Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[kfran]

Well, COB on day 19 and still not even a "We're working on it." PR seat must be vacant. I'm losing faith here.[/i]

Yup, it's difficult isn't it- makes it feel as if it's a cold case. We're a very inpatient society. We want this shit solved & we want it done yesterday. Hurry up & wait I guess...

[Jane]

I think the killer/s may have been lying in wait, too. I'll reiterate - it was premeditated murder. First degree, not second. Not incidental to a robbery.

I think you might be right. Since "lots of people" (per Maytee) knew about the key in the garage, I think it IS possible, the perps were already in the house. Johnny & Lisa come in, she heads to change clothes, then the perps come out....BUT it seems odd they'd show themselves while JC's on the phone, don't you think ???

We don't even know if that telephone call story is true. Consider the source

Exactly!! And even if it's proven that calls were made at those times, we only have 1 person's word regarding who made them and why.

If that's the case, then that settles it. This case will never be solved ? ... cell towers for the phones will give the answer. Didn't someone state, it takes 20 minutes to drive from where ever TW was, to Lisa's parents' house? IF TW was using both phones at the same place, cell towers will show it.

[shitstorm]

I posted a comment earlier this morning, page 287 #4009. It's been quoted a few times throughout the day. A converstaion that Tiffany had the same night she was here answering questions & some of my thoughts.

I multitask all the time. I generally have about three conversations going at once. In some conversations, I'm polite. Others, not so much.

LOL I'm a Mom, multitask is my middle name My point was, that she's a 25 year old single mom of 3 with another on the way, who is on FB threatning violence to someone who reports they have brain damage. On the other hand she's on Mock playing nicey nicey & blessing people. Anyone can put on a good show & talk shit, some better than others, but it's the CONTENT of what she says on FB where I believe she's most comfortable with people she knows & her peers, that show her character. I don't believe Tiffanys story thats my opinion & I'm stickin to it

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[JsMom]

Just a thought but supposing T wasn't a good friend of JC and LS and had not talked to them till that night.I guess phone records could show that.Maybe she just jumped into the investigation as a friend but maybe there was a falling out with them and that could be motive.Oh I just was helping and was concerned for my good friends.

I was also wondering if anyone knows the real nature of the relationship between TW and JC/LS. We know that she and LS were FB 'friends', but that only tells us that they were acquainted with one another and not if they hung out. Could their relationship have been buyer/dealer, for example?

Exactly

MAYBE!!!!!!

[Jane]

I haven't seen this discussed here yet. Did Maytee ever go into the house after Johnny's dad kicked the door in? I find it hard to believe she just stayed outside.

No she stayed out in the car and used her mental telepathy to see and her powers of Psychokinesis to dial her cell phone and relate the pertinant information to 911. She also has a ventriloquism act where the dummy picks a card and she tell the audience what it is.

you're good! LOL

[onefortheroad]

Just a thought but supposing T wasn't a good friend of JC and LS and had not talked to them till that night.I guess phone records could show that.Maybe she just jumped into the investigation as a friend but maybe there was a falling out with them and that could be motive.Oh I just was helping and was concerned for my good friends.

I was also wondering if anyone knows the real nature of the relationship between TW and JC/LS. We know that she and LS were FB 'friends', but that only tells us that they were acquainted with one another and not if they hung out. Could their relationship have been buyer/dealer, for example?

Exactly

And if that's the case, then they were hardly getting together to play pool ..... unless playing pool is a euphemism for something else.

[shitstorm]

If I remember correctly, I THINK I heard Lisa'a uncle say something like as soon as Lisa gets home from work, she likes to shower and get out of her work clothes, which would make sense why they went home before going to pick up TW. If that's the case, why was she still in her work clothes when they were "walking out the door" to go pick her up? Idk why they went home, just throwing that out there.

Just a thought Maybe LS was taking her work clothes off and was ambushed then so maybe in the garage or already hiding in the house.It may make sense on JC saying who are you? what are you doing.... If he was really on the phone talking to T. I think your response to walking in on them makes more sense than opening door and they were there.If not expecting something or someone inside it would trigger a startled response.Hope this makes sense to you.

Yea. My point was only to prove that TW was lying, that they weren't walking out the door to go get her. I'm still not sure if Lisa was the one without a shirt or Johnny, cause from the 911 tapes (which everything Maytee said was questionable, I know) it sounded like she said he didn't have a shirt on.

She did say HE didn't have a shirt on. I transcribed that last 911 phone call shortly after it was released. Which is why I called bullshit on him reportedly walking out the door on the phone. It was bitterly cold that night I remember it clearly because I had class that night & when I got home I told my Mom who was babysitting for me that "It was so cold it hurt" & then I heard the news of this story the next morning.

For all we know, Johnny & Lisa never invited anyone over that night, weren't going to pick anyone up, and planned on being alone.

