(02-17-2011, 03:47 AM)efyou Wrote: Post #20 in this thread is where it first gets brought up here.
That post was altered by I think by LC and it directs the reader to this site which has been rendered useless..
LC would it be ok to fix this link now that time has passed?
If you're talking just about the comments from the *grieving friend* I found 3 of them that I can post if you would like? Although I don't think there was much said that we don't already know.
(02-17-2011, 03:47 AM)efyou Wrote: Post #20 in this thread is where it first gets brought up here.
That post was altered by I think by LC and it directs the reader to this site which has been rendered useless..
LC would it be ok to fix this link now that time has passed?
If you're talking just about the comments from the *grieving friend* I found 3 of them that I can post if you would like? Although I don't think there was much said that we don't already know.
Yes Thanks "aileen"
And can "KIP" post what he sent as an email on this board or please send me that email too
(02-17-2011, 11:59 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: I never got to read "Grieving Friend" either, I didn't copy it fast enough, lol!
Here's what I found...
Grieving Friend said:
Some of this information is true, some of it isn't.
I personally knew Lisa very well. Her boyfriend was involved in dealing drugs. This does not mean he deserved to be violently murdered. Does the motive for the murder have anything to do with drugs or drug money? No one knows. It is a very real possibility, but not guaranteed, and all leads are obviously being investigated.
Also, the home belonged to Lisa's parents, Jeff and MaryBeth, not Johnny, as it says in the article above.
The 911 phone call from John's mother said that she knew something was wrong due to a phone call from a friend of John's. Apparently Lisa and John were to pick up this friend and John was calling her to tell her they were leaving the house. At that time the friend heard the phone drop to the ground and John asking questions like "who are you" and "what are you doing here, what do you want?". At that point the friend contacted John's mom, and this is how she knew.
This is an extremely tragic situation. Lisa had tons of friends, mostly young, vulnerable adults, all of whom are psychological affected by this gruesome event, including myself. Please do not mar it further with false, baseless information and speculation.
My prayers for Lisa and John to whoever is listening.
Posted 02/01/2011 at 10:08:48 PM
Grieving Friend said:
@Aussie. No. Having digital scales in your kitchen doesn't mean you're a drug dealer. Being a known drug dealer and owning TWO digital scales only pushes the fact that you're a drug dealer. And obviously there are other pieces of evidence besides the scales. He dealt. I'm a 19 year old friend of Lisa's and I know it. All of his and her friends know it. Stop pretending drugs aren't part of his past or present, because they were. It's out in the open. And no, this doesn't mean there's something I know that I'm not telling. I'm sick of hearing that. It means that I know he was a drug dealer, which I'm sure the cops have been told numerous times. So please, stop defending his actions. No he didn't deserve to die. No she didn't necessarily die because of him. That's not what I'm saying. Start being realistic. If drugs were a factor in their deaths, so be it. If not, so be it, but I wish people would stop acting like he was an angel (though he surely is now). He had issues, he went to jail for it. After jail he was still involved in drugs despite being on probation. Maybe he was trying to get his act together. Whatever. Clearly there were some things he was still working on. Had he been here longer, he might have gotten a chance to grow up and out of the dangerous lifestyle he was living.
Posted 02/07/2011 at 05:41:33 PM
Grieving Friend said:
@tamo2000 Lisa was truly a free spirit, she did what she wanted. She was just such a sweet and caring person, which is why her death is so painful to those close to her. I don't want to dump on her life, but she had been traveling down the wrronggg path for a very long time. Her parents struggled to control her. She was young but old enough to make her own decisions at this point. It's a shame she couldn't see clearer. I don't know what she was like when she was very young, but I hear she was a wild child. Always happy, but wild.
