Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[ZEROSPHERES]

Happy Valentines Day everyone.

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p.s. I love this site.

[EastCoastKat]

he alledgedly punched her friend in the stomach

if youre talking about the story i told you... it was JC that punched her friend in the stomach... not the ex BD. sorry for the confusion.

Nothing to be sorry about you were perfectly clear. JC punched the roommate in the stomach and this and all his other antics caused LS to loose the apartment, and I for one, do not blame the roommate for asking LS to leave because of JC's antics!

[EastCoastKat]

Happy Valentines Day to all! Let's hope LE releases some information today.

[EastCoastKat]

Yes lisa ex was there and he was upset.

Thanks for this info Kitty. I am curious if her ex was there or if he was one that wasn't allowed?

i'm not sure about that. there were pics of him there. one of the reasons for the police presence was to keep Maytee and her entourage away

Kitty Again Im sorry for you loss and let me know if I am being out of line with this question. Why did the family not want Maytee there? Just want your opinion on that. I know she had blamed LS (cause of the ex Boyfriend). Maybe I am way out of line..just let me know cuz my heart breaks for you and your friends and the family. Who were LS's heros. (in that book you were talking about) and when did she write the journal or book? Was Nursing something she always wanted to pursue?

lisa's hero was her older sister. i believe she wrote it her senior year. i don't know how long she wanted to be a nurse. i'd rather not reveal more except to say that Maytee is not just acting bizarre because she is grieving. she has always been a nut job!!!!

Yes lisa's ex was there and he seemed to be very upset.

Thanks again Unknown for letting us know this, I don't think he had anything to do with this at all.

As for Maytee, I think it was terrible of her to imply that this happened because of somebody that LS knew and not her son. That would be enough for me as a parent not to want her at any service for LS!

[EastCoastKat]

Thanks! well it IS Valentine's Day. so we should have a love-fest in this thread?

nah. hahahahaha.

but once more i'll remind everyone we change servers today and will have some downtime. it could be long, i just don't know. it's going to be tough! i might have to do things away from computer! OH NO! but i will be watching to see if there is any news on the case.

My cat will happy , he hates it when I am on the computer too long, lol! oh yeah, and my hubby too! But I won't be too happy
Believe it or not, I am never on the computer as much as I have been on Mock!

[Freshbait78]

On a related note the Justice for Johnny and Lisa page was pulled from FB. Apparently the person who started it wasn't on the up and up?

Maytee said - "Iam reporting that justice for johnny and lisa page please friends join me how dare this woman think or even imagine wat i feel or can say i want that page gone she just wants a story ;,,,("

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/RIP-Joh...7417605357

That happened last night while this thread was locked & I was watching it on FB as it happened. The people who created the Justice page (there are 4 admins) make pages like that primarily for missing children. They are not related to any of the cases. I don't know if they asked Maytee 1^st but both RIP JC (created by Maytee) & Maytees personal page have commented plenty on that sight & just yesterday when the creator of the Justice page asked for pictures(to make a slide show), Maytee told the admin to take pictures from her personal FB page so I don't think Maytee had a problem with the FB page.

What happened was that one of the admins saw the comment Maytee made Saturday night about wanting the killers to be chopped up & have acid poured on the them & admin posted that she was pissed & was going to make the page invisible for awhile.

One particular person who posted FREQUENTLY (I wondered if she ever slept) Miranda went off on a tangent which then caused Maytee to go off. When the admin hide the page Maytee began posting on her RIP JC page that she was calling on all of her friends to report the page, she wanted it deleted permanently, she started calling the admins of the Justice page "devils looking for a story" & wished them to hell just like the killers.

