Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[PURPLECATS]

What about someone dropping the killer/killers off and staying close by to be the watch dog?
that way they didn't have to worry about someone coming in while they were there and getting caught

[onefortheroad]

I find it a little strange that the only thing TW said on F.B. in reference to the murder of her friends was a simple R.I.P. message that morning. How do you not at least mention that you were at the scene or on the phone with JC? I.E. The friend JC was with before he left to pick LS up mentions her shock, and that she never thought when he walked out she would never see him again.

Yes, I found that out of character for someone who is such a prolific FB chat brat. One "RIP" and nothing else. I would have expected an "OMG, my friends were murdered last night", at least. What that said to me was that she couldn't even feign emotion. She didn't give a shit.

I agree - only going through the motions because to say nothing at all would be a huge red flag, but no feeling behind it.

[TotallyCurious]

TotallyCurious Wrote: Johnny was trying to get away from his family's disfunction
and chose the lovely Lisa and her very grounded family. HE
wanted to be different. It would take alot of nurturing for this
to happen. He had Lisa who obviously was a positive person
in his growth forward.

There's evidence of drug activity in the Straub residence. How does that show Johnny trying to get away? At the very least, Lisa knew her bf was into drugs. Most likely IMO, she was doing them with him.

It is well known that people seldom just stop doing drugs. One of the
biggest steps is getting away from those many people who are doing
them. For this Johnny gets kuddos.

My feeling is that he might be doing some pot and he might be doing
some presc. from the notes here. But it is Not for sure he is doing
them. They are there.

Dealing? Yes, probably. My assumption here is that for some reason
his mother forced him to do one last thing for her. She is EVIL
incarnate. If there is a devil, one of them is SHE right here on earth.

Off this topic - Traveling in Calif. one can go to swanky canabis
stores and get anything one wants - varied strength - affordable.
Just dont take it across the border. I dont know where people get
it in one large American City but I can go to an apartment building
and every single door on a given floor of upscale people will have
the smoke curling out from under the doors. Going into the
impoverished areas, for 7.00 I get the high offered there - poured
from a gallon jug. Cheap juices mixed with cheaper liquor. It
is more difficult to even get pot there I hear.

[onefortheroad]

We don't even know if that telephone call story is true. Consider the source

Exactly!! And even if it's proven that calls were made at those times, we only have 1 person's word regarding who made them and why.

If that's the case, then that settles it. This case will never be solved ? ... cell towers for the phones will give the answer. Didn't someone state, it takes 20 minutes to drive from where ever TW was, to Lisa's parents' house? IF TW was using both phones at the same place, cell towers will show it.

The perps could have been operating JC's phone.

I don't know. I get way off track, when I try to delve any further, lol ... There's a profiler, from FL (forgot her name now) .. she once said, usually your first gut instinct is right, for the most part, once you piece things together, as in 'if it looks like a duck, & quacks like a duck.... ' ... My very first thoughts were "drugs". JC put himself around some very bad people, & word of mouth, got him & Lisa killed. Since the digital scales were on the counter, along with pieces of white plastic, AND a zip lock bag, I immediately figured JC had come into a pound of weed. Just my first thoughts. I think someone knew he was getting dope that day, & they wanted it for resale themselves.

As far as being set up. I start getting hazy on that. I honestly believe TW's statements here, the other night, & will until something shakes that feeling.

My gut instinct also told me drugs when I read about the murders, and the scales, etc. confirmed it in my mind.

I don't know if they were set up by TW to be murdered or maybe just to be robbed, but I do suspect that she was in on it.

[TotallyCurious]

I think it might be wise here to note that getting off drugs is not
easy and takes much determination and much time and often
times, one slips.

I am hoping Tiff is on this rehabilitative route. She has a chance
to have a nice baby and if she stays clean, she will be able to
keep it in her home with her and the baby daddy. She can begin
to start a more normal life. It will be difficult. But I think she
CAN do it. Her boyfriend is studying and what few things I read,
she knows right from wrong. If she could just get away from
Toledo Ohio with her baby and man, and both of them get jobs,
use pa for awhile until they got on their feet and I think you
would find a nice couple, walking their child to school and mowing
lawns. Please let this be.

[Jane]

What about someone dropping the killer/killers off and staying close by to be the watch dog?
that way they didn't have to worry about someone coming in while they were there and getting caught

YES! I wonder how the perps got there, too! Hard to say, since we don't know if any of the neighbors actually saw another vehicle in the drive, around 11 pm'ish. I'm sure LE has questioned close neighbors, right? I try to THINK like a gang membe, LOL, although I have no real idea how they would think, but would they actually pull up in a person's driveway, or would they have transportation sitting close by, waiting on them ?