(02-17-2011, 11:59 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: I never got to read "Grieving Friend" either, I didn't copy it fast enough, lol!
i'm pretty sure that "grieving friend" and xxx are one in the same. They both posted the same info about Mr.Z calling her mom looking for money!!!!!!!!!!! diddn't anyone else catch that? The original post was on WS forum. it was removed. someone cut and pasted it to another forum where it still is (MDS)post 112 page 5. grieving friend also posted on TCR. the mother of grieving friend is friends with Mr Z's mom. the mother of xxx is friends with mr Z's mom
(02-17-2011, 11:59 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: I never got to read "Grieving Friend" either, I didn't copy it fast enough, lol!
Here's what I found...
Grieving Friend said:
Some of this information is true, some of it isn't.
I personally knew Lisa very well. Her boyfriend was involved in dealing drugs. This does not mean he deserved to be violently murdered. Does the motive for the murder have anything to do with drugs or drug money? No one knows. It is a very real possibility, but not guaranteed, and all leads are obviously being investigated.
Also, the home belonged to Lisa's parents, Jeff and MaryBeth, not Johnny, as it says in the article above.
The 911 phone call from John's mother said that she knew something was wrong due to a phone call from a friend of John's. Apparently Lisa and John were to pick up this friend and John was calling her to tell her they were leaving the house. At that time the friend heard the phone drop to the ground and John asking questions like "who are you" and "what are you doing here, what do you want?". At that point the friend contacted John's mom, and this is how she knew.
This is an extremely tragic situation. Lisa had tons of friends, mostly young, vulnerable adults, all of whom are psychological affected by this gruesome event, including myself. Please do not mar it further with false, baseless information and speculation.
My prayers for Lisa and John to whoever is listening.
Posted 02/01/2011 at 10:08:48 PM
Grieving Friend said:
@Aussie. No. Having digital scales in your kitchen doesn't mean you're a drug dealer. Being a known drug dealer and owning TWO digital scales only pushes the fact that you're a drug dealer. And obviously there are other pieces of evidence besides the scales. He dealt. I'm a 19 year old friend of Lisa's and I know it. All of his and her friends know it. Stop pretending drugs aren't part of his past or present, because they were. It's out in the open. And no, this doesn't mean there's something I know that I'm not telling. I'm sick of hearing that. It means that I know he was a drug dealer, which I'm sure the cops have been told numerous times. So please, stop defending his actions. No he didn't deserve to die. No she didn't necessarily die because of him. That's not what I'm saying. Start being realistic. If drugs were a factor in their deaths, so be it. If not, so be it, but I wish people would stop acting like he was an angel (though he surely is now). He had issues, he went to jail for it. After jail he was still involved in drugs despite being on probation. Maybe he was trying to get his act together. Whatever. Clearly there were some things he was still working on. Had he been here longer, he might have gotten a chance to grow up and out of the dangerous lifestyle he was living.
Posted 02/07/2011 at 05:41:33 PM
Grieving Friend said:
@tamo2000 Lisa was truly a free spirit, she did what she wanted. She was just such a sweet and caring person, which is why her death is so painful to those close to her. I don't want to dump on her life, but she had been traveling down the wrronggg path for a very long time. Her parents struggled to control her. She was young but old enough to make her own decisions at this point. It's a shame she couldn't see clearer. I don't know what she was like when she was very young, but I hear she was a wild child. Always happy, but wild.
Posted 02/08/2011 at 02:09:19 AM
So sad, but this is a lot of what we thought here anyway. I really, really feel bad for JC's parents and LS's parents OMG, I couldn't even imagine going into my kitchen where something so absolutely terrifying and horrible like this happened to one of my children, I would be certifiable!!
I think it's becoming more clear as to why this isn't getting solved as quickly as we would like...
it's a parade of criminals... the next one more fucked up then the first!
