Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Lady Cop]

The news on it recently states that it appeared someone was searching for something in the house. Sounds as if they were looking for something in particular, which would indicate knowledge of the familys possessions...Did any of the news mention a Craigslist ad or anything?

i will stick my neck out and say this will be shown to be about drugs. no, no ads mentioned anywhere.

[RarePenguin]

Ya know parents should be legally allowed to lock their children in there rooms and chain them to there beds if they do drugs.. and some of the parents need to be also... what a waste of a mind.

[shitstorm]

shitstorm, are you ignoring my PM i sent hours ago? if so, you will be severely punished. i will take away your decoder ring.

Woops, lol! Didn't notice. I'll go look.

Meanwhile I found this:

nothingnumb said:

what the media fails to inform anyone is that johnny was into serious shit gangs, drugs, and weapons. lisa first met him when he was right out of jail for armed robbery, i feel guilty talking down about the deceased but johnny took my friend lisa down because of the bullshit he was involved with. everyone continues to try and make him out to be a kid with his shit together it wasnt he continually bragged to people about all the people he would rob. she didnt deserve to be prematurely taken from this earth tortured and left to die in her parents kitchen and nor did johnny but i am sick to my stomach with disgust over this picture being painted of him being a saint he wasnt and i can bet my life on the fact that he WAS the reason this happened. i wish we could have been stronger to tell her to stay away but she loved him and as a friend i respected that and i know many others did too. people responsible need to be apprehended immediately because what they did deserves the same that they gave my friend they need to leave this earth by captial punishment and im terrified that somehow they will slip through the cracks. i love you lisa rest peacefully my little angel.
Posted 02/02/2011 at 05:00:35 PM

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2011/02/j...aub_fo.php

[Lady Cop]

friendly reminder since i have not had time lately to post a rules sticky. please all new people, read post #149 in page 11.
thanks!

[Lady Cop]

shitstorm, are you ignoring my PM i sent hours ago? if so, you will be severely punished. i will take away your decoder ring.

Woops, lol! Didn't notice. I'll go look.

Meanwhile I found this:

nothingnumb said:

what the media fails to inform anyone is that johnny was into serious shit gangs, drugs, and weapons. lisa first met him when he was right out of jail for armed robbery, i feel guilty talking down about the deceased but johnny took my friend lisa down because of the bullshit he was involved with. everyone continues to try and make him out to be a kid with his shit together it wasnt he continually bragged to people about all the people he would rob. she didnt deserve to be prematurely taken from this earth tortured and left to die in her parents kitchen and nor did johnny but i am sick to my stomach with disgust over this picture being painted of him being a saint he wasnt and i can bet my life on the fact that he WAS the reason this happened. i wish we could have been stronger to tell her to stay away but she loved him and as a friend i respected that and i know many others did too. people responsible need to be apprehended immediately because what they did deserves the same that they gave my friend they need to leave this earth by captial punishment and im terrified that somehow they will slip through the cracks. i love you lisa rest peacefully my little angel.
Posted 02/02/2011 at 05:00:35 PM

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2011/02/j...aub_fo.php

that is what i mean by unsubstantiated rumor.

[MzFruit]

The update the local news just gave was that when asked if anything was missing the would not disclose that information.

[Winter]

I too feel that T is involved in this horrific crime. The phone calls T made to Johnny are suspicious. It almost seems that perhaps the call she made to Johnny and he stated he was on his way, was some sort of signal. For I think she knew the perpetraters was in wait in the open garage. It's also suspicious that T took two hours before she called a friend, who in turn was civil enough to call Johnny's Mother. T also said that she went over to the house after being concerned and could see all the lights on, and the Cabinets ranshacked. This would indicate that T was in the house, how eles would she have noted the cabinets? T is either involved directly, or indirectly. The cell phone records will tell the story. It isn't unusual for those involved to interject themselves after the crime, and act concerned. It's often more of thrill to them knowing they had a hand in the investigation.

[MzFruit]

My take on it? The "drug theory" is correct in saying that the white baggie pieces etc were found, however; I dont think these kids were "supposed" to die and thats what induced the panick of the phone call to the mother 2 hours later. I think that it was a set up gone wrong. JMO!

[Lady Cop]

Welcome Winter! thanks for joining..i LIKE winter!

correct me someone if i am wrong, i am quite tired. been here for many hours. wasn't it Tiffany, and not a friend of Tiffany who called Johnny's mother?

[MzFruit]

Im sure that after it went wrong she began thinking about that damn call log they would find and her thinking of covering her ass kicked in!

[RJs-Ex]

I assume the murderers' intent was primarily to steal the drug stash and the murders were secondary to that. Maybe the reason they weren't shot is because they were trying to get them to tell them where the stash was hidden? Also, I wonder if they'll be able to determine who died first? Lastly, did the killers ever find the stash? Or is it still in the house somewhere? Or did LE find it during their search?