The Miranda chick that posts there so much is awful for Maytee. ( I actually blocked her for awhile because I couldnt take her ramblings) If you go to the RIP JC page you will see what I mean. Miranda is in no way affiliated with this case & did not previously know Maytee, she doesn't even live in this state. Yet, she continues to call Maytee momma, tell her how much she loves her & calls the RIP JC page "OUR page" IMO Miranda needs psychological help & she is only making Maytee worse by edging her on. I can see being interested in the case (I am) & feeling compassion for Maytee (I do) but to take what has happened to someone else & make it into YOUR pain, when you do not even have any ties to this is sick IMO. This Miranda lost her 3 year old son, she claims, she says that he drowned. It appears she has never gotten help & for whatever reason she is living out her own pain through this & has found a partner in crime. So now she & Maytee are over on the RIP JC page slinging mud at the creator of the Justice page ( I will most likely be hiding the RIP JC page) I feel sick watching it at this point.

[EastCoastKat]

NO this is GANG related, 2 SOMEBODYS ARE DEAD, HOW IS THAT GETTING AHEAD OF OURSELVES? Ever heard of Tupac Amaru Shakur?? The rap "music" industry uses gangs to promote their stuff, so this is not beyond reason.
PS I am an old liberal

I didn't say it wasn't possibly gang related. I said, I think social engineering/new world order stuff is discussing a paranoid, unrelated theory. I don't think it's paranoid or unrelated to discuss media influence on our collective mentality, which is why I have done so, here. I also pointed out that violence and music have been intertwined for decades.

Speaking of, the pic on the 475 entertainment website is especially chilling in the context of the crimes in question.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1...4139934819

Take a look at an enlarged version if you haven't. Note, they say they're into "Horrorcore."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horrorcore

I apologize Netsleuth, I misinterpreted your post. I thought you were saying that the rap industry doesn't have this type of influence, sorry.

[Lady Cop]

RE: Bait's comment: all kinds of people who have no lives, or have a psychological need to do so, will interject themselves into a case any way they can. so sucking up to maytee gave that woman an "inside" seat and made her feel important.


and oh yes KAT...MOCK can be addictive~~

[EastCoastKat]

From what I can find, JC(RIP) was closely related to a southside gang called LOCZ, or Loc'S. I have seen it spelled with a "z" in quite a few tats. On the legacy page, the comment by his friend VD, is where I was able to narrow down the gang affiliation. VD is the boyfriend of the young lady that commented about being with JC(RIP) the night of the murders. And by the way, she is not a minor. Turned 18 last Dec.

The girl are her initials BA? If this is the same girl I noticed her early on. She is all over the place, friends with everyone!

[EastCoastKat]

I don't know is it's already been said by Unknown, but I did some FB searching and just found TW's underage bf, "ZB". Guess who he is good friends with?
M Paperchasin' whatever.....
Interesting.
I bet LE LOVES all these social networks!

Whoa. The underage bf of TW....(ZB) is related to a "Vasquez" family member.- just caught that on his friends list.
Weirder.

I want to make sure I am looking at the right page, does it say went to the Genoa area?

[Freshbait78]

Thanks for this info Kitty. I am curious if her ex was there or if he was one that wasn't allowed?

i'm not sure about that. there were pics of him there.

I'm fairly stunned about this. Let's see, he had a TRO against him from the family, he alledgedly punched her friend in the stomach, and beat her to where people have claimed on this board that they SAW her beaten, and they have photos of him at the funeral?? Seriously? I see that being wrong on so many levels. The girl lies dead in a casket because of the violence and people she surrounded herself with, and they have pics of her and ANOTHER MAN WHO WAS PHYSICALLY VIOLENT AND STALKING HER at her funeral?? I might be in the minority, but WTF were people thinking? That would be the damn day I would put pics of my daughter and an abusive ex up at her funeral! Jesus. And we wonder why the abuse and degradation of woman continues in this country?? I am really upset that they did that if its true, and please don't post soemthing as trite as "Well, they really loved each other TILL HE BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF HER, they were a great coupld TILL HER PARENTS TOOK OUT A TRO on him for harrassment and trespassing...UGH



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You aren't the minority & I'm glad you said something about this, I noticed it too. As I said previously somewhere in this thread I can't see myself condoning any kind of abusive relationship & if the ex BD is as bad as he was made out to be, why allow him at the funeral & put pictures of them up? If he couldn't show her respect in life, I don't see why he'd be allowed to come show respects in death. JMO

[Red_velvet71]

Wow! this thread gets more interesting by the day. I wish the LE would tell us a little something.

