Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[aileen]

I was just thinking, in regards to the duct tape: I wonder if companies keep track of skew numbers when packaging products to be delivered to store/companies? So say, a dozen rolls of duct tape with skew #'s 99963-99975 were delivered to Menards on 10/24/10??? Then contact the store with date of delivery and have them pull up records with that info??? Of course, I would like to think that LE has thought of this to help narrow down their search! I would assume the roll they found at the scene would have the skew # and Product Brand.
I may just be grabbing at straws here but most of these 800+ pages have been a lot of the same...BUT WE ALL HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS!!!

[JsMom]

In regards to Lisa possibly being sexually assaulted, I'm a little confused. I thought that Lisa's uncle said in a previous article/interview that she was still in her work uniform? If this is the case, then how was she assaulted? Did they put her clothes back on? I understand that this is all hearsay but it's been discussed more than once so it appears one of these scenarios just simply can't be correct.

According to another local mock member the DNA came back and it was only Lisa's DNA and it was blood not semen!

I want to be clear that I never said it was blood.

o on i thought u said it was blood not semen! sorry

[DickTracy]

I was told ....Lisa's shirt was off, but she was not sexually assaulted. The person who told me, is a relative of Lisa's. I don't think this person is lying, but there has been so many conflicting stories. I agree with LC, we won't find out the truth until there is a trial.

That's interesting, I hadn't heard that before & I hope that is the true version of things. Thanks for sharing Dick

I believe I discussed this hundreds of pages ago. The info will not come out until the trial. I would appreciate if I got no more PM's asking if she was raped, or tortured. I will not be revealing any very personal info. I apologize. I know you are all anxious to know.

Good 4 U!! Everything has been discuss numerous times! The comment that I made in bold is something I was told a few days ago.

It is rude of people to keep sending pm to find out info. People need to lay off and respect what kitty has politely asked of all of us. Geezzzzzzzz

[JsMom]

I just wanted to add, since I haven't read it yet on this thread, has anyone noticed Lisa's new "badge" on myspace? If Tiffany is telling the truth, which everyone doubts, she was on the phone with Johnny around 11 pm 1/30. So, if she heard a commotion at that time, how did Lisa earn a profile searching badge on 1/31? I have to admit, I am not very familiar with myspace, so I am not sure if it posts automatically or not. But still, someone should have seen that.

http://www.myspace.com/_lisababii_

OMG! GOOD ONE! ILL BE DAMNED! GOOD EYE! I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYONE BRING THAT UP! SO NOW IM REALLY QUESTIONING THE TIMELINE! ALSO ARE U SURE THAT WAS IN 2011??

[pfifltrigg]

no offense jsmom, but could you please lay off the exclamation points. they kind of lose their power when they end every single sentence that you post.

[JsMom]

no offense jsmom, but could you please lay off the exclamation points. they kind of lose their power when they end every single sentence that you post.

my bad no offense taken

[WolfHouse]

I began rereading the forum and got about half way through. All
I can say is that I am totally confused as to the facts now. I have
read blood, no blood, Lisa's blood, others' blood, others' DNA,
only Lisa's DNA, lots of blood, only a puddle of blood, House
disturbed, house trashed, etc. etc. etc. Since I do not know who
are the most credible posters, it has been difficult to sort out what
is the closest truth from mere speculation. Is there a way people
in the know could make a list of the actual things we think are
probably true?

(Disallowing all the nonsense from the Holland meeting.)
He could have been posturing or he could have simply been telling
what he knows. That is certainly a topic for a different post.

[curious]

I began rereading the forum and got about half way through. All
I can say is that I am totally confused as to the facts now. I have
read blood, no blood, Lisa's blood, others' blood, others' DNA,
only Lisa's DNA, lots of blood, only a puddle of blood, House
disturbed, house trashed, etc. etc. etc. Since I do not know who
are the most credible posters, it has been difficult to sort out what
is the closest truth from mere speculation. Is there a way people
in the know could make a list of the actual things we think are
probably true?

