Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[EastCoastKat]

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It was posted here a page or two back. Here it is again.

(click on the column headings text to sort by that column)
Case Number Defendant Date of Birth Charge
CRA-07-13713-0103 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 TRAFFICKING IN DRUGS SELL OR OFFER TO SELL
CRA-07-13713-0203 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 POSSESSION OF DRUGS OBTAIN POSSESS OR USE A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
CRA-07-13713-0303 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 PERMITTING DRUG ABUSE amended from POSSESSION OF DRUGS OBTAIN POSSESS OR USE A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
CRB-08-16956-0102 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 DISORDERLY CONDUCT amended from ENDANGER CHILDREN;CREATE SUBSTANTIAL RISK TO HEALTH OR SAFTETY
CRB-08-16956-0202 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 DISORDERLY CONDUCT amended from OBSTRUCTING OFFICIAL BUSINESS
CRB-09-09136-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 PETTY THEFT WITH PURPOSE TO DEPRIVE KNOWINGLY OBTAIN OR EXERT CONTROL WITHOUT CONSENT OF OWNER
CRB-09-09470-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 UNAUTHORIZED USE OF PROPERTY;KNOWINGLY USE OR OPERATE WITHOUT CONSENT OF OWNER OR AUTHORIZED PERSON amended from THEFT WITH PURPOSE TO DEPRIVE KNOWINGLY OBTAIN OR EXERT CONTROL WITHOUT CONSENT OF OWNER
CRB-10-16129-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 FALSE INFORMATION TO A POLICE OFFICER
TRD-04-03596-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/17/1985 ABILITY TO STOP IN ASSURED CLEAR DISTANCE
TRD-06-00693-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/17/1985 MAXIMUM SPEEDS: EXCEED 60 MPH ON INTERSTATE SYSTEM
TRD-09-11377-0103 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 FAILURE TO STOP AFTER ACCIDENT ON STREET
TRD-09-11377-0203 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 LICENSE REQUIRED;DRIVING WITHOUT LICENSE
TRD-09-11377-0303 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 STARTING AND BACKING VEHICLES
TRD-10-10829-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 DISPLAY OF LICENSE PLATE;WHEN EXPIRED
TRD-10-20840-0103 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 DISPLAY OF LICENSE;FAILURE TO DISPLAY LICENSE WHEN DEMAND IS PROPERLY MADE
TRD-10-20840-0203 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 TWO HEADLIGHTS REQUIRED ON VEHICLE OTHER THAN MOTORCYCLE
TRD-10-20840-0303 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 BROKEN, CRACKED, NONTRANSPARENT GLASS

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TW's rapsheet.

I am going to post this again, because I think TW is extremely streetwise and even dangerous to someone like LS and she is not just some naive young woman who has never been questioned about a crime before and maybe some newer mockers haven't seen this, in fact, I didn't see this until a day or two ago. This rapsheet fly's in the face of TW being someone who doesn't think on her feet when being questioned by cops or anyone else, just maybe, and I mean maybe never about a murder before but after learning things about her dead exbf I am not even sure about that.

[Lady Cop]

i thought the reward increase was due to private donations.
and it will grow. i wonder if any of the insiders with dirty hands think it's worth 10K to possibly go to prison for life. someone knows, more than one someone knows because of street talk. they'll spill. maybe for more money. or when the heat gets turned up.

TOLEDO, OHIO -- A reward fund has grown to $10,000 in the case of a young couple found dead inside a Holland home in January.
The bodies of Straub and her boyfriend, Johnny Clarke, 21, were found inside Straub's parent's Springfield Township home, hands bound and with bags placed over their heads, in the early morning hours of Monday, Jan. 31.

On the same day Straub's family laid her to rest on Feb. 9, family members set up a reward fund to help lead to the capture of the people responsible for the heinous killings. That fund has now grown to $10,000. Donations to the "Lisa Straub Benefit Fund" continue to be accepted at all area Fifth Third Bank branches.

The Lucas County Sheriff's Office is also offering a reward to anyone with information that leads them to the perpetrator(s) of the murders.

[EastCoastKat]

I also think that JC was trying to change, but that life of fast money for illegal stuff is hard to kick and the friends and enemies that come with it are even harder to kick. I would like to think that LS was JC ticket to change, but we will never know that because some sicko somebodies decided that these 2 people's lives were worth about $40, or that revenge was sweeter?? It's sickening....and TW, well I guess everyone here knows what I think about her role in all of this and she should speak up if she didn't know that it was going to go as far as it did, and I do believe that she probably didn't know the sick depth of who she was dealing with or maybe covering for now, a sociopath is a sociopath and if they threatened TW I am sure she knows what they are capable of now and what they could do to her and her family, so her best bet would be to go to LE and take what she can, if it is gang related, maybe Witness Protection would give her a new start somewhere, but she really needs to tell LE everything she knows before they shut her up some other way. JMO

Come on LE what is going on>???

