Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Freshbait78]

THANKS LADY COP...I just cant find that post cuz he clearly goes into that he/she has info about his mother and MR Z mother. They are so many comment and you know I love your site. and I didnt comment for a long time and always enjoyed your comments. I must have taken your comment wrong. As for the comment from fresh bait, maybe your right but i believe that cocaine is more expensive and so is herion than percs. WAY MORE EXPENSIVE, believe me. Also havent you heard that they addicts enjoy snorting the stuff. whether it be in pill form or not. crushes it make it looks like you are getting more. JMO...But I could be way off base here. However, I BELIEVE THIS WAS DRUG RELATED AND the people who killed them didnt have money to pay for the requested drug that they arranged for Johnny to have there. Also r they sure that Johnny actually picked up LISA at TGIF's?

" Some brand name prescription drugs containing oxycodone as the active ingredient include Percocet, Percodan, Roxicet, OxyContin, and Roxicodone. In southeastern Pennsylvania, users have been witnessed paying $80 for one 80 mg OxyContin pill, which ends up being more expensive than gold. As habits grow, many people switch to heroin because of its availability and attractive lower prices."

We will have to agree to disagree.

[Duchess]

OxyContin

Hillbilly heroin

[allieayy]

I have been creeping on this forum for days, and decided to put in the little bit that I know.
I met Lisa when I was a freshman in high school. She truly was the girl that I wanted to be. She was bold, had many friends, she was very pretty, and was known as a bit of a party girl.
Though I lost contact with her over the years, she wasnt completely out of my life, as she lived with one of my best friends up until November/December. (I wanna say late November but I'm not certain)
So Lisa was living with my good friend, E. They had been best friends since grade school and got an apartment together. E soon came to have problems with Johnny, who, as many have speculated, was a sketchy drug dealer. Maytee was very, very wrong when she said her son had no enemies.
E often complained about Johnny showing up at the apartment, uninvited, even when Lisa wasn't home, often bringing his "sketchy" friends. Eventually, she told Lisa that Johnny wasn't allowed over anymore.
There was an incident which resulted in the two girls terminating their lease, which is when Lisa returned to live with her parents in Holland. Johnny had showed up, though not allowed. Somehow an argument broke out between him and E. She told him he needed to leave and he punched her in the stomach. Now E is a 100 pound girl, but she said that he punched her so hard that it took her a minute to be able to steady herself and catch her breath. Johnny then left, the girls put the chain lock on, and he tried to get back in. When he gave up, he slammed the door so hard that it jammed into the frame, and E's dad had to come take it off the hinges in order to let them out of the apartment.
Love Lisa, but she stood up for Johnny and E couldn't hang with it anymore, so they broke off their lease.

E isn't the only one of Lisa's friends that didn't want to be around Johnny. From what it seems of my friends that remained in contact with her, most of the people she hung out with were his friends. Alot of her more "tactful" friends didn't want to see her when he was around. And he came around whenever he pleased.

Wow. Thanks for that (presuming it's true).

I noticed that on the Justice for Johnny & Lisa FB page that all of the people are Johnny's friends. No long time friends of Lisa have left comments. Two different worlds.

I'll bet that Lisa's parents were not fans of Johnny.

A lot of her friends joined the page. But as its been mentioned many times before, LS's side of this isn't flaunting what happened. in the days after her death, there were a lot of RIP facebook status's, a few childhood photos posted of her and friends, and some get togethers to celebrate her life. a friends facebook status says "W.W.L.D" (What would Lisa do?) and comments are made often about missing her.
I think a main difference is that JC's friends and family are a lot of "we'll find who did this to you" whereas LS's side blames Johnny for it. And you can't exactly put that up on the memorial page.
All in all LS's friends and family have found a more private way to grieve and feel no need to let everyone witness that process.

[Midwest Spy]

This is a great thread! I haven't posted anything yet, but felt the need to complement you on a wonderful avatar. I'm always waiting for you to chime in!!

thanks Spy, and welcome to Mock~~, not sure who you were talking to. so you're not a SECRET agent?

I was referring to you, LC, and the Duchess. This topic is fascinating. I'm nowhere near Ohio, but I have a son who's nearing the ages of the victims involved in this heinous crime. I'm following all the info and the theories with great interest. Hope to have a resolution soon!