[onefortheroad]

I think the killer/s may have been lying in wait, too. I'll reiterate - it was premeditated murder. First degree, not second. Not incidental to a robbery.

I think you might be right. Since "lots of people" (per Maytee) knew about the key in the garage, I think it IS possible, the perps were already in the house. Johnny & Lisa come in, she heads to change clothes, then the perps come out....BUT it seems odd they'd show themselves while JC's on the phone, don't you think ???

We don't even know if that telephone call story is true. Consider the source

Exactly!! And even if it's proven that calls were made at those times, we only have 1 person's word regarding who made them and why.

If that's the case, then that settles it. This case will never be solved ? ... cell towers for the phones will give the answer. Didn't someone state, it takes 20 minutes to drive from where ever TW was, to Lisa's parents' house? IF TW was using both phones at the same place, cell towers will show it.

The perps could have been operating JC's phone.

[aileen]

Just a thought but supposing T wasn't a good friend of JC and LS and had not talked to them till that night.I guess phone records could show that.Maybe she just jumped into the investigation as a friend but maybe there was a falling out with them and that could be motive.Oh I just was helping and was concerned for my good friends.

I was also wondering if anyone knows the real nature of the relationship between TW and JC/LS. We know that she and LS were FB 'friends', but that only tells us that they were acquainted with one another and not if they hung out. Could their relationship have been buyer/dealer, for example?

Exactly

And if that's the case, then they were hardly getting together to play pool ..... unless playing pool is a euphemism for something else.

Does anyone here know if Lisa's house does indeed have a pool table???

[trixie]

Just a thought but supposing T wasn't a good friend of JC and LS and had not talked to them till that night.I guess phone records could show that.Maybe she just jumped into the investigation as a friend but maybe there was a falling out with them and that could be motive.Oh I just was helping and was concerned for my good friends.

I was also wondering if anyone knows the real nature of the relationship between TW and JC/LS. We know that she and LS were FB 'friends', but that only tells us that they were acquainted with one another and not if they hung out. Could their relationship have been buyer/dealer, for example?

Exactly

And if that's the case, then they were hardly getting together to play pool ..... unless playing pool is a euphemism for something else.

Does anyone here know if Lisa's house does indeed have a pool table???

I don't think that it's been debated here. Why would she tell everyone that story if she didn't know they had one for sure?

[onefortheroad]

Just a thought but supposing T wasn't a good friend of JC and LS and had not talked to them till that night.I guess phone records could show that.Maybe she just jumped into the investigation as a friend but maybe there was a falling out with them and that could be motive.Oh I just was helping and was concerned for my good friends.

I was also wondering if anyone knows the real nature of the relationship between TW and JC/LS. We know that she and LS were FB 'friends', but that only tells us that they were acquainted with one another and not if they hung out. Could their relationship have been buyer/dealer, for example?

Exactly

And if that's the case, then they were hardly getting together to play pool ..... unless playing pool is a euphemism for something else.

Does anyone here know if Lisa's house does indeed have a pool table???

It would be interesting to know the answer, but my guess would be yes or TW's story would have been blown out of the water at the start.

[ZEROSPHERES]

Well, COB on day 19 and still not even a "We're working on it." PR seat must be vacant. I'm losing faith here.[/i]

Yup, it's difficult isn't it- makes it feel as if it's a cold case. We're a very inpatient society. We want this shit solved & we want it done yesterday. Hurry up & wait I guess...

Yea...Whats wrong with THEM!....On every case of "Law And Order" I watch, they come to the right conclusion in just One Hour. Of course unless its a "2-parter. Then I can't sleep for a week..

[browntabby1226]

Well, COB on day 19 and still not even a "We're working on it." PR seat must be vacant. I'm losing faith here.[/i]

Yup, it's difficult isn't it- makes it feel as if it's a cold case. We're a very inpatient society. We want this shit solved & we want it done yesterday. Hurry up & wait I guess...

Yea...Whats wrong with THEM!....On every case of "Law And Order" I watch, they come to the right conclusion in just One Hour. Of course unless its a "2-parter. Then I can't sleep for a week..

[Jane]

Just a thought but supposing T wasn't a good friend of JC and LS and had not talked to them till that night.I guess phone records could show that.Maybe she just jumped into the investigation as a friend but maybe there was a falling out with them and that could be motive.Oh I just was helping and was concerned for my good friends.

I was also wondering if anyone knows the real nature of the relationship between TW and JC/LS. We know that she and LS were FB 'friends', but that only tells us that they were acquainted with one another and not if they hung out. Could their relationship have been buyer/dealer, for example?

I think that's a possibility, for sure.

[Jane]

I was also wondering if anyone knows the real nature of the relationship between TW and JC/LS. We know that she and LS were FB 'friends', but that only tells us that they were acquainted with one another and not if they hung out. Could their relationship have been buyer/dealer, for example?