[Wish.I.was.a.P.I]

ALSO TW almost screws up her alibi...she starts to say Johnny say I am on the phone to someone then she changes it....listen again see if you here that

I noticed TW hemmin and hawin, she changes from talking to LS then to JS then she says they all hung up but she called JS right back and heard the altercation. It seems to me she is concealing some facts and being vague and non-specific so she has wiggle room to answer some followup question predicated on her previous statements that could corner her.

Like she is thinking....I wondered who I was on the phone 1^st with. and she has to clearly point out..I worried about my friends....WHY would you think I had anything to do with it? Please listen to it again..see if you hear her say about what she heard Johnny say... I swear she went to say.. I AM ON THE PHONE WITH YOUR ....and then she changes it. mmm its interesting.

I listened again and this is as best as i can make out what she is saying to 911.

TW...O.K.Hello
911...Whats going on there?
TW...My friend Johnny and Lisa they were suppose to me up. me and my friend. This was at around 11 oclock and I was on the phone with his girl frien Lisa and he hung up and we all hung up. And then I called Johnny right back cause I was gonna tell him that I was gonna run to the store and I would meet him at the house......well he was yellin at some one like um saying "bro...who are you?"

Not sure where you are hearing her stopping from saying one thing and switching to to another....so far all I get is a story being related with alot of stops and I get a sense that there is discomfort relating the details. I can't venture a guess at why this discomfort is there. Could it be because she was just accused of setting JS up? If so a person realizing they are in the hot seat could begin to stammer, wondering if those acusations were going to be leveled at her again and anything she was saying was going to used to support those acusations and further incriminate her.

This is what I heard:

I was on the phone with his gf Ls and HE ( TW says he but meant she, okay honest mistake) hung up, we all hung up, (myabe this was 3 way call?) and then he, I called jc right back I was gonna tell him that I was gonna run to the store and I would meet him at the house.. he was yellin at someone like "I'm on (she starts to say something else here)... he goes..bro who are you.. I called him right back and he didn't answer.

Ok, wait a minute....there is one thing mentioned in here that I never heard before "I would meet him at the house".....This changes alot!! If this is true, then she wasn't trying to get him out of the house so the robbery could happen/continue as thought before, this would indicate she wanted him to stay at the house which, makes no sense if she was aware that a robbery was happening or about to happen.

I'm thinking these people were already in the house when Johnny and Lisa got home. In regards to her also saying that she heard Johnny say "I'm on the"....he could have been saying "I'm on the phone with the cops" to try and scare the perps. Also, knowing there was holes punched in the walls, major ransacking in the bedroom etc, it sounds like this may have taken some time to do and could give motive as to why they killed them...if they kept saying "There is no safe" it could have simply pissed the perps off so much because they thought for sure there was a safe that they tortured them each time to get them to talk and finally just killed them. Another thing...Unknown mentioned awhile back that there was a white van (I believe) in the neighborhood days before...central security has white vans (I think)...is it possible someone they were aquanited with worked for central security?? Unknown mentioned in that same post that the wires had been cut.....someone had to know where the wires were, and have wirecutters.

I also just wanted to say that creeping through facebbok/my space/ and many other things, I am so saddened to see the lives all these kids live.

[pspence]

No one ever said she wasn't street wise or was an angel...but look at the dates of those incidents...she has CHANGED!

[RaisingAPrince]

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub
I see that Tiffany Williams has "liked" our page. Welcome, Tiffany! I'd like to give you the opportunity to answer some questions so you can help people better understand what happened the night Johnny and Lisa were murdered. I'm sure you've been really frustrated with all the gossip going around. Are you willing to answer questions?
16 minutes ago

[Lady Cop]

No one ever said she wasn't street wise or was an angel...but look at the dates of those incidents...she has CHANGED!

do you know her? i know you defend her and that's fine, she can use all the friends she can get right now.

to me: Res Ipsa Loquitur...the thing speaks for itself.

[ZEROSPHERES]

No one ever said she wasn't street wise or was an angel...but look at the dates of those incidents...she has CHANGED!

how recent would this offense be?

CRB-10-16129-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 FALSE INFORMATION TO A POLICE OFFICER

[ZEROSPHERES]

No one ever said she wasn't street wise or was an angel...but look at the dates of those incidents...she has CHANGED!

how recent would this offense be?

