Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Lady Cop]

thanks Curious, let's see if this shows up large enough when you click on it. i had to resize it down to post it at all. you're going to need bigger glasses. heh
(btw i am making you a member now.)

[shitstorm]

i dont know why and i hate to think this, but i feel like the mom knows more than she's letting on to...she does in fact have quite a rap sheet of her own, from breaking & entering to poss controlled substance.

can you verify/link to mom's alleged rap sheet? i want confirmation or proof of that please. from a reliable source.
thanks.

Yeah . . . I'd like to see a verifiable rap sheet, too.

Mom kinda gives me the willies in this video.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7938127

No red eyes - No tears - "forced" crying.

They loss of a child is tragic . . . so is her performance.

Is this an example of a "Real Housewife of Springfield Township"?

It really helps looking at stuff more than once. Yes, there are NO TEARS. I believe those are called alligator tears.

See, this is why I could I never be a detective. I have kneejerk reactions and then I change my mind. A second review of the tapes and the video makes Tiffany appear far less suspect and Johnny's mother look like she knew something.

I'm also convinced that Johnny did not live at the Straubs'. Twice, in the 911 call, Johnny's mother says he's house sitting and once she says that is where Lisa lives.

BTW, did you catch how well the mother knew the Straubs' address? I find that odd because I'm sure he didn't live there. I don't think my parents ever knew the house numbers of any of my boyfriend's parents when I was that age. Maybe she knew that address so well because she's the one who told someone else about an upscale home where owners were away in Puerto Rico.

you seem to be really wanting to pin this pretty hard on a mom.

i said mom. what mother would set their own son up in such a way. wrong tree barking going on here.

also the tiffany thing. bark tree wrong.

if either of the two of them were involved, they have been in custody within 24 hours.

my original theory has still not taken a single, even remotely small, hit. not even after this avalanche of posts from last night.

-pink

Still way back a few pages here.

I fully acknowledge that I could be full of shit. You may have noticed that I said I could never be a detective because I have kneejerk reactions and change my mind easily. We shall see. At this point I wouldn't discount your theory but it seems the most far fetched. Occam's razor and all that. Dunno.

[pinkyfloyd]

If I understand your comment above, correctly, I strongly disagree. This is a fresh case. It will be a week, tomorrow. I think LE has a suspect/suspects in mind, already, & are zeroing in on them. Waiting on lab results, going over phone records, (if they haven't already) This case will be solved, & fairly fast, imo.

i appreciate your optimism, it's cute in a sort of naive way.

i'll remind you of this statement two weeks from now if you'd like, when LE is no closer to solving this crime.

-pink

[pinkyfloyd]

Any vigils or impromptu memorials for Johnny or Lisa?

they were held over the weekend at various locations in the west-side toledo suburbs, in basements, and at bars, and attended by any number of felons and felons-to-be.

much the same scene has been repeated every weekend up until now, and will be repeated ad nauseum. the cast of characters will slowly change from time to time, as those who die and go to jail are replaced with new faces.

-pink

[Lady Cop]

Wow. While I slept things got a lot more interesting.

not really. i thought the same thing when i first logged on today, but you can't judge level of interesting based on volume of posts.

lotsa same ol' same ol'.

-pink

[pinkyfloyd]

now, now "mr. rain on my parade" isn't the point of having a forum is to state opinions/theories..

of course that's the reason...please text me when someone posts something new that isn't totally and outlandishly wild...

-pink

[pinkyfloyd]

laughter is amazing and i cherish being the reason behind one's.

you wouldn't think it from my apparent cynicism, but 'tis true.

-pink

[shitstorm]

interestingly enough, no statements from either johnny's father or lisa's parents.

as terrible as it is to say, they might be actually sharing in tiny little bit of the relief i described above.

even though they were their children, a teeny tiny sense of relief in the fact that the tumultuous book has finally been closed.

-pink

Oh, ffs, Pink!

[pinkyfloyd]

I fully acknowledge that I could be full of shit. You may have noticed that I said I could never be a detective because I have kneejerk reactions and change my mind easily. We shall see. At this point I wouldn't discount your theory but it seems the most far fetched. Occam's razor and all that. Dunno.

wow this statement surprises me, honestly. i personally see mine as the closest fetch. i think occam's razor would more likely point to my theory over wild conspiracy theories that involve the cannibalization of local hoodlums.

trust me, these kids don't eat their own. which is why i scoff at the tales of involvement from within, turning state's evidence, throwing people under proverbial buses...LE got about two hours into looking over this small pile of evidence and were pleased to come to the realization that they wouldn't have to be wasting any of the local courts time over these two candles being snuffed. might have even been a few unsung desires to send a thank-you note or two.

-pink

[pinkyfloyd]

interestingly enough, no statements from either johnny's father or lisa's parents.

as terrible as it is to say, they might be actually sharing in tiny little bit of the relief i described above.

even though they were their children, a teeny tiny sense of relief in the fact that the tumultuous book has finally been closed.

-pink

Oh, ffs, Pink!

i didn't say that with any sense of sarcasm whatsoever. you'll see exactly what i mean shortly thereafter when another poster related a story of her own father's musings with regard to her sister.

-pink

[Jane]

Wow. While I slept things got a lot more interesting.

not really. i thought the same thing when i first logged on today, but you can't judge level of interesting based on volume of posts.

lotsa same ol' same ol'.