(Disallowing all the nonsense from the Holland meeting.)
He could have been posturing or he could have simply been telling
what he knows. That is certainly a topic for a different post.

Links and Facts Only

http://mockforums.net/thread-4892.html

[heartbreaker6713]

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2...puted.html

Two weeks after a Lucas County sheriff's sergeant told Springfield Township trustees the Jan. 31 slayings of a young couple were a professional hit and not a random robbery, a family member of one of the victims is presenting the family's side of the story.

James Verbosky, spokesman for the family of homicide victim Lisa Straub, said Sgt. James Schiavone made a number of comments at the trustees' Feb. 21 meeting that were speculative or inaccurate. Among them, Sergeant Schiavone said the deaths of Miss Straub, 20, and her boyfriend, Johnny S. Clarke, 21, were "professional" hits, that both victims had "serious drug problems, gang connections, and everything else," and that he would be surprised if those responsible for the slayings were ever arrested.

"It's just irresponsible," Mr. Verbosky said. "His comments were so misleading. For somebody with 30 years of service, he should know he shouldn't be up there speculating. Everybody's speculating right now."

The young couple were found in the Longacre Lane home of Miss Straub's parents with plastic bags over their heads and their hands bound with duct tape.

Parts of the house had been ransacked, causing investigators to suspect the killers were looking for something.

Monday, the Lucas County Sheriff's Office said in a news release the homicide investigation was continuing although no arrests have been made. "As of this date, the investigation leads officers to believe this was not a random act of violence," the release stated. "We believe that these individuals were targeted.

"The motive for this crime is unknown at this time. We also do not believe that this was a 'professional hit.' "

The latter statement appears to refer to the comment Sergeant Schiavone made to township trustees, although investigators with the sheriff's office did not return phone calls seeking comment Monday.

Mr. Verbosky addressed Springfield Township trustees at their regular meeting Monday night, asking them to strike from the public record the comments Sergeant Schiavone's made at their Feb. 21 meeting.

Mr. Verbosky said the trustees agreed to attach his rebuttal to the record of last month's meeting so his concerns would be part of the document should a public-records request be made.

"We felt it was necessary to correct the record," he said afterward.

Township Administrator Leslie Kohli said the township could not legally delete the comments from a recording of the meeting, although the statements made by Sergeant Schiavone that offended the Straub family would not be included in the written minutes of the meeting.

"I don't think Sergeant Schiavone meant to be derogatory toward the kids. I just think he wasn't necessarily thinking about how what he said sounded," Ms. Kohli said.

She said Sergeant Schiavone, who recently retired, was assigned to Springfield Township by the sheriff's office and typically gave the trustees monthly reports about area crime and enforcement activity.

Mr. Verbosky said Ms. Straub's parents, Jeff and MaryBeth Straub, were upset by the comments, which were reported in the Holland-Springfield Journal. The sergeant told trustees that Ms. Straub had been arrested five times, including four times for "drug-related charges" -- a statement Mr. Verbosky said isn't true. "She had a DUI when she was 18, and she had a criminal mischief when she was under 18," Mr. Verbosky, her uncle, said.

He said her family had no reason to believe Ms. Straub had "gang connections." Her parents, who were on a Caribbean cruise when their daughter was killed, would never have left if they felt her life was in danger, Mr. Verbosky said.

He said a reward fund started by the Straub family at Fifth Third Bank branches has grown to $17,000. He said they plan to "cap" it at $20,000, adding that he thinks it can help solve the case.

"It's pretty much what Crime Stoppers is all about. Money talks, and times are tough right now," he said. "If somebody knows something we certainly would like for them to speak up."

Recently, electronic billboards seeking assistance in finding the killers have been placed throughout the area by the FBI and Lamar Advertising. Anyone with information on the case is asked to call the sheriff's office at 419-213-4917 or the Crime Stopper hot line, 419-555-1212.

[notsure]

KFran: it appears they did not leave their DNA all over the crime scene.


we don't know that for a fact. i believe there IS DNA evidence.