[Freshbait78]

OxyContin

Hillbilly heroin

Exactly! Although I never understood why it was nicknamed that because it isn't cheap. I have a close family member who got help through a suboxone clinic & is now clean & an ex friend who were both addicted to the shit & it's not cheap on the street.

[Lady Cop]

does anyone know correct DOB for Johnny's father? i am looking around some court records, but want to be cautious. thanks!

[Duchess]

addicted to the shit & it's not cheap on the street.

Not all drug dealers are lowlife, street scum, some actually pay rent on a lovely office suite where they can hang their shingle.

[Mommabear]

does anyone know correct DOB for Johnny's father? i am looking around some court records, but want to be cautious. thanks!

Looked on facebook but birthdate is hidden. However listed under son it johnny,jovanny,jac. I am thinking that they spell the name differently at times.

[BoogyWoogy]

and between i think

[BoogyWoogy]

and between i think

sorry 39 to 41

[RaisingAPrince]

Can anyone get some video of the circus this afternoon? Yes, I know that question is in VERY poor taste.

I have to admit I've thought about driving by just to see how big of a deal it is. But to be honest, being a female in my 20's, I think I'd be scared!!

[RaisingAPrince]

and between i think

sorry 39 to 41

BoogyWoogy, it would be very beneficial for others if you'd use the "Quote" option when posting. It's VERY hard to follow what you are talking about!

[ZEROSPHERES]

thanks Kat...so clearly the posts are still here.

No, that wasn't it; I saw those two posts. It may be as LC mentioned, that she edited one of Unknown's earlier posts. It was right at the time when I joined and wished I could've read them.

LC is correct, she only altered a post to protect people as per the forum rules. She made "unknown" a member quickly so they could PM back and forth because I think LC saw an urgency and wanted to let "unknown" the danger he was subjecting himself to in his candid posts. IMO "LC" is doing her job of Moderator well.

below is the referenced string Kat has expessed interest in:

~~~
Unknown - 02-04-2011 08:14 AM

I think you should read this. http://com/forums/showthread.php?p=60945...ost6094546
~~~
RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 02-04-2011 08:16 AM

Welcome to Mock Unknown.

are you the poster? (grieving friend)

if credible, it supports much of what i suspected.
~~~
Unknown - 02-04-2011 08:20 AM

I would like to talk to ladycop but cant send private messages yet.
~~~
Lady Cop - 02-04-2011 08:22 AM


(02-04-2011 08:20 AM)Unknown Wrote: I would like to talk to ladycop but cant send private messages yet.

when i make you a member you may PM me.
i altered your link, sorry, but i don't want to link to that site.
you may email me at [email protected]

put mock Unknown in subject line.

got your mail and replied, thankyou.
~~~
Duchess - 02-04-2011 08:23 AM



I didn't go to that nazi forum. Can you post here what you posted there? Thanks!
~~~
Duchess - 02-04-2011 08:31 AM


(02-04-2011 08:14 AM)Unknown Wrote: I think you should read this. http://com/forums/showthread.php?p=60945...ost6094546


I very much appreciate you taking the time to post here. Thank you for that! I'm not opposed to all links, just those that lead to questionable sites & that particular forum certainly qualifies as questionable in my opinion. I have a problem with sites that present themselves as a community forum yet censors it's members so heavily, that's not a forum, that's a dictatorship.
~~~
Lady Cop - 02-04-2011 08:38 AM

Unknown, as much as your information is appreciated, i am going to say to you i think you need to stop posting things that will attract attention of murderers. as it is, i think you will be subpeonaed. and be sure to tell the authorities anything you know for certain. be honest with them.
~~~
Unknown - 02-04-2011 08:52 AM

I am 100% completely honest with them. Most of my friends say that's my flaw. I'm just brutally honest with everyone whether the person wants to here something else or not and if my credit was to get involved I would have no problems there. I wouldn't be at all nervous to get subpoenaed if it was going to put whoever behind bars. I don't believe I'm a snitch if it was my friend. As for any murders who want to mess w/ me, I have bells on my doors and 12G 4+1 capacity action pump shotgun. I have taken precaution at my house until this is solved.
~~~
Lady Cop - 02-04-2011 09:01 AM

i hope you remain safe! and i thank you for sharing with me. feel free here, just please don't put yourself at risk.

i have an opinion and a theory, but am going to keep it to myself for the moment.
~~~
Unknown - 02-04-2011 09:11 AM