-pink

now, now "mr. rain on my parade" isn't the point of having a forum is to state opinions/theories..

@ "mr. rain on my parade"

[Duchess]

i appreciate your optimism, it's cute in a sort of naive way.

You have a very condescending attitude...it's cute in a big asshole kind of way.

[Jane]

If I understand your comment above, correctly, I strongly disagree. This is a fresh case. It will be a week, tomorrow. I think LE has a suspect/suspects in mind, already, & are zeroing in on them. Waiting on lab results, going over phone records, (if they haven't already) This case will be solved, & fairly fast, imo.

i appreciate your optimism, it's cute in a sort of naive way.

i'll remind you of this statement two weeks from now if you'd like, when LE is no closer to solving this crime.

-pink

LOL @"it's cute". I have no problem with you reminding me, whatsoever.

[MzFruit]

can an0n shed any more "insight" into the above entry???

who cares, it would just be conjecture about theory based in rumours, which is what this entire story has now dwindled away to.

I have an additional theory, that the case files have already been moved to long-term storage...

-pink

That is what im saying! Just waiting on forensics, to have a nice solid case....cant wait

If I understand your comment above, correctly, I strongly disagree. This is a fresh case. It will be a week, tomorrow. I think LE has a suspect/suspects in mind, already, & are zeroing in on them. Waiting on lab results, going over phone records, (if they haven't already) This case will be solved, & fairly fast, imo.

[MzFruit]

can an0n shed any more "insight" into the above entry???

who cares, it would just be conjecture about theory based in rumours, which is what this entire story has now dwindled away to.

I have an additional theory, that the case files have already been moved to long-term storage...

-pink

That is what im saying! Just waiting on forensics, to have a nice solid case....cant wait

If I understand your comment above, correctly, I strongly disagree. This is a fresh case. It will be a week, tomorrow. I think LE has a suspect/suspects in mind, already, & are zeroing in on them. Waiting on lab results, going over phone records, (if they haven't already) This case will be solved, & fairly fast, imo.

sorry, supposed to be more like THIS:
Thats what i think just waiting on forensics to have a nice solid case and then no one can go "on the run" ... if they think they are wanted....if any of these kids that i know of that were there ... none have Jobs. or lives to run from, so just to go into hiding would be NOTHING for them!

[shitstorm]

interestingly enough, no statements from either johnny's father or lisa's parents.

as terrible as it is to say, they might be actually sharing in tiny little bit of the relief i described above.

even though they were their children, a teeny tiny sense of relief in the fact that the tumultuous book has finally been closed.

-pink

Johnny's father has made a pubic statement. He stated " I hope the police finds them before I do" , referring to the perpetrators. Johnny's father was very upset and crying. According to a broadcast I saw, the neighbors are also scared and concerned. One neighbor said that people are now locking their doors, and looking out for one another. I hardly feel the Mother feels a sense of relief, this kid was only 21, he still had time to be molded into a productive citizen. It's true, however; that I've not heard any public statements by Lisa's parents. Lisa's parents still may have made one, that I haven't heard.

Some people inhabit realities where losing a child to violence is not terribly unusual (if still traumatic). I lived in L.A. and I know that to be true. By the looks of things, Johnny's family may be accustomed to things that would curl the hair of most people. From the scant information on Lisa, there doesn't seem to be any indicator that she came from that kind of world. I agree with you that this idea of a sense of relief is not right. Even the parents of gang bangers grieve (unless they're sociopaths). Though we'll never know, it doesn't look like Johnny was on any kind of path to what I would consider normal. Lisa, OTOH, looked like she fell for the wrong guy. I'm gonna bet that murdered kids are NOT common in her family's universe. I don't know how in the hell those poor people can even be in that house. Perhaps they're not. I'd have to sell it.

[Duchess]

Is this small town America? The kind of town where everyone knows your name?

[pinkyfloyd]

i appreciate your optimism, it's cute in a sort of naive way.

You have a very condescending attitude...it's cute in a big asshole kind of way.

this isn't the first time a person has made such an observation.

not the first time i've taken it as a compliment either.

thanks, dutchie.

-pink

[pinkyfloyd]

Is this small town America? The kind of town where everyone knows your name?

no it's not small town america. holland/maumee/springfield used to be, and i think still wants to be, however urban sprawl has put a stop to this. but it is generally regarded as a good place to raise children, and a safe place to live.

which is why you people should find it so telling that nobody that lives there is particularly afraid for their own lives, or the lives of their own children. unless of course they appropriately had those fears before this unfortunate occurrence.

residents of the area are/were surprised, but not particularly scared, due to this incident.

-pink

[shitstorm]

Good points made. I think LE is feverishly working on this one, even though I don't really think they botched anything. I can certainly see why the public might think so, though.

only think I see them as possibly perceived by the public as "botched" is that they may have actually done a drive-by when johnny and lisa were still breathing. however they had no reason to be kicking down doors at that point.

think about it, cop cars drive right by crimes in progress all of the damn time. however we have laws in this country that protect us from randomly having our doors kicked in for no good reason.

-pink

It's supposed to be that way. In reality, cops kick down doors and murder innocent people all the damn time. I'm very into this subject of the rising police state in which we find ourselves. Reading some of the comments at other sites where people actually want cops busting down doors is horrifying. It's the dumbing down of America where the sheeple wouldn't know the 4^th amendment if they fell over it. I'm pretty much at the point where I wouldn't call a cop for anything.

/rant off