(02-17-2011, 11:59 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: I never got to read "Grieving Friend" either, I didn't copy it fast enough, lol!
i'm pretty sure that "grieving friend" and are one in the same. They both posted the same info about Mr.Z calling her mom looking for money!!!!!!!!!!! diddn't anyone else catch that? The original post was on WS forum. it was removed. someone cut and pasted it to another forum where it still is (MDS)post 112 page 5. grieving friend also posted on TCR. the mother of grieving friend is friends with Mr Z's mom. the mother of xxx is friends with mr Z's mom
post112 page 5 as kitty1 above mentioned...
am a grieving friend. I have a lot of information on this case. I am writing to get my own emotion off my chest and get any information from you (the people). Where to start,
Part 1: My mother gets a phone call around 10:00pm Sunday night from a guy by the name Mr.Z who dates the girl who was on the phone with johnny at 11:00pm the night the murders took place. Mr.Z was trying to borrow money from my mom and said it was for diapers for his child that he's going to be watching within the next couple of days. My mom who is a friend of his mom knows that he has a percocet addiction so she says no that she had no money, she had bills to pay earlier that day. The next day I get a phone call letting me know what happened to Lisa, and I call my mom grieving and telling her what happened and she lets me know that Mr.Z just had the cops over his house and had taken him downtown. Since Mr.Z phone was the last one to talk to Johnny. She then lets me know he was trying to get money off her that night.
Part 2: The girl who was on the phone with Johnny. We'll call her Ms.T I have been over to Mr.Z house over the years since he lives with his mom and I help her out on occasions. Well over the past few weeks I've gone over there she had first let me know that Mr.Z was dating a heroin dealer by the name of Ms.T. I was like wow. She said she buys him whatever he wants. New shoes, clothing, dinners. Problem is Mr.Z likes to run all over his mom so she lets him get away with about anything. About 2 weeks ago I go over there and she tells me hes been doing really bad and has been going through withdraws from percocet.
Part 3: The 911 calls were released. I listened to them and Johnny's mother said that Ms.T had talked to her son cause they were going to hang out over at Lisa parents and they were waiting to be picked up. Ms.T said she was on the phone with Johnny and heard the saying from the paper that was:'Who are you? What do you want? What are you doing here? (which that isn't what was said I come to find out. I'll address that next. She says she heard the phone drop and then the phone went dead. We'll the mother states Ms.T drove to the house (w/ Mr.Z) and tried to ring the door bell a bunch of times and had no answer so she then called a girl named Shirita who then called a Ruben who then called the mother. Which then the mother contacted the police at 1:21 a.m. So, here's what I'm getting, at 11:00 o'clock Ms. T hears the robbery taking place so she drives over to Lisa's house which its a 20 min drive from South St. rings the door bell and no one answers? So she stays there and calls here friend Shirita instead of calling the cops? Well Ms.T and Mr.Z leave the scene and somehow gets a hold of Johnny's dad which they go pick him up then drive back to the house which the cops show about then.
Part. 4: Wednesday the 2nd I get a phone call from Mr.Z's mom asking for help with a phone she found in her room and that her laptop was stolen right out her bedroom with the case. Like someone in the house had the time to package it all up and then take it. I say it was probably your son since he a percaddicit, she agreed. She asked me how I was doing and I said I'm upset over what happened to Lisa she says yea Mr.Z had the cops over there since Johnny was Mr.Z's best friend and that Ms.T was on the phone with Johnny at the time it happen. I thought here's my chance to ask whatever I can to get whatever info that Mr.Z and told his Mom. So I began asking questions. I asked what did she say to you when she was on the phone with Johnny? She said Johnny said first, "Hey bro, what are you doing here?" like in a more serious tone. Then Johnny says, "Who, the **** are you!" and she couldn't hear what they were saying that Johnny started yelling, then the phone went dead. I asked could she hear Lisa, she said no she didn't hear anything from Lisa. I asked "How were they found? Do you know?" She said bound up with electrical cords with bags over their heads. Stunned that she said electrical cords. I said yea I listened to the 911 calls and Johnny's mom said that she could see them bound up with Johnny's phone on him. I said if Ms.T said the phone dropped why was the phone on him? She states yes he had his phone on his chest with his wallet also on his chest. Just stunned that she knew this information. I said, "I knew Lisa but I didn't know Mr. Z knew Lisa." She said that Johnny had been dating her over the past few months and introduced her to percocet, that the group of them had been doing. She also stated Johnny had called Mr.Z a few nights before the murders occured and said that the parents were going out of town for a week and that they had a nice house with a pool table. She said Mr.Z went over to the house the night before the murders occurred and that they were probably doing percocets. She also said Johnny had called Mr.Z that day looking to see if he could find percocets for him. So Johnny had enough money on him that day to buy percocets and before Ms.T called Johnny that night, Mr.Z had called my mom one hour prior, looking to get money from her and he couldn't get it. If he was supppose to get money from my mom, who lives 20 minutes away from Mr. Z, why would he leave to get the money if he was getting picked up by Johnny and Lisa? He would have already of had a way to get to Lisa's house, which would mean he wouldn't have needed a ride to get there.