Question: If Ms.Z & Ms.T was supposed to be picked up by Lisa & Johnny around 11, why did he call my mom around 10 at night to get money from her, he would of had to drive 20 mins there and back and showed he had a car available to meet Johnny and Lisa at her house. If they were going to do percocets why would Lisa and Johnny want to drive all the way there to pick them up drive them back to the house just to do free drugs with Mr.Z and Ms.T? why didn't Mr.Z and Ms.T call the cops when she heard something bad had taken place at the very beginning? why did Mr.Z and Ms.T drive 20 mins to the house when they heard what happened on the phone? if they did that it seems to struggle with 2 people in the house, ran sack the house, tie them up and from what I hear very tight with a lot of tape around there arms and legs and search the house for money would have taken longer then 20 mins so by the time Mr.Z and Ms.T got there the killers were still in the house. the neighbors didn't here anyone speed away so these people just walked out of the house with nothing? and drove away all quite.

[ZEROSPHERES]

~~~
Lady Cop - 02-04-2011 09:19 AM

Unknown, i am making you a member now. so you can PM me when you wish.
as i said a few minutes ago, i have an opinion about this, but will wait for a little more info on certain parties before i express that opinion.
~~~
Unknown - 02-04-2011 09:33 AM

This is purely spectating, but if it was a hit how did the killers know the parents were away? cause that seems like the perfect time to do that. how did they show up at the perfect time when they were about to walk out the door? How did they know were johnny was staying with Lisa when I'm sure they wouldn't of be having friends over doing drugs in the straub's house while the parents were there? Johnny only invited Mr.Z and Ms.T over to the house the day before because the parents were out of town. The straubs house isn't a hang out spot. Mr.Z and Ms.T knew the layout of the house from being over there the night before. knew the parents were going to be gone, knew when they were home, were at the scene withing 20-25 mins of taking place. Either they told someone, or did it themselves.
~~~
Unknown - 02-04-2011 09:41 AM

Ahh here's the catch to that. I talked to Mr.Z mom and asked her what did Ms.T tell you what happened on the phone call. She states she was talking to johnny about him heading out the door then she hears johnny say Hey bro what are you doing here? In a more serious tone. then hears him say who the fuck are you! she then states they were says something to johnny but couldn't make out who it was andt hen hears johnny yelling and the phone went dead. I asked could you hear anything from Lisa, she said she didn't hear anything from Lisa.
~~~
pinkyfloyd - 02-04-2011 09:42 AM

and what about the last part of that post...?

-pink
~~~
Unknown - 02-04-2011 09:45 AM

what do you mean?
~~~
Unknown - 02-04-2011 09:49 AM

the person who was on the phone was a heroin dealer! Yes her credibility is shit! Her Ex-Boyfriend just got out of prison for Robbery. I wouldn't believe anything out of her mouth. Also, she lives with Mr.Z mom. Mr.Z mom told me this a month before the murder. Told me two weeks ago that here son is going thru percocets withdraws and has been stealing from her probley to support the habit since he has no job.
~~~
Lady Cop - 02-04-2011 09:19 AM

Unknown, i am making you a member now. so you can PM me when you wish.
as i said a few minutes ago, i have an opinion about this, but will wait for a little more info on certain parties before i express that opinion.
~~~
pinkyfloyd - 02-04-2011 09:58 AM


(02-04-2011 09:45 AM)Unknown Wrote: what do you mean?

"The combination of the cops not saying anything + nothing being leaked, that points to nobody having any real clue who did this."

-pink
~~~
pinkyfloyd - 02-04-2011 10:00 AM

in a town like Toledo, in this day and age, it most certainly does.

Nobody in Toledo can keep anything secret.

-pink
~~~
Unknown - 02-04-2011 10:00 AM

I wont use real names.
~~~
RaisingAPrince - 02-04-2011 10:48 AM

After reading through your posts, I just had one thought that stuck out quite a bit.

It appears this "unknown" person knows quite a bit and may have information to help the case. If that is so, why haven't they gone forward to police to share this information and help in the investigation?

Two young people lost their lives. Whether drugs were involved or not, their families need closure.
~~~
RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 02-04-2011 10:49 AM

