a hand in this. I'm about as positive as a swab of Magic Johnson's asshole that it. My post was simply to point out how improper or careless reporting can result in so many presumptuous claims. Imagine where this thread would be if Tiffany's statements were reported from the beginning...

Sure, she may be lying.

But at least we now have two stories to work with rather than it all being "one sided" and possibly manipulated by the other.

We shall see....

i really didnt want to hear about majic johnson asshole swab..lol..that is just sick

....But it made you chuckle though.

Yeah I needed that because tonight this forum got to me. I mean I would like to believe her but can not.

(02-17-2011, 12:45 AM)eye.of.my Wrote: She did not answer any of mine :( I have more honestly because in the 911 call from his mom she said her car was in the driveway but Tiffs response was something along the lines of she did not know if they had left or something right?

On the 911 call, Maytee said that Tiffany's car was in the driveway and that Maytee was blocking her in.

Tiffany didn't answer a few questions. It's possible she didn't see all of the posts. Dunno. I'm really curious about whoever Johnny may have ratted out.

(02-17-2011, 01:57 AM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 12:43 AM)Sean69 Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 12:20 AM)shitstorm Wrote: I'd just like to say that I don't find the way things went down that night to be all that unusual.

Tiff is talking to Johnny and he says he'll call her back. Some time passes, he doesn't, so she calls and texts, with no answer. She drives over and nothing looks amiss. She tells Sharita about it and that gets passed on to Maytee who is immediately worried. That all took two hours which is not all that long.

But that's not what she said on the 911 call. So is this what was said, "Bro, what are you doing? Tiff, I'll call you back...."?????????

Yes, that's what she said. She elaborated more, here and, I guess, to the cops. On the 911 call it was a brief account of what took place. She hasn't changed her story.

I agree completely. I think too many people are getting caught up in the semantics. The story is still the same.

I would love to know how the hell she found out then..she claims she was not at house when they were found...I would like to know how she found out? She seems like a night owl maybe she will be back on to answer that

(02-17-2011, 12:46 AM)doing40^thisyear Wrote: I am amazed she was here and how many people actually supported her...I however do not..and you know why...because for the 1^st 100 pages of this forum I have been shown her rap sheet as well as her her BF's...and well as hear about her husband and why he was murdered...(it was attempted robbery by him). ALL FULLY documentd.....FACTS. I hope their is some break in the case ...and if clears her than I will believe her at that point.

Yes, it seems that everyone surrounding this story has a rap sheet, including Maytee.

(02-17-2011, 02:02 AM)AriGold Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 01:57 AM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 12:43 AM)Sean69 Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 12:20 AM)shitstorm Wrote: I'd just like to say that I don't find the way things went down that night to be all that unusual.

Tiff is talking to Johnny and he says he'll call her back. Some time passes, he doesn't, so she calls and texts, with no answer. She drives over and nothing looks amiss. She tells Sharita about it and that gets passed on to Maytee who is immediately worried. That all took two hours which is not all that long.

But that's not what she said on the 911 call. So is this what was said, "Bro, what are you doing? Tiff, I'll call you back...."?????????

Yes, that's what she said. She elaborated more, here and, I guess, to the cops. On the 911 call it was a brief account of what took place. She hasn't changed her story.

I agree completely. I think too many people are getting caught up in the semantics. The story is still the same.

at this point..You are going to have some people who believe her and some people who dont. She had plently of time to stick to a story.

(02-17-2011, 01:36 AM)Sincere Wrote: This is my first post , and I just spent a LONG time reading the previous comments. ( Well , some of them ) and I have to honestly say , I believe TIffany. It takes alot of guts to come on here and answer questions .
I do however have a question ( that may have been asked before , and forgive me if it has ) , did JC 's mom like LS ? Or did she seem to be jealous of her in anyway ?

That is a damn good question.

(02-17-2011, 01:59 AM)doing40^thisyear Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 01:51 AM)AriGold Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 01:50 AM)doing40^thisyear Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 01:46 AM)AriGold Wrote: I'm not saying that their "way of life" didn't play a hand in this. I'm about as positive as a swab of Magic Johnson's asshole that it. My post was simply to point out how improper or careless reporting can result in so many presumptuous claims. Imagine where this thread would be if Tiffany's statements were reported from the beginning...

Sure, she may be lying.

But at least we now have two stories to work with rather than it all being "one sided" and possibly manipulated by the other.

We shall see....

i really didnt want to hear about majic johnson asshole swab..lol..that is just sick

....But it made you chuckle though.

Yeah I needed that because tonight this forum got to me. I mean I would like to believe her but can not.

I'm not sure what it is exactly that you don't believe. I think her story was consistent with the 911 calls and the "so-called facts" the media has released.

I initially wanted to believe in the mother, but the more I hear, the less I do.

We all want to believe. But, in all honesty, what we believe won't matter much in bringing a conclusion to this case.

We can only ask questions, listen to answers, and toss ideas around. Hopefully, someone (who's belief does matter) will be watching and act accordingly.

The expression "give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves" comes to mind here.

(02-17-2011, 02:05 AM)doing40^thisyear Wrote: I would love to know how the hell she found out then..she claims she was not at house when they were found...I would like to know how she found out? She seems like a night owl maybe she will be back on to answer that

This is an important detail.

I'd be willing to guess either JC's mom or dad called/texted her.

(02-17-2011, 01:54 AM)kitty1 Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 07:36 PM)concerned Wrote: Wow !!! Seems like Tiffany is playing the victim now!! She needs to get over herself !!!! Answer this TW "why were you waiting for a ride when obviously you had a car to get over there"?

she claims that she didn't have a car. she told the sheriff that she had to wait for her friends mom to get home so she could go check on JC and Lisa. she used her friend's mom's car.

Yes, she did. Then, on this forum she said she woke her friend's mother up to use the car.

(02-17-2011, 02:18 AM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 01:54 AM)kitty1 Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 07:36 PM)concerned Wrote: Wow !!! Seems like Tiffany is playing the victim now!! She needs to get over herself !!!! Answer this TW "why were you waiting for a ride when obviously you had a car to get over there"?

she claims that she didn't have a car. she told the sheriff that she had to wait for her friends mom to get home so she could go check on JC and Lisa. she used her friend's mom's car.

Yes, she did. Then, on this forum she said she woke her friend's mother up to use the car.

Maybe friend's mom came home and went to sleep immediately and she woke her up to take the car? It was late after all.....

Again, semantics.

She used the friend's mom's car. The story isn't different.