Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Lady Cop]

LC..do you lock the forum up, at night?

oh no. post all you like all night. 24/7. there may not be a lot of people around, but we don't shut down.

[MzFruit]

thats my opinion too! very STRONG feelings of that. forensics could come on and fill us in! Ive been nerved about listening to the tapes. The first one yes...call me a chicken shit but i already am losin sleep over it!

[Jane]

I've gotta listen to those 911 tapes again (don't want to). I'm not clear on if Tiffany went by the house more than once. I know this much: If I were a detective I would be zeroing in on her. IMHO, she knows the killers.

Well, she claims after trying to get John, back on the phone, to no avail, she went to the home, & knocked on the door, & no one answered. Don't know what time frame that was though, THEN all the other phone calls started & she ended back at the home with John's father, then the mother shows up with a cousin,,,, then of course, this is when the father raises the cousin up to a window to peek in. So yes, it sounds like T was at the home twice that night/early morning.

[Jane]

LC..do you lock the forum up, at night?

oh no. post all you like all night. 24/7. there may not be a lot of people around, but we don't shut down.

great! Thanks

[Jane]

I've gotta listen to those 911 tapes again (don't want to). I'm not clear on if Tiffany went by the house more than once. I know this much: If I were a detective I would be zeroing in on her. IMHO, she knows the killers.

Don't really want to either, but I'm off to do so! lol, goodnight all!

[Lady Cop]

Jane and Fruit and Winter and Curious, and anyone i apologize for leaving out, do an intro thread in newbie forum sometime. and look around, we have LOTS of topics and areas that may interest you. we hope you'll enjoy Mock even when this case is done.


http://mockforums.net/forum-9.html

[MzFruit]

I've gotta listen to those 911 tapes again (don't want to). I'm not clear on if Tiffany went by the house more than once. I know this much: If I were a detective I would be zeroing in on her. IMHO, she knows the killers.

Well, she claims after trying to get John, back on the phone, to no avail, she went to the home, & knocked on the door, & no one answered. Don't know what time frame that was though, THEN all the other phone calls started & she ended back at the home with John's father, then the mother shows up with a cousin,,,, then of course, this is when the father raises the cousin up to a window to peek in. So yes, it sounds like T was at the home twice that night/early morning.

My biggest question to that is really: IF YOU KNOW SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED AS YOU CLAIMED YOU HEARD IN THE BACKGROUnD WOULD YOU GO THERE AND RING THE BELL??

[Winter]

thats my opinion too! very STRONG feelings of that. forensics could come on and fill us in! Ive been nerved about listening to the tapes. The first one yes...call me a chicken shit but i already am losin sleep over it!

I'm with you on that Mzfruit. I'm quite unnerved myself, it's so tragic.

[curious]

i dont know why and i hate to think this, but i feel like the mom knows more than she's letting on to...she does in fact have quite a rap sheet of her own, from breaking & entering to poss controlled substance. And as speculation surrounds who JC may have told the homeowners were out of town, one has to wonder, should it also be asked who his mother could have told?

[Lady Cop]

i dont know why and i hate to think this, but i feel like the mom knows more than she's letting on to...she does in fact have quite a rap sheet of her own, from breaking & entering to poss controlled substance. And as speculation surrounds who JC may have told the homeowners were out of town, one has to wonder, should it also be asked who his mother could have told?

can you verify/link to mom's alleged rap sheet? i want confirmation or proof of that please. from a reliable source.
thanks.

[Jane]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7933570

here's a few seconds of the first 911 call, with the mother. (She mentions the friend saying the house was ransacked & all the lights were on)

[Jane]

http://www.toledoonthemove.com/news/stor...?id=576342

above is the first 911 call, in it's entirety

click on the bigger video - correction, the above is all of the 911 calls

[ZEROSPHERES]

Yes I think a person would do that if they knew the all parties involved and were working under some expectation from the start that this was just gonna be a robbery and nothing more. That could actually DRIVE your desire to go there to put your mind at ease hoping things were OK and you wern't being duped.

[Jane]

Yes I think a person would do that if they knew the all parties involved and were working under some expectation from the start that this was just gonna be a robbery and nothing more. That could actually DRIVE your desire to go there to put your mind at ease hoping things were OK and you wern't being duped.

Good point. I see what you mean.

[shitstorm]

I've gotta listen to those 911 tapes again (don't want to). I'm not clear on if Tiffany went by the house more than once. I know this much: If I were a detective I would be zeroing in on her. IMHO, she knows the killers.

Well, she claims after trying to get John, back on the phone, to no avail, she went to the home, & knocked on the door, & no one answered. Don't know what time frame that was though, THEN all the other phone calls started & she ended back at the home with John's father, then the mother shows up with a cousin,,,, then of course, this is when the father raises the cousin up to a window to peek in. So yes, it sounds like T was at the home twice that night/early morning.