Happy 'V' day mockers.

[Lady Cop]

Belle:
I bet LE LOVES all these social networks!


YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT!! forums too.

[RaisingAPrince]

Thanks for this info Kitty. I am curious if her ex was there or if he was one that wasn't allowed?

i'm not sure about that. there were pics of him there.

I'm fairly stunned about this. Let's see, he had a TRO against him from the family, he alledgedly punched her friend in the stomach, and beat her to where people have claimed on this board that they SAW her beaten, and they have photos of him at the funeral?? Seriously? I see that being wrong on so many levels. The girl lies dead in a casket because of the violence and people she surrounded herself with, and they have pics of her and ANOTHER MAN WHO WAS PHYSICALLY VIOLENT AND STALKING HER at her funeral?? I might be in the minority, but WTF were people thinking? That would be the damn day I would put pics of my daughter and an abusive ex up at her funeral! Jesus. And we wonder why the abuse and degradation of woman continues in this country?? I am really upset that they did that if its true, and please don't post soemthing as trite as "Well, they really loved each other TILL HE BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF HER, they were a great coupld TILL HER PARENTS TOOK OUT A TRO on him for harrassment and trespassing...UGH

You aren't the minority & I'm glad you said something about this, I noticed it too. As I said previously somewhere in this thread I can't see myself condoning any kind of abusive relationship & if the ex BD is as bad as he was made out to be, why allow him at the funeral & put pictures of them up? If he couldn't show her respect in life, I don't see why he'd be allowed to come show respects in death. JMO


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I'm not sure I believe all the "rumors" about the ex. JC's mom is one of the ones saying he was an abusive ex, etc. Perhaps they had a rough relationship. Maybe he was abusive, which is NEVER ok, BUT you have to remember they did have a relationship and I'm sure he cared about her. Even if things didn't end well, he's mourning as well. As far as we know, he hasn't caused any problems with this case.

[Freshbait78]

Thanks for this info Kitty. I am curious if her ex was there or if he was one that wasn't allowed?

i'm not sure about that. there were pics of him there.

I'm fairly stunned about this. Let's see, he had a TRO against him from the family, he alledgedly punched her friend in the stomach, and beat her to where people have claimed on this board that they SAW her beaten, and they have photos of him at the funeral?? Seriously? I see that being wrong on so many levels. The girl lies dead in a casket because of the violence and people she surrounded herself with, and they have pics of her and ANOTHER MAN WHO WAS PHYSICALLY VIOLENT AND STALKING HER at her funeral?? I might be in the minority, but WTF were people thinking? That would be the damn day I would put pics of my daughter and an abusive ex up at her funeral! Jesus. And we wonder why the abuse and degradation of woman continues in this country?? I am really upset that they did that if its true, and please don't post soemthing as trite as "Well, they really loved each other TILL HE BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF HER, they were a great coupld TILL HER PARENTS TOOK OUT A TRO on him for harrassment and trespassing...UGH

You aren't the minority & I'm glad you said something about this, I noticed it too. As I said previously somewhere in this thread I can't see myself condoning any kind of abusive relationship & if the ex BD is as bad as he was made out to be, why allow him at the funeral & put pictures of them up? If he couldn't show her respect in life, I don't see why he'd be allowed to come show respects in death. JMO