[onefortheroad]

I think it might be wise here to note that getting off drugs is not
easy and takes much determination and much time and often
times, one slips.

I am hoping Tiff is on this rehabilitative route. She has a chance
to have a nice baby and if she stays clean, she will be able to
keep it in her home with her and the baby daddy. She can begin
to start a more normal life. It will be difficult. But I think she
CAN do it. Her boyfriend is studying and what few things I read,
she knows right from wrong. If she could just get away from
Toledo Ohio with her baby and man, and both of them get jobs,
use pa for awhile until they got on their feet and I think you
would find a nice couple, walking their child to school and mowing
lawns. Please let this be.

You forgot to mention the white picket fence.

[ZEROSPHERES]

Johnny was trying to get away from his family's disfunction
and chose the lovely Lisa and her very grounded family. HE
wanted to be different. It would take alot of nurturing for this
to happen. He had Lisa who obviously was a positive person
in his growth forward.

There's evidence of drug activity in the Straub residence. How does that show Johnny trying to get away? At the very least, Lisa knew her bf was into drugs. Most likely IMO, she was doing them with him.

Lisa and Tiff became friends. Good for Tiff. Now I see
Tiff trying to break away from those that hurt her and 'her
past'. How wonderful it is to scream to the world, "I have a
new friend and she is GOOD. I deserve better in my life,
and I am trying for you little baby, and for myself."

Where do you see any evidence of that? Pregnant mothers of 3 don't usually go out to play pool at midnight on a Sunday night.

I see Tiff as being socked in the gut once more by the
horrors of life. Her new friend is dead. Now where does
she go. I wish I could tell her to keep her dreams. If you
can dream it, you can do it. Walk through the book stores
and see all the 'fuck ups' who are now writing books and
sharing their story for others to try to learn from. IT
CAN BE DONE TIFF!!!

Is writing a book Tiff's dream?

OMG!!...I see what U mean....The last person I can think of who tried to better themselves so selflessly was Belle Watling, in Gone with the Wind

[Jane]

TotallyCurious Wrote: Johnny was trying to get away from his family's disfunction
and chose the lovely Lisa and her very grounded family. HE
wanted to be different. It would take alot of nurturing for this
to happen. He had Lisa who obviously was a positive person
in his growth forward.

There's evidence of drug activity in the Straub residence. How does that show Johnny trying to get away? At the very least, Lisa knew her bf was into drugs. Most likely IMO, she was doing them with him.

It is well known that people seldom just stop doing drugs. One of the
biggest steps is getting away from those many people who are doing
them. For this Johnny gets kuddos.

My feeling is that he might be doing some pot and he might be doing
some presc. from the notes here. But it is Not for sure he is doing
them. They are there.

Dealing? Yes, probably. My assumption here is that for some reason
his mother forced him to do one last thing for her. She is EVIL
incarnate. If there is a devil, one of them is SHE right here on earth.

Off this topic - Traveling in Calif. one can go to swanky canabis
stores and get anything one wants - varied strength - affordable.
Just dont take it across the border. I dont know where people get
it in one large American City but I can go to an apartment building
and every single door on a given floor of upscale people will have
the smoke curling out from under the doors. Going into the
impoverished areas, for 7.00 I get the high offered there - poured
from a gallon jug. Cheap juices mixed with cheaper liquor. It
is more difficult to even get pot there I hear.

TC - is all of the above, your comments? I'm confused

[shitstorm]

I multitask all the time. I generally have about three conversations going at once. In some conversations, I'm polite. Others, not so much.

ok, this is another reason I find it hard to believe TW's involved. She's going on about life, as usual. She's not crying on FB, over-doing the 'sad person' stuff. I can't word, properly, what I mean, ugh..

I think carrying on as if nothing happened makes her look guilty, especially coming so soon after 2 of her friends that she says she'd spent the previous evening with were savagely murdered such a short time before she says they were going to get together!

could be, but it comes across to me, like she's not worried about anything. Hell, I don't know!

I agree that she doesn't seem worried, but IMO her lack of concern is down to hardness and not to innocence. This is a person who lost one of her baby daddies to murder and then moves on to one of his criminal associates, so it would take a lot to rattle her.

Very much agree. These are gang members we're talking about. People who take extreme violence in stride - and also commit it. Now, when it's one of their homies they don't want killed, there's a display like the one they had for Donald.

[TotallyCurious]

Johnny was trying to get away from his family's disfunction
and chose the lovely Lisa and her very grounded family. HE
wanted to be different. It would take alot of nurturing for this
to happen. He had Lisa who obviously was a positive person
in his growth forward.