CRB-10-16129-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 FALSE INFORMATION TO A POLICE OFFICER

has she elaborated to you what unfolded that night?

i see her as being uneasy on the phone with 911 because Maytee has just accused her of complicity:...."....so far all I get is a story being related with alot of stops and I get a sense that there is discomfort relating the details. I can't venture a guess at why this discomfort is there. Could it be because she was just accused of setting JS up? If so a person realizing they are in the hot seat could begin to stammer, wondering if those acusations were going to be leveled at her again and anything she was saying was going to used to support those acusations and further incriminate her."

[BlueTiki]

I also think that JC was trying to change, but that life of fast money for illegal stuff is hard to kick and the friends and enemies that come with it are even harder to kick.

There's an old adage addressing change: "You gotta change your playmates AND your playgrounds."

With the cast of "characters" involved in this "drama", it, unfortunately, seems unlikely.

The sandbox is full of turds and it appears they don't mind the smell.

[EastCoastKat]

I noticed TW hemmin and hawin, she changes from talking to LS then to JS then she says they all hung up but she called JS right back and heard the altercation. It seems to me she is concealing some facts and being vague and non-specific so she has wiggle room to answer some followup question predicated on her previous statements that could corner her.

Like she is thinking....I wondered who I was on the phone 1^st with. and she has to clearly point out..I worried about my friends....WHY would you think I had anything to do with it? Please listen to it again..see if you hear her say about what she heard Johnny say... I swear she went to say.. I AM ON THE PHONE WITH YOUR ....and then she changes it. mmm its interesting.

I listened again and this is as best as i can make out what she is saying to 911.

TW...O.K.Hello
911...Whats going on there?
TW...My friend Johnny and Lisa they were suppose to me up. me and my friend. This was at around 11 oclock and I was on the phone with his girl frien Lisa and he hung up and we all hung up. And then I called Johnny right back cause I was gonna tell him that I was gonna run to the store and I would meet him at the house......well he was yellin at some one like um saying "bro...who are you?"

Not sure where you are hearing her stopping from saying one thing and switching to to another....so far all I get is a story being related with alot of stops and I get a sense that there is discomfort relating the details. I can't venture a guess at why this discomfort is there. Could it be because she was just accused of setting JS up? If so a person realizing they are in the hot seat could begin to stammer, wondering if those acusations were going to be leveled at her again and anything she was saying was going to used to support those acusations and further incriminate her.

This is what I heard:

I was on the phone with his gf Ls and HE ( TW says he but meant she, okay honest mistake) hung up, we all hung up, (myabe this was 3 way call?) and then he, I called jc right back I was gonna tell him that I was gonna run to the store and I would meet him at the house.. he was yellin at someone like "I'm on (she starts to say something else here)... he goes..bro who are you.. I called him right back and he didn't answer.

Ok, wait a minute....there is one thing mentioned in here that I never heard before "I would meet him at the house".....This changes alot!! If this is true, then she wasn't trying to get him out of the house so the robbery could happen/continue as thought before, this would indicate she wanted him to stay at the house which, makes no sense if she was aware that a robbery was happening or about to happen.

I'm thinking these people were already in the house when Johnny and Lisa got home. In regards to her also saying that she heard Johnny say "I'm on the"....he could have been saying "I'm on the phone with the cops" to try and scare the perps. Also, knowing there was holes punched in the walls, major ransacking in the bedroom etc, it sounds like this may have taken some time to do and could give motive as to why they killed them...if they kept saying "There is no safe" it could have simply pissed the perps off so much because they thought for sure there was a safe that they tortured them each time to get them to talk and finally just killed them. Another thing...Unknown mentioned awhile back that there was a white van (I believe) in the neighborhood days before...central security has white vans (I think)...is it possible someone they were aquanited with worked for central security?? Unknown mentioned in that same post that the wires had been cut.....someone had to know where the wires were, and have wirecutters.

I also just wanted to say that creeping through facebbok/my space/ and many other things, I am so saddened to see the lives all these kids live.

"I would meet him at the house"

She says this after she knows what has gone down, after she hear this supposed altercation. IF you believe anything TW said, that's the question. What's the truth, what's mixed with the truth...remember the best liars mix enough truth with their lies to make them SEEM believable.

[doing40thisyear]

From reading her bizarre method of writing down her so-called "thoughts" on her webpage, I am wondering whether her discomfort may have simply arisen from trying to speak English and to sound like a normal person while speaking to an authority figure like a 911 operator?


[/quote] LOL. Isnt that the truth! I afraid to say that I have hard time trying to figure out what she is writing on her facebook as well.