I'm not sure I believe all the "rumors" about the ex. JC's mom is one of the ones saying he was an abusive ex, etc. Perhaps they had a rough relationship. Maybe he was abusive, which is NEVER ok, BUT you have to remember they did have a relationship and I'm sure he cared about her. Even if things didn't end well, he's mourning as well. As far as we know, he hasn't caused any problems with this case.
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JC's mom isn't the only one who's said that. There has been atleast one poster here who claims to have known or been in LS's inside circle and said that she came to work with bruises. Actually I think the wording was more along the lines of "beat the Hell up" If that's true then remembering that they had a relationship is irrelevant. As far as I'm concerned any caring he may have had for her became null & void the moment he layed hands on her. That's kinda like saying "sorry I beat the shit out of you BUT I love you" No offence but Fuck that! I'm not claiming he had anything to do with the murders, I don't see any tie to him & TW who I DO believe was involved. I just don't understand why you allow someone at your daughters funeral that reportedly hit her or that you had to take a TPO out on. I don't understand that.

[EastCoastKat]

Thanks for this info Kitty. I am curious if her ex was there or if he was one that wasn't allowed?

i'm not sure about that. there were pics of him there.

I'm fairly stunned about this. Let's see, he had a TRO against him from the family, he alledgedly punched her friend in the stomach, and beat her to where people have claimed on this board that they SAW her beaten, and they have photos of him at the funeral?? Seriously? I see that being wrong on so many levels. The girl lies dead in a casket because of the violence and people she surrounded herself with, and they have pics of her and ANOTHER MAN WHO WAS PHYSICALLY VIOLENT AND STALKING HER at her funeral?? I might be in the minority, but WTF were people thinking? That would be the damn day I would put pics of my daughter and an abusive ex up at her funeral! Jesus. And we wonder why the abuse and degradation of woman continues in this country?? I am really upset that they did that if its true, and please don't post soemthing as trite as "Well, they really loved each other TILL HE BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF HER, they were a great coupld TILL HER PARENTS TOOK OUT A TRO on him for harrassment and trespassing...UGH

You aren't the minority & I'm glad you said something about this, I noticed it too. As I said previously somewhere in this thread I can't see myself condoning any kind of abusive relationship & if the ex BD is as bad as he was made out to be, why allow him at the funeral & put pictures of them up? If he couldn't show her respect in life, I don't see why he'd be allowed to come show respects in death. JMO

I'm not sure I believe all the "rumors" about the ex. JC's mom is one of the ones saying he was an abusive ex, etc. Perhaps they had a rough relationship. Maybe he was abusive, which is NEVER ok, BUT you have to remember they did have a relationship and I'm sure he cared about her. Even if things didn't end well, he's mourning as well. As far as we know, he hasn't caused any problems with this case.
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The Ex BD didn't punch her friend in the stomach, it was JC who allegedly punched her friend/roommate at the time in the stomach, and some other things which led to the friend and LS not being roommates or really friends anymore.

[Lady Cop]

is it just me again, or is the wall at RIP blank?

and no new posts at justice for johnny yet?

http://www.facebook.com/pages/RIP-Johnny...357?v=wall

[sharit]

Thanks for this info Kitty. I am curious if her ex was there or if he was one that wasn't allowed?

i'm not sure about that. there were pics of him there.

I'm fairly stunned about this. Let's see, he had a TRO against him from the family, he alledgedly punched her friend in the stomach, and beat her to where people have claimed on this board that they SAW her beaten, and they have photos of him at the funeral?? Seriously? I see that being wrong on so many levels. The girl lies dead in a casket because of the violence and people she surrounded herself with, and they have pics of her and ANOTHER MAN WHO WAS PHYSICALLY VIOLENT AND STALKING HER at her funeral?? I might be in the minority, but WTF were people thinking? That would be the damn day I would put pics of my daughter and an abusive ex up at her funeral! Jesus. And we wonder why the abuse and degradation of woman continues in this country?? I am really upset that they did that if its true, and please don't post soemthing as trite as "Well, they really loved each other TILL HE BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF HER, they were a great coupld TILL HER PARENTS TOOK OUT A TRO on him for harrassment and trespassing...UGH

You aren't the minority & I'm glad you said something about this, I noticed it too. As I said previously somewhere in this thread I can't see myself condoning any kind of abusive relationship & if the ex BD is as bad as he was made out to be, why allow him at the funeral & put pictures of them up? If he couldn't show her respect in life, I don't see why he'd be allowed to come show respects in death. JMO


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totally agree with you. i would not have allowed him there either!