This is from the link I posted earlier:

herecomestrouble said:

I'm sure the friend's story will be checked out thoroughly as there's too much riding on the details and timeline she gave. If true, her story would suggest what time it happened, give her an alibi (waiting for Johnny to pick her up) and throw suspicion onto a mysterious stranger ("Who are you?") and not somebody known to the victims. Presumably only a close friend would pick someone up late at night, so if you heard what she says she heard a close friend say before the line went dead, you wouldn't dither around for a couple hours, then call another friend to discuss it, but would call 911 immediately. I think I also read that she said she drove past the house later and saw all the lights on? If that's true, why couldn't she drive herself earlier instead of asking Johnny to pick her up? Too many questions needing answers....
Posted 02/03/2011 at 06:15:49 PM

I agree with that person - Tiffany was establishing either an alibi or a "story" to cover what really went down.

[shitstorm]

I've gotta listen to those 911 tapes again (don't want to). I'm not clear on if Tiffany went by the house more than once. I know this much: If I were a detective I would be zeroing in on her. IMHO, she knows the killers.

Well, she claims after trying to get John, back on the phone, to no avail, she went to the home, & knocked on the door, & no one answered. Don't know what time frame that was though, THEN all the other phone calls started & she ended back at the home with John's father, then the mother shows up with a cousin,,,, then of course, this is when the father raises the cousin up to a window to peek in. So yes, it sounds like T was at the home twice that night/early morning.

My biggest question to that is really: IF YOU KNOW SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED AS YOU CLAIMED YOU HEARD IN THE BACKGROUnD WOULD YOU GO THERE AND RING THE BELL??

No
way
in
hell

I would call the cops.

[Jane]

I've gotta listen to those 911 tapes again (don't want to). I'm not clear on if Tiffany went by the house more than once. I know this much: If I were a detective I would be zeroing in on her. IMHO, she knows the killers.

Well, she claims after trying to get John, back on the phone, to no avail, she went to the home, & knocked on the door, & no one answered. Don't know what time frame that was though, THEN all the other phone calls started & she ended back at the home with John's father, then the mother shows up with a cousin,,,, then of course, this is when the father raises the cousin up to a window to peek in. So yes, it sounds like T was at the home twice that night/early morning.

My biggest question to that is really: IF YOU KNOW SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED AS YOU CLAIMED YOU HEARD IN THE BACKGROUnD WOULD YOU GO THERE AND RING THE BELL??

No
way
in
hell

I would call the cops.

I would too, unless I was involved, & only thought it was going to be a simple robbery, & no one would be hurt. In that case, I'd probably go check & see what's up. I think that's what the other poster is 'saying'. It makes sense, if she was involved. - - - now, I just got through listening again to the calls (one of them has been deleted, I believe) Tiffany says she drove out there, to the house, after her other friends' mother got home (sounds like she used that person's car to drive over there?) She said nobody answered the door. She doesn't say a word about the house being ransacked. I'm more & more starting to think T knows what happened

[BlueTiki]

i dont know why and i hate to think this, but i feel like the mom knows more than she's letting on to...she does in fact have quite a rap sheet of her own, from breaking & entering to poss controlled substance.

can you verify/link to mom's alleged rap sheet? i want confirmation or proof of that please. from a reliable source.
thanks.

Yeah . . . I'd like to see a verifiable rap sheet, too.

Mom kinda gives me the willies in this video.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7938127

No red eyes - No tears - "forced" crying.

They loss of a child is tragic . . . so is her performance.

Is this an example of a "Real Housewife of Springfield Township"?

[Jane]

By now, LE has surely grilled Tiffany about what she claims she saw, when she got to the house, the first time. Could it be, the lights were on, & that's why she was able to see inside, to where the cabinets were? Maybe by the time LE got there, the lights were out, thus nothing looked suspicious? I've GOT to go to sleep!

[Jane]

i dont know why and i hate to think this, but i feel like the mom knows more than she's letting on to...she does in fact have quite a rap sheet of her own, from breaking & entering to poss controlled substance.

can you verify/link to mom's alleged rap sheet? i want confirmation or proof of that please. from a reliable source.
thanks.

Yeah . . . I'd like to see a verifiable rap sheet, too.

Mom kinda gives me the willies in this video.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7938127

No red eyes - No tears - "forced" crying.

They loss of a child is tragic . . . so is her performance.

Is this an example of a "Real Housewife of Springfield Township"?

Whoa, I agree with you! I think it's possible she's fucked up on pills, but it sure does appear to be "forced" crying.