Pinky: and don't get me wrong, it's not just a problem in Toledo. Name one big major secret that has been kept recently when it comes to law enforcement?


well, if it's secret, by definition we don't know it. in otherwords, who knows what the authorities are holding back? from years of LE experience, i can tell you it is rare to compromise a case by blabbing everything. details are held "close to the vest" to protect a possible trial.
and leaks & gossip are not to be trusted until they are confirmed by LE.
~~~
Unknown - 02-04-2011 10:49 AM

Ms.T said she drove over there and all the lights are on in the house and looks like it was ransacked. how did she know the house was ransacked when even the police and the father didn't see that, the cops came out twice and didn't see anything suspicious it wasn't until someone got boosted up to the window that they see the body(s) and new something happened. It seems she already knew what happened.
~~~
Unknown - 02-04-2011 11:22 AM

Mr.Z mom text messaged my mom yesterday asking for money that she could borrow. My mom said no and then received a message back from Mr.Z mom that said it wasn't her who sent that, that it was Mr.Z. My mom is freaking out so she called the Detectives and said what should she do in fear of being setup for a robbery and he said that my mom is to close to Mr.Z family for him to probably do anything to her. That if anything happens to call 911 right away.
~~~
Unknown - 02-04-2011 01:19 PM

I have just heard that when the cops arrived the first time all the lights were on in the house and could hear the tv on and they said there was nothing they could legally do cause they couldn't see a disturbance and on the second call out the tv was off and the light in the house were mostly off. That means when they got there the first time the killer(s) were still in the house! My source says they either parked there car in a neighbors driveway or around the side st.
~~~
Lady Cop - 02-04-2011 01:20 PM


(02-04-2011 01:05 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: I'm having trouble with the plastic bags over-the-head and duct tape thing.

Seems to me like a Hollywood scripted gang/drug cartel/pseudo mob murder scene . . . too cliche.

sounds to me that they used what was at hand. that it was spontaneous. that it was sloppy. i will bet there is all kinds of DNA evidence, and the police are waiting for results of testing.
~~~
Unknown - 02-04-2011 01:23 PM

My source says there was a lot of evidence at the scene. So I know they got the evidence I think there just waiting for dna evidence to come back.
~~~
Unknown - 02-04-2011 04:34 PM

there can be trace evidence that transfers to the duct tape, such as fibers on the gloves, any animal hair or the perps hair also fingerprints can transfer. we do not know if they used gloves. the small hairs on the hand could have also transferred to the tape. if there was no real evidence that the victims were injured other then by suffocation by the bag and bruising around the neck that the puddle of blood or blood around the scene may have not been from the victims, the victims may have fought back and injured the killers. I did a simple test with duct tape and put my pair of gloves on that I have. Duct tape is very hard to use with gloves on unless you use your teeth to start to pull the duct tape apart to begin to wrap. 2 duct tape is very sticky whoever was doing the wrapping it must have taken a lot of time to wrap a decent amount of tape around someones hands and feet and head. after examining the duct tape that I used there was a lot of trace evidence on the duct tape its self on just a small piece that I used, I seen fibers from the gloves, I believe an eyebrow hair, small red fibers, a tobacco flake. I also tried to see what it looks like at the ends of the tape if you were to just rip it or bite it with your teeth. dna does transfer if they bit it with there teeth after wrapping (I do see a lil bit of saliva) and makes a funny indent in the corner from the tooth pressing on the edge compared to ripping looks more like its stretched out.

I have been over the straubs house. I know that neighborhood. there is no thugs over there, they would have probley come from the southside of toledo which is a 15 min drive to the straubs house. so you are not the only one who knows the area, I have grew up in maumee and south toledo my whole life. Yes duct tape does leave dna evidence if they had to keep wrapping the victims with a lot of duct tape small hairs from eyebrows, or the head or hairs on the gloves very well do appear on the duct tape. It is super sticky and as they wrap whatever falls onto the duct tape is sealed away until the csi unwrap it a examine it.
~~~
Unknown - 02-04-2011 05:31 PM

New Information: Mr.Z has a polygraph test scheduled for Monday and his mom is trying to lawyer up.
~~~
Unknown - 02-04-2011 05:55 PM