[RaisingAPrince]

Thanks for this info Kitty. I am curious if her ex was there or if he was one that wasn't allowed?

i'm not sure about that. there were pics of him there.

I'm fairly stunned about this. Let's see, he had a TRO against him from the family, he alledgedly punched her friend in the stomach, and beat her to where people have claimed on this board that they SAW her beaten, and they have photos of him at the funeral?? Seriously? I see that being wrong on so many levels. The girl lies dead in a casket because of the violence and people she surrounded herself with, and they have pics of her and ANOTHER MAN WHO WAS PHYSICALLY VIOLENT AND STALKING HER at her funeral?? I might be in the minority, but WTF were people thinking? That would be the damn day I would put pics of my daughter and an abusive ex up at her funeral! Jesus. And we wonder why the abuse and degradation of woman continues in this country?? I am really upset that they did that if its true, and please don't post soemthing as trite as "Well, they really loved each other TILL HE BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF HER, they were a great coupld TILL HER PARENTS TOOK OUT A TRO on him for harrassment and trespassing...UGH

You aren't the minority & I'm glad you said something about this, I noticed it too. As I said previously somewhere in this thread I can't see myself condoning any kind of abusive relationship & if the ex BD is as bad as he was made out to be, why allow him at the funeral & put pictures of them up? If he couldn't show her respect in life, I don't see why he'd be allowed to come show respects in death. JMO

I'm not sure I believe all the "rumors" about the ex. JC's mom is one of the ones saying he was an abusive ex, etc. Perhaps they had a rough relationship. Maybe he was abusive, which is NEVER ok, BUT you have to remember they did have a relationship and I'm sure he cared about her. Even if things didn't end well, he's mourning as well. As far as we know, he hasn't caused any problems with this case.

JC's mom isn't the only one who's said that. There has been atleast one poster here who claims to have known or been in LS's inside circle and said that she came to work with bruises. Actually I think the wording was more along the lines of "beat the Hell up" If that's true then remembering that they had a relationship is irrelevant. As far as I'm concerned any caring he may have had for her became null & void the moment he layed hands on her. That's kinda like saying "sorry I beat the shit out of you BUT I love you" No offence but Fuck that! I'm not claiming he had anything to do with the murders, I don't see any tie to him & TW who I DO believe was involved. I just don't understand why you allow someone at your daughters funeral that reportedly hit her or that you had to take a TPO out on. I don't understand that.
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"There has been atleast one poster here who claims to have known or been in LS's inside circle and said that she came to work with bruises."

All claims. All I'm saying is there's no proof anywhere that he did in fact beat her. He, just like any other friends she had, is mourning and IMO should be able to pay is respects.

As of now, it's all hearsay. I do not recall seeing the ex having any reports filed against him for hitting her. Correct me if I'm wrong. The TPO doesn't prove to me that he was hitting her, perhaps her parents had an issue with him and didn't want him around? None of us know the true story. I just don't see where it's the worst thing in the world for him to be at her funeral paying his respects.

[Freshbait78]

is it just me again, or is the wall at RIP blank?

and no new posts at justice for johnny yet?

http://www.facebook.com/pages/RIP-Johnny...357?v=wall

It's just you. I can see everything. Nothing new of value to report though. The only thing new on RIP JC is Maytees usual ;,,,,( & on the Justice page, Admin posted a screen shot of the comment of Maytees that said she was blocking the Justice page. Admin is attempting to explain why Maytee is no longer on or permitted to post there.