[Gloria]

as for tiffany being on justice for Johnny...well if all those people there believe it is her, then i have some nice swampland in florida that i'm selling. in fact, i am not really LC, i am actually the Pope. further, if it IS tiffany offering herself up to the expert interrogation of facebook members, she's even dumber than i thought. she can come over here and let me interview her. [/b]

The Tiffany Williams who has liked the Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub Facebook page is most certainly the same Tiffany Williams who has been the topic of conversation here:http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001607123436#!/profile.php?id=100000705403254

Pictured in her profile photo is her boyfriendhttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001607123436
06/26/1940 BROKEN, CRACKED, NONTRANSPARENT GLASS

SOURCE: http://www.tmc-clerk.com/criminaltraffic/Default.aspx

[EastCoastKat]

No one ever said she wasn't street wise or was an angel...but look at the dates of those incidents...she has CHANGED!

how recent would this offense be?

CRB-10-16129-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 FALSE INFORMATION TO A POLICE OFFICER

2010 (10 being the year of the offense)

[Lady Cop]

hello Gloria~~welcome~~

[EastCoastKat]

No one ever said she wasn't street wise or was an angel...but look at the dates of those incidents...she has CHANGED!

how recent would this offense be?

CRB-10-16129-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 FALSE INFORMATION TO A POLICE OFFICER

2010 (10 being the year of the offense)

Here are the details:

CRB-10-16129-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 FALSE INFORMATION TO A POLICE OFFICER

Journal Details
Date Activity Record
10/05/2010 Affidavit Filed 10/05/2010 06:21. Warrant returned, service made. Defendant arrested and booked into Lucas County Corrections Center on 10/05/2010 00:30, Booking Number LCCC0757693. Scheduled for arraignment on 10/05/2010 09:00 in court room 4. Clerk entry
View Scanned Document
10/05/2010 Bond set from bond schedule at $ 500.00. Clerk entry
10/05/2010 Defendant present. JUDGE GORMAN
10/05/2010 Defendant enters plea of no contest. JUDGE GORMAN
10/05/2010 Defendant found guilty by judge. JUDGE GORMAN
10/05/2010 Defendant sentenced to 2 days in CORRECTIONS CENTER OF NORTHWEST OHIO. Credit for time served in custody. JUDGE GORMAN

[ZEROSPHERES]

Methusala
From reading her bizarre method of writing down her so-called "thoughts" on her webpage, I am wondering whether her discomfort may have simply arisen from trying to speak English and to sound like a normal person while speaking to an authority figure like a 911 operator?

LOL. Isnt that the truth! I afraid to say that I have hard time trying to figure out what she is writing on her facebook as well.


[/quote]

Both you and Methusala don.t see TW as a victim of circumstances. I feel TW tries to stay in her comfort zone by being cryptic and that could explain her mysterious writing style....

from an earlier response to Metuslas post: "I feel that TWs personality has developed by learning that being truthful puts you at a disadvantage. Especially when you are surrounded by "bros" and the company they keep."

[Lady Cop]

FALSE INFORMATION TO A POLICE OFFICER

that is often a fake ID situation. or giving the wrong name in an inquiry of some sort.

[Gloria]

The number after CMB represents the year of the charge. You can confirm this by looking up John Clarke. By setting your search results to January 1, 1980 to present, you will observe the older the John is, the "further back" the number following CMB will be.

Here: http://www.tmc-clerk.com/criminaltraffic/Default.aspx

[ZEROSPHERES]

No one ever said she wasn't street wise or was an angel...but look at the dates of those incidents...she has CHANGED!

how recent would this offense be?

CRB-10-16129-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 FALSE INFORMATION TO A POLICE OFFICER

2010 (10 being the year of the offense)

Here are the details:

CRB-10-16129-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 FALSE INFORMATION TO A POLICE OFFICER

Journal Details
Date Activity Record
10/05/2010 Affidavit Filed 10/05/2010 06:21. Warrant returned, service made. Defendant arrested and booked into Lucas County Corrections Center on 10/05/2010 00:30, Booking Number LCCC0757693. Scheduled for arraignment on 10/05/2010 09:00 in court room 4. Clerk entry
View Scanned Document
10/05/2010 Bond set from bond schedule at $ 500.00. Clerk entry
10/05/2010 Defendant present. JUDGE GORMAN
10/05/2010 Defendant enters plea of no contest. JUDGE GORMAN
10/05/2010 Defendant found guilty by judge. JUDGE GORMAN
10/05/2010 Defendant sentenced to 2 days in CORRECTIONS CENTER OF NORTHWEST OHIO. Credit for time served in custody. JUDGE GORMAN

Then this certainly challenges "pspence" when she declares.."No one ever said she wasn't street wise or was an angel...but look at the dates of those incidents...she has CHANGED!"