There's evidence of drug activity in the Straub residence. How does that show Johnny trying to get away? At the very least, Lisa knew her bf was into drugs. Most likely IMO, she was doing them with him.

Lisa and Tiff became friends. Good for Tiff. Now I see
Tiff trying to break away from those that hurt her and 'her
past'. How wonderful it is to scream to the world, "I have a
new friend and she is GOOD. I deserve better in my life,
and I am trying for you little baby, and for myself."

Where do you see any evidence of that? Pregnant mothers of 3 don't usually go out to play pool at midnight on a Sunday night.

I see Tiff as being socked in the gut once more by the
horrors of life. Her new friend is dead. Now where does
she go. I wish I could tell her to keep her dreams. If you
can dream it, you can do it. Walk through the book stores
and see all the 'fuck ups' who are now writing books and
sharing their story for others to try to learn from. IT
CAN BE DONE TIFF!!!

Is writing a book Tiff's dream?

Good POINT. Touche.

WHATEVER TIFF'S DREAM, I DREAM IT WITH HER. No one at her
age dreams of being on the outskirts of danger and the tawdry.
Look at her photos at the beach with her family. She is so happy.
This is what she should be working for - a nice life where she can
take a couple days off and be with her loved ones.

IF anyone who knows Tiff reads this, PLEASE tell her to empower
her SELF. Do not expect a man to do this for you. Go to a
Woman's Support Group or a Shelter and find a counselor who
knows the area and knows the possibilities out there for you.
I see a real accomplished woman in you. Do it for your self first.
Your babies second. Your (RIP) former boyfriend. But do it.
Many women have been where you are and have pulled up
from it - from athletes to the poorest of the poor. Remember
the author of Harry Potter was once living on the street. As
was one of the American Idol Stars. I am not suggeting you need
to be famous, but find a way to have a secure home life,
friends who will have drug free picnics and outings, and who will
support you as you learn what a nice and talented person you are.

[ZEROSPHERES]

What about someone dropping the killer/killers off and staying close by to be the watch dog?
that way they didn't have to worry about someone coming in while they were there and getting caught

Jesus!! Never gave that one a thought.....Lets call it the DogWalkers.co"n" theory

http://www.dogwalkers.com/

[trixie]

Johnny was trying to get away from his family's disfunction
and chose the lovely Lisa and her very grounded family. HE
wanted to be different. It would take alot of nurturing for this
to happen. He had Lisa who obviously was a positive person
in his growth forward.

There's evidence of drug activity in the Straub residence. How does that show Johnny trying to get away? At the very least, Lisa knew her bf was into drugs. Most likely IMO, she was doing them with him.

Lisa and Tiff became friends. Good for Tiff. Now I see
Tiff trying to break away from those that hurt her and 'her
past'. How wonderful it is to scream to the world, "I have a
new friend and she is GOOD. I deserve better in my life,
and I am trying for you little baby, and for myself."

Where do you see any evidence of that? Pregnant mothers of 3 don't usually go out to play pool at midnight on a Sunday night.

I see Tiff as being socked in the gut once more by the
horrors of life. Her new friend is dead. Now where does
she go. I wish I could tell her to keep her dreams. If you
can dream it, you can do it. Walk through the book stores
and see all the 'fuck ups' who are now writing books and
sharing their story for others to try to learn from. IT
CAN BE DONE TIFF!!!

Is writing a book Tiff's dream?

Good POINT. Touche.

WHATEVER TIFF'S DREAM, I DREAM IT WITH HER. No one at her
age dreams of being on the outskirts of danger and the tawdry.
Look at her photos at the beach with her family. She is so happy.
This is what she should be working for - a nice life where she can
take a couple days off and be with her loved ones.

IF anyone who knows Tiff reads this, PLEASE tell her to empower
her SELF. Do not expect a man to do this for you. Go to a
Woman's Support Group or a Shelter and find a counselor who
knows the area and knows the possibilities out there for you.
I see a real accomplished woman in you. Do it for your self first.
Your babies second. Your (RIP) former boyfriend. But do it.
Many women have been where you are and have pulled up
from it - from athletes to the poorest of the poor. Remember
the author of Harry Potter was once living on the street. As
was one of the American Idol Stars. I am not suggeting you need
to be famous, but find a way to have a secure home life,
friends who will have drug free picnics and outings, and who will
support you as you learn what a nice and talented person you are.

..................