Also, depending on the origin of the duct tape, there may be several DNA donors -- not all of which may belong to the killers.

they got it at a garage sale in south philly back in 1999? We can't point is we can't subpoena walmart's security videos to check it out. Or go to the evidence room and look at the brand of tape. Sorry, for being a dick but I've ran out of coffee

[heartbreaker6713]

That's an article that came out yesterday stating that they also mispoke about lisa's previous record too.

[ZEROSPHERES]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...le-8000379

In this video where LS uncle is interviewed,
He says:

"If we had any indication Lisa was in any grave danger...{pause, discomfort, hard swallow} , we certainly would have done something..."

Wish I had Tanya Ryhmen Body Language Interpreter telling me what she was seeing.

[kitty1]

This specific thread DOES exist!!!!

[WolfHouse]

[/quote]

they got it at a garage sale in south philly back in 1999? We can't point is we can't subpoena walmart's security videos to check it out. Or go to the evidence room and look at the brand of tape. Sorry, for being a dick but I've ran out of coffee
[/quote]

That is a million dollar question. They could have gotten it from Johnny's
house or in FLorida or Detroit or Columbus. Unless there are finger
prints which I doubt, the duck tape, is moot. IMHO

[ZEROSPHERES]

That is a million dollar question. They could have gotten it from Johnny's
house or in FLorida or Detroit or Columbus. Unless there are finger
prints which I doubt, the duck tape, is moot. IMHO

I disagree... The Duct Tape is vital to the investigation. Not because of where it was obtained as much as what it may have stuck to it and what that will reveal. Where it was purchased would be significant but appears impossible to uncover.

[onefortheroad]

I found ZEBRA striped duct tape at Walmart. I'm wallpapering my bathroom with it LOL I'll post pictures when I'm done (you can't even tell it's tape). Obviously duct tape doesn't give me the heevey geevies.... but I do look at it a little differently now.

Glad to hear you are not afraid of duct tape LOL ZEBRA everything is hot right now. Good for you!

Thanks! It was my daughters choice, she wanted a Zebra bathroom & I wasn't willing to commit to wall paper or paint. Surprisingly the tape works & doesn't look like shit

Lucky girl, bet there aren't too many kids can say their mom's given them a zebra bathroom! And can't wait to see the pictures!

[NightOwl]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...le-8000379

In this video where LS uncle is interviewed,
He says:

"If we had any indication Lisa was in any grave danger...{pause, discomfort, hard swallow} , we certainly would have done something..."

Wish I had Tanya Ryhmen Body Language Interpreter telling me what she was seeing.

Tanya Ryhmen excellent idea Zero.

[Duchess]

You guys could pick apart a grain of sand.

I don't say that meanly.

[kfran]

In regards to Lisa possibly being sexually assaulted, I'm a little confused. I thought that Lisa's uncle said in a previous article/interview that she was still in her work uniform? If this is the case, then how was she assaulted? Did they put her clothes back on? I understand that this is all hearsay but it's been discussed more than once so it appears one of these scenarios just simply can't be correct.

According to another local mock member the DNA came back and it was only Lisa's DNA and it was blood not semen!

I want to be clear that I never said it was blood.

I'm hoping Lisa was able to claw the fuck out of one of the perps & the DNA was under her fingernails.

BTW, Cute avatar kitty

[Adub]

In regards to Lisa possibly being sexually assaulted, I'm a little confused. I thought that Lisa's uncle said in a previous article/interview that she was still in her work uniform? If this is the case, then how was she assaulted? Did they put her clothes back on? I understand that this is all hearsay but it's been discussed more than once so it appears one of these scenarios just simply can't be correct.

According to another local mock member the DNA came back and it was only Lisa's DNA and it was blood not semen!

I want to be clear that I never said it was blood.

I'm hoping Lisa was able to claw the fuck out of one of the perps & the DNA was under her fingernails.

BTW, Cute avatar kitty

I am with you there, all the way. And if it is unknown DNA right now, so be it. At least it is a start. Maybe finger print evidence can tie in with the unknown DNA and get the ball rolling.