I'm not sure mr.z mom called my mom asking to borrow 400 dollars for a retainer fee that they would be taking him to wood county on Monday for a polygraph and she needed the money to get a lawyer for her son. I believe the murders happened in lucus county but the nearest juvenile detention center is located in bowling green which if they make an arrest he will be taken to JDC in bowling green(wood county)
~~~
Lady Cop - 02-04-2011 06:26 PM

$400. for a retainer is probably the tip of the iceberg which could include his parents' house.

as far as mr.z, i know to whom that refers, and 'Unknown' can explain his bona fides to you if he wishes. i haven't let anyone use real names of people in here until LE names them, i don't want to drag innocent people into it.

[ZEROSPHERES]

~~~
Unknown - 02-04-2011 06:42 PM

Its very simple,
~~~
Lady Cop - 02-04-2011 06:45 PM


(02-04-2011 06:42 PM)Unknown Wrote: Its very simple, I talk to Lisa's family.

are her parents home now? how are they coping? i haven't seen any comments or photos. my deepest sympathies go out to them.
~~~
Unknown - 02-04-2011 06:51 PM

They had all there family over yesterday night and the night before that. They were upset yes but coping. They said the hardest part was yesterday at the funeral home picking out everything. source also said the funeral will be on Wednesday and will be release an obit but will not be releasing the time as they do not want certain people attending.
~~~
pinkyfloyd - 02-04-2011 06:58 PM

well you all will have to excuse my pessimism, but I'm not putting much weight behind such musings until I see a little firmer proof. no offense intended.

-pink
~~~
Lady Cop - 02-04-2011 07:03 PM

UK:will not be releasing the time as they do not want certain people attending.

they can't keep a secret like that, but they can make it a private funeral. anyone can call funeral home and get particulars.
~~~
Lady Cop - 02-04-2011 07:21 PM

just as a point of information, i have verified Unknown's relationship to the family of Lisa Straub.

[Pimpette]

Have you noticed that a lot of contacts in common with T have weird facebook status and some others have problems sleeping ..? Here for over a week to read .. continue .. !

[shitstorm]

THANKS LADY COP...I just cant find that post cuz he clearly goes into that he/she has info about his mother and MR Z mother. They are so many comment and you know I love your site. and I didnt comment for a long time and always enjoyed your comments. I must have taken your comment wrong. As for the comment from fresh bait, maybe your right but i believe that cocaine is more expensive and so is herion than percs. WAY MORE EXPENSIVE, believe me. Also havent you heard that they addicts enjoy snorting the stuff. whether it be in pill form or not. crushes it make it looks like you are getting more. JMO...But I could be way off base here. However, I BELIEVE THIS WAS DRUG RELATED AND the people who killed them didnt have money to pay for the requested drug that they arranged for Johnny to have there. Also r they sure that Johnny actually picked up LISA at TGIF's?

" Some brand name prescription drugs containing oxycodone as the active ingredient include Percocet, Percodan, Roxicet, OxyContin, and Roxicodone. In southeastern Pennsylvania, users have been witnessed paying $80 for one 80 mg OxyContin pill, which ends up being more expensive than gold. As habits grow, many people switch to heroin because of its availability and attractive lower prices."

We will have to agree to disagree.

Damn, I had no idea that stuff is so expensive. Gold is currently at 1355. for a troy oz. Dunno how much one of these pills weighs. What I DO know is that the international drug trade fuels Wall Street and the stock market (money laundering).

[BoogyWoogy]

and between i think

sorry 39 to 41

BoogyWoogy, it would be very beneficial for others if you'd use the "Quote" option when posting. It's VERY hard to follow what you are talking about!

sorry, i suck at this i never use the pc i peck at it sorry

[browntabby1226]

When they left after the crime they didn't have to worry about running into anyone because the alibi didn't start till the caller was out of site.20 minutes to get home maybe stop for something along the way,talk about what to say and make the call,get high.Maybe wait 2 hours for them to run out of air.Who knows what else just a guess.

[EastCoastKat]

Wow, that LS's exboyfriend BD is a busy, busy boy! He is adding friends like nobody's business!
Funny, I see he and Ms.T have a friend in common, and that friend is friends with everyone, except LS! Funny I thought Ms.T was LS's current boyfriend's friend JC, but she shares a mutal friend with LS's ex BD....things that make you go Hmmmm...