In my opinion, Ms.T and Mr.Z were feining for percocet, they didn't have the cash to get it, Johnny probably already found percocets. If Johnny already had the percocet and didn't share with Mr.Z, that pissed him off or just couldn't pay him for it so the two went over to the house in Mr.Z's mom's car. They already knew the layout from the night before. They either went through the garage door which was probably left open from when Lisa and Johnny got home and parked Lisa's car in the garage. The door opens into the kitchen which is normally never locked and that's where everything took place. Johnny saw Mr.Z and said bro, what are you doing here and Mr.Z said I got the money even though he didn't. Johnny turned around and Mr.Z pistol whipped him knocking Johnny out. Mr.Z put the bag over Johnny's head cause, yes it was his friend and he didn't want to see his face and the look on Johnny's face for what he was going to do there. They either took the percs and then searched through the house for whatever money they could find, then went out through the garage, shutting it behind them then called Shirita and made up the story about how she was on the phone with Johnny and heard a robbery. Shirita called Ruben, who then called Johnny's mom. Ms.T and Mr.Z get a hold of Johnny's dad and leave the scene and show back up with the dad to be like, why would we do it and then go get the father? Then the cops show up 2 hours from the time the murders took place.
does anyone happen to have the text transcript of the 2nd 911 call as to what TW had said to the operator so we can compare to what she stated on here?
(02-17-2011, 10:44 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: I have to agree with LoveHippo and Doing40, and the eating my words part too. IF JC said he would call her back, when did he say that, because she says she tried to call him back. Why did she say she called and texted LS too, right after she and JC were disconnected, and says this quite frantically? She makes it sound like she did it right away and got no response. NOT even an inkling that it was an hour later!
TW: "johnny told me he would call me back.thats why i didnt call anyone.then when a hour went by and he didnt answer"
Versus
911
"i called jc right back to tell him I had to run to the store and that I would meet them at the house and he was yellen at somebody...like umm I'm on.. he goes bro who are you.. and I called him right back he didn't answer...so I texted my friend L's phone and I was where are you are you okay and they didn't anwer...
I texted L
The last I talked to you I heard him arguing..."
And for those who think that it's a matter of semantics or that the details don't count..
Any, any cop worth their salt will tell you...THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS
First, I have to give her credit for coming here and answering some questions, she either very brave, or has a set of steel balls. JMO. Do I think she knew they were going to be murdered, no, did she put her hands on them, no, does she know a hell of a lot more....yep.
Sorry, I'm just not buying what TW is selling....
This is what I have had a problem with - finally someone else sees it!
(02-17-2011, 12:32 PM)fabulous Wrote: I think it's becoming more clear as to why this isn't getting solved as quickly as we would like...
it's a parade of criminals... the next one more fucked up then the first!
Yup, pretty much. SNAFU.
It's the hint of arsenic that gives it that extra kick.
it has not been confirmed here that anyone is in fact "grieving friend." it's pure speculation.
people should not make assumptions or try to find out personal information on other posters here! TiffanyW123 invited questions and scrutiny. xxx has not requested invasion of his/her privacy! i won't tolerate it.