Exactly

And if that's the case, then they were hardly getting together to play pool ..... unless playing pool is a euphemism for something else.

Does anyone here know if Lisa's house does indeed have a pool table???

It would be interesting to know the answer, but my guess would be yes or TW's story would have been blown out of the water at the start.

agreed!

[onefortheroad]

I was also wondering if anyone knows the real nature of the relationship between TW and JC/LS. We know that she and LS were FB 'friends', but that only tells us that they were acquainted with one another and not if they hung out. Could their relationship have been buyer/dealer, for example?

Exactly

And if that's the case, then they were hardly getting together to play pool ..... unless playing pool is a euphemism for something else.

Does anyone here know if Lisa's house does indeed have a pool table???

I don't think that it's been debated here. Why would she tell everyone that story if she didn't know they had one for sure?

She must have known they did. Didn't she say she and her friend (ZB?) had also been there a night or 2 before "playing pool". Maybe they were there for a buy and checked the place out while they were there ....

[lawheeze]

Johnny was trying to get away from his family's disfunction
and chose the lovely Lisa and her very grounded family. HE
wanted to be different. It would take alot of nurturing for this
to happen. He had Lisa who obviously was a positive person
in his growth forward.

There's evidence of drug activity in the Straub residence. How does that show Johnny trying to get away? At the very least, Lisa knew her bf was into drugs. Most likely IMO, she was doing them with him.

Lisa and Tiff became friends. Good for Tiff. Now I see
Tiff trying to break away from those that hurt her and 'her
past'. How wonderful it is to scream to the world, "I have a
new friend and she is GOOD. I deserve better in my life,
and I am trying for you little baby, and for myself."

Where do you see any evidence of that? Pregnant mothers of 3 don't usually go out to play pool at midnight on a Sunday night.

I see Tiff as being socked in the gut once more by the
horrors of life. Her new friend is dead. Now where does
she go. I wish I could tell her to keep her dreams. If you
can dream it, you can do it. Walk through the book stores
and see all the 'fuck ups' who are now writing books and
sharing their story for others to try to learn from. IT
CAN BE DONE TIFF!!!

Is writing a book Tiff's dream?

[trixie]

Exactly

And if that's the case, then they were hardly getting together to play pool ..... unless playing pool is a euphemism for something else.

Does anyone here know if Lisa's house does indeed have a pool table???

I don't think that it's been debated here. Why would she tell everyone that story if she didn't know they had one for sure?

She must have known they did. Didn't she say she and her friend (ZB?) had also been there a night or 2 before "playing pool". Maybe they were there for a buy and checked the place out while they were there ....

I agree she did. She said they were over there. I think even Maytee said JC and LS had people over a night or 2 before to play some pool.

[shitstorm]

I find it a little strange that the only thing TW said on F.B. in reference to the murder of her friends was a simple R.I.P. message that morning. How do you not at least mention that you were at the scene or on the phone with JC? I.E. The friend JC was with before he left to pick LS up mentions her shock, and that she never thought when he walked out she would never see him again.

Yes, I found that out of character for someone who is such a prolific FB chat brat. One "RIP" and nothing else. I would have expected an "OMG, my friends were murdered last night", at least. What that said to me was that she couldn't even feign emotion. She didn't give a shit.

[Jane]

I think you might be right. Since "lots of people" (per Maytee) knew about the key in the garage, I think it IS possible, the perps were already in the house. Johnny & Lisa come in, she heads to change clothes, then the perps come out....BUT it seems odd they'd show themselves while JC's on the phone, don't you think ???

We don't even know if that telephone call story is true. Consider the source

Exactly!! And even if it's proven that calls were made at those times, we only have 1 person's word regarding who made them and why.

If that's the case, then that settles it. This case will never be solved ? ... cell towers for the phones will give the answer. Didn't someone state, it takes 20 minutes to drive from where ever TW was, to Lisa's parents' house? IF TW was using both phones at the same place, cell towers will show it.

The perps could have been operating JC's phone.

I don't know. I get way off track, when I try to delve any further, lol ... There's a profiler, from FL (forgot her name now) .. she once said, usually your first gut instinct is right, for the most part, once you piece things together, as in 'if it looks like a duck, & quacks like a duck.... ' ... My very first thoughts were "drugs". JC put himself around some very bad people, & word of mouth, got him & Lisa killed. Since the digital scales were on the counter, along with pieces of white plastic, AND a zip lock bag, I immediately figured JC had come into a pound of weed. Just my first thoughts. I think someone knew he was getting dope that day, & they wanted it for resale themselves.

As far as being set up. I start getting hazy on that. I honestly believe TW's statements here, the other night, & will until something shakes that feeling.

edited to add - I think the perps got the weed