These questions are all based on my assumption that drugs were involved. I could be completely off-base.

[MzFruit]

Welcome Winter! thanks for joining..i LIKE winter!

correct me someone if i am wrong, i am quite tired. been here for many hours. wasn't it Tiffany, and not a friend of Tiffany who called Johnny's mother?

According to the released information, Tiffany went by the house PRIOR to telling or calling anyone, then phoned a friend who called the Mother of Johnny.

[Winter]

Thanks Lady Cop, Nice forum here. My heart goes out to all Lisa, and Johnny family and friends. No one deserves to die such a brutal death as this. These kids had their whole life in front of them. In this situation to the perpetrators, I conceive an eye for an eye.

[Jane]

The news on it recently states that it appeared someone was searching for something in the house. Sounds as if they were looking for something in particular, which would indicate knowledge of the familys possessions...Did any of the news mention a Craigslist ad or anything?

i will stick my neck out and say this will be shown to be about drugs. no, no ads mentioned anywhere.

I think it's definately related to drugs, one way or the other. Hi, I'm new

[MzFruit]

I assume the murderers' intent was primarily to steal the drug stash and the murders were secondary to that. Maybe the reason they weren't shot is because they were trying to get them to tell them where the stash was hidden? Also, I wonder if they'll be able to determine who died first? Lastly, did the killers ever find the stash? Or is it still in the house somewhere? Or did LE find it during their search?

These questions are all based on my assumption that drugs were involved. I could be completely off-base.

My hunch exactly! I feel like "maybe" T was going through with what she thought was a "stick up" operation but it didnt exactly go as planned. She says she went by the house and rang the doorbell 4x's, if the phone call was SO ALARMING why would she have went there alone with the thought of something being wrong?**and if the friend (t)is the friend on Lisa's fb .. she is pregnant. So even more reason to NOT put myself or my unborn child into dangers way!

[Jane]

I assume the murderers' intent was primarily to steal the drug stash and the murders were secondary to that. Maybe the reason they weren't shot is because they were trying to get them to tell them where the stash was hidden? Also, I wonder if they'll be able to determine who died first? Lastly, did the killers ever find the stash? Or is it still in the house somewhere? Or did LE find it during their search?

These questions are all based on my assumption that drugs were involved. I could be completely off-base.

my personal opinion, I think the killer/killers found what they were looking for. Something about the zip lock bag, bugs me. I picture one of those large freezer-type zip lock bags. Not sure why I assume it was empty, because it wasn't stated it was, just that "a zip lock bag" was found, along with a digital scale, on the kitchen counter.

[shitstorm]

I too feel that T is involved in this horrific crime. The phone calls T made to Johnny are suspicious. It almost seems that perhaps the call she made to Johnny and he stated he was on his way, was some sort of signal. For I think she knew the perpetraters was in wait in the open garage. It's also suspicious that T took two hours before she called a friend, who in turn was civil enough to call Johnny's Mother. T also said that she went over to the house after being concerned and could see all the lights on, and the Cabinets ranshacked. This would indicate that T was in the house, how eles would she have noted the cabinets? T is either involved directly, or indirectly. The cell phone records will tell the story. It isn't unusual for those involved to interject themselves after the crime, and act concerned. It's often more of thrill to them knowing they had a hand in the investigation.

Do you have a link regarding her saying anything about cabinets?

[Lady Cop]

Welcome Winter! thanks for joining..i LIKE winter!

correct me someone if i am wrong, i am quite tired. been here for many hours. wasn't it Tiffany, and not a friend of Tiffany who called Johnny's mother?

According to the released information, Tiffany went by the house PRIOR to telling or calling anyone, then phoned a friend who called the Mother of Johnny.

it was Tiffany on the recorded 911 calls. not a friend. maybe i have missed something. got a link?

[Jane]

friendly reminder since i have not had time lately to post a rules sticky. please all new people, read post #149 in page 11.
thanks!

done!

[RJs-Ex]

Welcome Winter! thanks for joining..i LIKE winter!

correct me someone if i am wrong, i am quite tired. been here for many hours. wasn't it Tiffany, and not a friend of Tiffany who called Johnny's mother?

According to the released information, Tiffany went by the house PRIOR to telling or calling anyone, then phoned a friend who called the Mother of Johnny.

Oh yeah, she's involved. I wonder if her job was to lure the 2 out of the house so that the killers could ransack the house for the stash? But...there was some miscommunication along the way and the killers entered the house too early, running into Johnny on his way out? Then, when Tiffany never got picked up and couldn't get ahold of Johnny, she knew some shit went down, thus the drive-by. I don't think she ever expected anyone to get killed. Then she had her "Oh shit!" moment and made the call to her friend. I hope this girl's got some protection or gone into hiding or something!