Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[stoof725]

I am new to this site, and lovvvve it! I just wanted to say that my mothers friend is a firefighter/emt who was on the scene who also said that LS was raped... i didnt hear the whole tongue thing though, but yes thats why her ankles werent taped up

[ToledoNative]

Hello everybody. I don't usually post on forums but I've seen a great deal of intelligence and respect here.

I was born and raised in the area that this happened. I went to the same high school as Johnny Clarke. I know people who are loosely connected to the people involved. That is all I'm going to say about that.

First of all, Mr. Z is a minor.

Second of all, the police are not making any immediate arrests for good reason. You may have seen the movie "Double Jeopardy". You cannot try a person for a crime more than once. This means if an arrest is made and a conviction is saught, they have one shot of providing collected evidence to be considered in trial. If they jump too soon, and don't have a solid case with solid evidence, a jury may not feel proof has been 100% made for a conviction and once the person is aquitted, they cannot go back and try the person again.

Don't be mistaken and believe the people on here who say if a case isn't solved quickly then it won't be solve. That is completely false.

I have my opinion of what happened and will post it.

[Lady Cop]

i am not even caught up, so sorry if you feel ignored. it's hell when i'm away for a while!

a few little things,

see here for pics info etc,:

http://mockforums.net/thread-4825.html

take tech questions to HQ area please.

you do have PMs Zero. but all of you memebrs have to enable those settings in your profile. i've done some, but it gets tiresome, use your user CP. (control panel)

i make people members as i see they will stay around and contribute.


the warning thing you see in your post profile...EVERYONE HAS ONE NOT JUST YOU. even though you can't see others'. only Duchess and i and Mock elders can issue a warning. that's why you don't see others'.

if i missed any questions, sorry.
as i said, i am not caught up.

you CAN use names of everyone involved in case except minors. the initials are making me batshit.
involved does not mean someones best friend's girlfriend's uncle's mailman however! peripheral characters not named in media or by police.

BE CLEAR ON WHAT IS MERELY RUMOR.

[Jane]

Before posting this I want to be clear on 2 things. One, I asked for guidance from admin about this matter before posting & two, this is RUMOR from a 3^rd party.

My brother has worked at a local restaurant/pub for years & has regular customers. One of his regular costumers is good friends with a Toledo detective. The regular customer came into this establishment Thursday night & was chatting with my brother when this case came up in conversation. He claimed to have recieved insider information from his detective friend. I do trust my brother however I do not personally know this other person who gave my brother this information so again, it's 3^rd party.


This detectives friend claims that Lisa was in fact raped & that her tongue was either cut or cut out. I know there have been rumors swirling about a possible rape & I also know that there has been speculation about where the "pool" of blood on her face/side of head came from. If this is in fact true it would account for the blood. I really hope I do not hurt anyone close to Lisa in relaying what I have heard. I was hesitant to post this because I do not know it to be fact & didn't want to add to anyones pain, however there have been other rumors or 3^rd party information discussed here & I also asked for guidance/permission before hand.

I truly hope that this isn't true :(

Wow... Makes me sick.... I wouldnt be surprised since it was such a horrific crime.

ugh, almost makes me think, Lisa might have been tortured, to a certain degree, to get Johnny to talk ...

edited to add - or simply just to torture Johnny, in watching it take place

[stoof725]

can somebody message me and please tell me who this zb is???? id appreciate it

[Countryside_Belle]

Before posting this I want to be clear on 2 things. One, I asked for guidance from admin about this matter before posting & two, this is RUMOR from a 3^rd party.

My brother has worked at a local restaurant/pub for years & has regular customers. One of his regular costumers is good friends with a Toledo detective. The regular customer came into this establishment Thursday night & was chatting with my brother when this case came up in conversation. He claimed to have recieved insider information from his detective friend. I do trust my brother however I do not personally know this other person who gave my brother this information so again, it's 3^rd party.


This detectives friend claims that Lisa was in fact raped & that her tongue was either cut or cut out. I know there have been rumors swirling about a possible rape & I also know that there has been speculation about where the "pool" of blood on her face/side of head came from. If this is in fact true it would account for the blood. I really hope I do not hurt anyone close to Lisa in relaying what I have heard. I was hesitant to post this because I do not know it to be fact & didn't want to add to anyones pain, however there have been other rumors or 3^rd party information discussed here & I also asked for guidance/permission before hand.

I truly hope that this isn't true :(

Holy fuck, that would be horrible if true. :(
And btw....tongue being cut out says to me "snitch"
Damn. Damn shame. :(

[Countryside_Belle]

can somebody message me and please tell me who this zb is???? id appreciate it

You need to be a member first before any pm's to be sent to you.
But, generally speaking, ZB is the minor who supposedly runs around with Tiff.
If and when you become a member, i'll pm you his link.

[Jane]

can somebody message me and please tell me who this zb is???? id appreciate it

don't know if you're able to receive PM's, but he's a minor, under the age of 18. He's a person, within this case of characters. He's not a suspect or anything, though, as of now. He's a friend of some of the friends' of Johnny & Lisa. That's about it.