[onefortheroad]

Johnny was trying to get away from his family's disfunction
and chose the lovely Lisa and her very grounded family. HE
wanted to be different. It would take alot of nurturing for this
to happen. He had Lisa who obviously was a positive person
in his growth forward.

There's evidence of drug activity in the Straub residence. How does that show Johnny trying to get away? At the very least, Lisa knew her bf was into drugs. Most likely IMO, she was doing them with him.

Lisa and Tiff became friends. Good for Tiff. Now I see
Tiff trying to break away from those that hurt her and 'her
past'. How wonderful it is to scream to the world, "I have a
new friend and she is GOOD. I deserve better in my life,
and I am trying for you little baby, and for myself."

Where do you see any evidence of that? Pregnant mothers of 3 don't usually go out to play pool at midnight on a Sunday night.

I see Tiff as being socked in the gut once more by the
horrors of life. Her new friend is dead. Now where does
she go. I wish I could tell her to keep her dreams. If you
can dream it, you can do it. Walk through the book stores
and see all the 'fuck ups' who are now writing books and
sharing their story for others to try to learn from. IT
CAN BE DONE TIFF!!!

Is writing a book Tiff's dream?

Good POINT. Touche.

WHATEVER TIFF'S DREAM, I DREAM IT WITH HER. No one at her
age dreams of being on the outskirts of danger and the tawdry.
Look at her photos at the beach with her family. She is so happy.
This is what she should be working for - a nice life where she can
take a couple days off and be with her loved ones.

IF anyone who knows Tiff reads this, PLEASE tell her to empower
her SELF. Do not expect a man to do this for you. Go to a
Woman's Support Group or a Shelter and find a counselor who
knows the area and knows the possibilities out there for you.
I see a real accomplished woman in you. Do it for your self first.
Your babies second. Your (RIP) former boyfriend. But do it.
Many women have been where you are and have pulled up
from it - from athletes to the poorest of the poor. Remember
the author of Harry Potter was once living on the street. As
was one of the American Idol Stars. I am not suggeting you need
to be famous, but find a way to have a secure home life,
friends who will have drug free picnics and outings, and who will
support you as you learn what a nice and talented person you are.

..................

+1

[TotallyCurious]

TotallyCurious Wrote: Johnny was trying to get away from his family's disfunction
and chose the lovely Lisa and her very grounded family. HE
wanted to be different. It would take alot of nurturing for this
to happen. He had Lisa who obviously was a positive person
in his growth forward.

There's evidence of drug activity in the Straub residence. How does that show Johnny trying to get away? At the very least, Lisa knew her bf was into drugs. Most likely IMO, she was doing them with him.

It is well known that people seldom just stop doing drugs. One of the
biggest steps is getting away from those many people who are doing
them. For this Johnny gets kuddos.

My feeling is that he might be doing some pot and he might be doing
some presc. from the notes here. But it is Not for sure he is doing
them. They are there.

Dealing? Yes, probably. My assumption here is that for some reason
his mother forced him to do one last thing for her. She is EVIL
incarnate. If there is a devil, one of them is SHE right here on earth.

Off this topic - Traveling in Calif. one can go to swanky canabis
stores and get anything one wants - varied strength - affordable.
Just dont take it across the border. I dont know where people get
it in one large American City but I can go to an apartment building
and every single door on a given floor of upscale people will have
the smoke curling out from under the doors. Going into the
impoverished areas, for 7.00 I get the high offered there - poured
from a gallon jug. Cheap juices mixed with cheaper liquor. It
is more difficult to even get pot there I hear.

TC - is all of the above, your comments? I'm confused

The following got stuck in mine for some reason.

There's evidence of drug activity in the Straub residence. How does that show Johnny trying to get away? At the very least, Lisa knew her bf was into drugs. Most likely IMO, she was doing them with him.

[HollandHound]

#4285 no chance in hell. Sorry to burst your bubble.

[TotallyCurious]

ok, this is another reason I find it hard to believe TW's involved. She's going on about life, as usual. She's not crying on FB, over-doing the 'sad person' stuff. I can't word, properly, what I mean, ugh..

I think carrying on as if nothing happened makes her look guilty, especially coming so soon after 2 of her friends that she says she'd spent the previous evening with were savagely murdered such a short time before she says they were going to get together!

could be, but it comes across to me, like she's not worried about anything. Hell, I don't know!

I agree that she doesn't seem worried, but IMO her lack of concern is down to hardness and not to innocence. This is a person who lost one of her baby daddies to murder and then moves on to one of his criminal associates, so it would take a lot to rattle her.

Very much agree. These are gang members we're talking about. People who take extreme violence in stride - and also commit it. Now, when it's one of their homies they don't want killed, there's a display like the one they had for Donald.