DO NOT EVEN THINK OF INVADING THE PRIVACY OF MEMBERS HERE!
Quote:Tiff why didn't you go in the back to see if you could see anyone or get in the house?
why stay in the front?
My guess is that while the drive and walkway were clear, there was ALOT of snow on the ground. Particularly in the back of a house and she's pregnant, maybe not dressed appropriately with snow boots, and didn't see anyone or anything out of place in the house. It was dark, except for that light on the stairs....no reason to go around back...I don't think I would have.
I know I wouldn't have, especially if I were pregnant..
Poor TW she couldn't walk in the snow to check out things around LS's house when she went there because she's preggers,,,, SHE HAD A YOUNG MAN WITH HER MR. Z, he was the friend with her! Why couldn't Mr. Z check things out around the house? He wasn't preggers! That's who was going over there with her that night.
To xxx are you referring to the "aileen" post above? Is this the post that LC altered the web address because of the danger it posed to innocent parties?
(02-17-2011, 12:56 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: edited for member safety/privacy LC
To xxx are you referring to the "aileen" post above? Is this the post that LC altered the web address because of the danger it posed to innocent parties?
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(02-17-2011, 11:59 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: I never got to read "Grieving Friend" either, I didn't copy it fast enough, lol!
i'm pretty sure that "grieving friend" and xx are one in the same. They both posted the same info about Mr.Z calling her mom looking for money!!!!!!!!!!! diddn't anyone else catch that? The original post was on WS forum. it was removed. someone cut and pasted it to another forum where it still is (MDS)post 112 page 5. grieving friend also posted on TCR. the mother of grieving friend is friends with Mr Z's mom. the mother of xxx is friends with mr Z's mom
post112 page 5 as kitty1 above mentioned...
am a grieving friend. I have a lot of information on this case. I am writing to get my own emotion off my chest and get any information from you (the people). Where to start,
Part 1: My mother gets a phone call around 10:00pm Sunday night from a guy by the name Mr.Z who dates the girl who was on the phone with johnny at 11:00pm the night the murders took place. Mr.Z was trying to borrow money from my mom and said it was for diapers for his child that he's going to be watching within the next couple of days. My mom who is a friend of his mom knows that he has a percocet addiction so she says no that she had no money, she had bills to pay earlier that day. The next day I get a phone call letting me know what happened to Lisa, and I call my mom grieving and telling her what happened and she lets me know that Mr.Z just had the cops over his house and had taken him downtown. Since Mr.Z phone was the last one to talk to Johnny. She then lets me know he was trying to get money off her that night.
Part 2: The girl who was on the phone with Johnny. We'll call her Ms.T I have been over to Mr.Z house over the years since he lives with his mom and I help her out on occasions. Well over the past few weeks I've gone over there she had first let me know that Mr.Z was dating a heroin dealer by the name of Ms.T. I was like wow. She said she buys him whatever he wants. New shoes, clothing, dinners. Problem is Mr.Z likes to run all over his mom so she lets him get away with about anything. About 2 weeks ago I go over there and she tells me hes been doing really bad and has been going through withdraws from percocet.
Part 3: The 911 calls were released. I listened to them and Johnny's mother said that Ms.T had talked to her son cause they were going to hang out over at Lisa parents and they were waiting to be picked up. Ms.T said she was on the phone with Johnny and heard the saying from the paper that was:'Who are you? What do you want? What are you doing here? (which that isn't what was said I come to find out. I'll address that next. She says she heard the phone drop and then the phone went dead. We'll the mother states Ms.T drove to the house (w/ Mr.Z) and tried to ring the door bell a bunch of times and had no answer so she then called a girl named Shirita who then called a Ruben who then called the mother. Which then the mother contacted the police at 1:21 a.m. So, here's what I'm getting, at 11:00 o'clock Ms. T hears the robbery taking place so she drives over to Lisa's house which its a 20 min drive from South St. rings the door bell and no one answers? So she stays there and calls here friend Shirita instead of calling the cops? Well Ms.T and Mr.Z leave the scene and somehow gets a hold of Johnny's dad which they go pick him up then drive back to the house which the cops show about then.