TIFF has to be in some sort of Post Traumatic Syndrome multiplied by X.
She has had a lot of trauma over the last ten months. People's psyche's
are truly affected by such trauma.

[browntabby1226]

TotallyCurious Wrote: Johnny was trying to get away from his family's disfunction
and chose the lovely Lisa and her very grounded family. HE
wanted to be different. It would take alot of nurturing for this
to happen. He had Lisa who obviously was a positive person
in his growth forward.

There's evidence of drug activity in the Straub residence. How does that show Johnny trying to get away? At the very least, Lisa knew her bf was into drugs. Most likely IMO, she was doing them with him.

It is well known that people seldom just stop doing drugs. One of the
biggest steps is getting away from those many people who are doing
them. For this Johnny gets kuddos.

My feeling is that he might be doing some pot and he might be doing
some presc. from the notes here. But it is Not for sure he is doing
them. They are there.

Dealing? Yes, probably. My assumption here is that for some reason
his mother forced him to do one last thing for her. She is EVIL
incarnate. If there is a devil, one of them is SHE right here on earth.

Off this topic - Traveling in Calif. one can go to swanky canabis
stores and get anything one wants - varied strength - affordable.
Just dont take it across the border. I dont know where people get
it in one large American City but I can go to an apartment building
and every single door on a given floor of upscale people will have
the smoke curling out from under the doors. Going into the
impoverished areas, for 7.00 I get the high offered there - poured
from a gallon jug. Cheap juices mixed with cheaper liquor. It
is more difficult to even get pot there I hear.

TC - is all of the above, your comments? I'm confused

The following got stuck in mine for some reason.

There's evidence of drug activity in the Straub residence. How does that show Johnny trying to get away? At the very least, Lisa knew her bf was into drugs. Most likely IMO, she was doing them with him.

Supposing getting out of dealing is like getting out of the mob maybe scales were there to look like they were dealing but the point was you can't just walk away.I wonder if there is a point being made with the manner of death.This is assuming they were changing there lives.I'm trying to look at all angles.

[dontbedumb]

Hello Everyone,
Thanks for having me at Mock

[ZEROSPHERES]

Johnny was trying to get away from his family's disfunction
and chose the lovely Lisa and her very grounded family. HE
wanted to be different. It would take alot of nurturing for this
to happen. He had Lisa who obviously was a positive person
in his growth forward.

There's evidence of drug activity in the Straub residence. How does that show Johnny trying to get away? At the very least, Lisa knew her bf was into drugs. Most likely IMO, she was doing them with him.

Lisa and Tiff became friends. Good for Tiff. Now I see
Tiff trying to break away from those that hurt her and 'her
past'. How wonderful it is to scream to the world, "I have a
new friend and she is GOOD. I deserve better in my life,
and I am trying for you little baby, and for myself."

Where do you see any evidence of that? Pregnant mothers of 3 don't usually go out to play pool at midnight on a Sunday night.

I see Tiff as being socked in the gut once more by the
horrors of life. Her new friend is dead. Now where does
she go. I wish I could tell her to keep her dreams. If you
can dream it, you can do it. Walk through the book stores
and see all the 'fuck ups' who are now writing books and
sharing their story for others to try to learn from. IT
CAN BE DONE TIFF!!!

Is writing a book Tiff's dream?

Good POINT. Touche.

WHATEVER TIFF'S DREAM, I DREAM IT WITH HER. No one at her
age dreams of being on the outskirts of danger and the tawdry.
Look at her photos at the beach with her family. She is so happy.
This is what she should be working for - a nice life where she can
take a couple days off and be with her loved ones.

IF anyone who knows Tiff reads this, PLEASE tell her to empower
her SELF. Do not expect a man to do this for you. Go to a
Woman's Support Group or a Shelter and find a counselor who
knows the area and knows the possibilities out there for you.
I see a real accomplished woman in you. Do it for your self first.
Your babies second. Your (RIP) former boyfriend. But do it.
Many women have been where you are and have pulled up
from it - from athletes to the poorest of the poor. Remember
the author of Harry Potter was once living on the street. As
was one of the American Idol Stars. I am not suggeting you need
to be famous, but find a way to have a secure home life,
friends who will have drug free picnics and outings, and who will
support you as you learn what a nice and talented person you are.

..................

+1

Lets take the reward money and instead build a mounument to her..call it.."Our Sister of Perpetual Forensics" She could be blindfolded like the "statue of Justice" but instead of of holding the "scales of justice" she could be holding the one taken from the Straubs kitchen.