Part. 4: Wednesday the 2nd I get a phone call from Mr.Z's mom asking for help with a phone she found in her room and that her laptop was stolen right out her bedroom with the case. Like someone in the house had the time to package it all up and then take it. I say it was probably your son since he a percaddicit, she agreed. She asked me how I was doing and I said I'm upset over what happened to Lisa she says yea Mr.Z had the cops over there since Johnny was Mr.Z's best friend and that Ms.T was on the phone with Johnny at the time it happen. I thought here's my chance to ask whatever I can to get whatever info that Mr.Z and told his Mom. So I began asking questions. I asked what did she say to you when she was on the phone with Johnny? She said Johnny said first, "Hey bro, what are you doing here?" like in a more serious tone. Then Johnny says, "Who, the **** are you!" and she couldn't hear what they were saying that Johnny started yelling, then the phone went dead. I asked could she hear Lisa, she said no she didn't hear anything from Lisa. I asked "How were they found? Do you know?" She said bound up with electrical cords with bags over their heads. Stunned that she said electrical cords. I said yea I listened to the 911 calls and Johnny's mom said that she could see them bound up with Johnny's phone on him. I said if Ms.T said the phone dropped why was the phone on him? She states yes he had his phone on his chest with his wallet also on his chest. Just stunned that she knew this information. I said, "I knew Lisa but I didn't know Mr. Z knew Lisa." She said that Johnny had been dating her over the past few months and introduced her to percocet, that the group of them had been doing. She also stated Johnny had called Mr.Z a few nights before the murders occured and said that the parents were going out of town for a week and that they had a nice house with a pool table. She said Mr.Z went over to the house the night before the murders occurred and that they were probably doing percocets. She also said Johnny had called Mr.Z that day looking to see if he could find percocets for him. So Johnny had enough money on him that day to buy percocets and before Ms.T called Johnny that night, Mr.Z had called my mom one hour prior, looking to get money from her and he couldn't get it. If he was supppose to get money from my mom, who lives 20 minutes away from Mr. Z, why would he leave to get the money if he was getting picked up by Johnny and Lisa? He would have already of had a way to get to Lisa's house, which would mean he wouldn't have needed a ride to get there.
In my opinion, Ms.T and Mr.Z were feining for percocet, they didn't have the cash to get it, Johnny probably already found percocets. If Johnny already had the percocet and didn't share with Mr.Z, that pissed him off or just couldn't pay him for it so the two went over to the house in Mr.Z's mom's car. They already knew the layout from the night before. They either went through the garage door which was probably left open from when Lisa and Johnny got home and parked Lisa's car in the garage. The door opens into the kitchen which is normally never locked and that's where everything took place. Johnny saw Mr.Z and said bro, what are you doing here and Mr.Z said I got the money even though he didn't. Johnny turned around and Mr.Z pistol whipped him knocking Johnny out. Mr.Z put the bag over Johnny's head cause, yes it was his friend and he didn't want to see his face and the look on Johnny's face for what he was going to do there. They either took the percs and then searched through the house for whatever money they could find, then went out through the garage, shutting it behind them then called Shirita and made up the story about how she was on the phone with Johnny and heard a robbery. Shirita called Ruben, who then called Johnny's mom. Ms.T and Mr.Z get a hold of Johnny's dad and leave the scene and show back up with the dad to be like, why would we do it and then go get the father? Then the cops show up 2 hours from the time the murders took place.
Here's the thing - this is an excellent theory, but if it is true, arrests would have happened by now, and I'm talking about DNA verification as well. WTF?
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