[Lady Cop]

i am not even caught up, so sorry if you feel ignored. it's hell when i'm away for a while!

a few little things,

see here for pics info etc,:

http://mockforums.net/thread-4825.html

take tech questions to HQ area please.

you do have PMs Zero. but all of you memebrs have to enable those settings in your profile. i've done some, but it gets tiresome, use your user CP. (control panel)

i make people members as i see they will stay around and contribute.


the warning thing you see in your post profile...EVERYONE HAS ONE NOT JUST YOU. even though you can't see others'. only Duchess and i and Mock elders can issue a warning. that's why you don't see others'.

if i missed any questions, sorry.
as i said, i am not caught up.

you CAN use names of everyone involved in case except minors. the initials are making me batshit.
involved does not mean someones best friend's girlfriend's uncle's mailman however! peripheral characters not named in media or by police.

BE CLEAR ON WHAT IS MERELY RUMOR.

[stoof725]

well i signed up and activated my account.... i thought i was a member now? if not how do i do it

[Countryside_Belle]

I am new to this site, and lovvvve it! I just wanted to say that my mothers friend is a firefighter/emt who was on the scene who also said that LS was raped... i didnt hear the whole tongue thing though, but yes thats why her ankles werent taped up

No offense, but holy cow- an EMT AND a detective talking about the details with people!? Hope this doesn't hurt the investigation.
Freshbait78- thank you for relaying what you have heard, however. Thank you for being kind about it to the families.

[Lady Cop]

well i signed up and activated my account.... i thought i was a member now? if not how do i do it

PLEASE SEE POST 4709 ABOVE YOU.

[stoof725]

I am new to this site, and lovvvve it! I just wanted to say that my mothers friend is a firefighter/emt who was on the scene who also said that LS was raped... i didnt hear the whole tongue thing though, but yes thats why her ankles werent taped up

No offense, but holy cow- an EMT AND a detective talking about the details with people!? Hope this doesn't hurt the investigation.
Freshbait78- thank you for relaying what you have heard, however. Thank you for being kind about it to the families.

Just doesnt seem right does it

[EastCoastKat]

Picture of Tiffany's dead boyfriend Donald (with money and guy) and her new boyfriend AG. This is part of her crew. Click on picture to enlarge.

I do not see Corrigan. I see AP and his brother MattY?

Yes, you're right- I just see AP and Matty in the first pic.
I thought there was another one floating around somewhere on ms of them though....
Can you imagine writing "Don's widow" on the ass of your jeans?! lmfao

I didn't think that looked like him either, but some said when he was thinner, after he got out of jail, he would be thinner?? So??

Like these pix her looks so different:

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[concerned]

[quote='Freshbait78' pid='130928' dateline='1298147790']
Before posting this I want to be clear on 2 things. One, I asked for guidance from admin about this matter before posting & two, this is RUMOR from a 3^rd party.

My brother has worked at a local restaurant/pub for years & has regular customers. One of his regular costumers is good friends with a Toledo detective. The regular customer came into this establishment Thursday night & was chatting with my brother when this case came up in conversation. He claimed to have recieved insider information from his detective friend. I do trust my brother however I do not personally know this other person who gave my brother this information so again, it's 3^rd party.


This detectives friend claims that Lisa was in fact raped & that her tongue was either cut or cut out. I know there have been rumors swirling about a possible rape & I also know that there has been speculation about where the "pool" of blood on her face/side of head came from. If this is in fact true it would account for the blood. I really hope I do not hurt anyone close to Lisa in relaying what I have heard. I was hesitant to post this because I do not know it to be fact & didn't want to add to anyones pain, however there have been other rumors or 3^rd party information discussed here & I also asked for guidance/permission before hand.

I truly hope that this isn't true :(

I hope this isn't true either, but I had a feeling she was raped, since her ankles weren't tied together


[/quot I had the same thought exactly. I feel for her whole family. Nice family. I fell for both families. Just to make that clear

[concerned]

can somebody message me and please tell me who this zb is???? id appreciate it

Z is the minor who was with T at the Straubs the night before the murders and also the night she was on the phone ( whatever) with Johnny. They used Z mom car to drive over there and also to pick Johnnys dad up. You havent heard of him in the media because he is a minor

[Jane]

I am new to this site, and lovvvve it! I just wanted to say that my mothers friend is a firefighter/emt who was on the scene who also said that LS was raped... i didnt hear the whole tongue thing though, but yes thats why her ankles werent taped up

No offense, but holy cow- an EMT AND a detective talking about the details with people!? Hope this doesn't hurt the investigation.
Freshbait78- thank you for relaying what you have heard, however. Thank you for being kind about it to the families.

Just doesnt seem right does it

No, it doesn't seem right, but things get leaked all the time, in all cases, pretty much, after a period of time. People start talking. I guess it's human nature.

[Lady Cop]

the thing here is not the rumor, there are HUNDREDS. we don't want to give them cred.

but the leaks...it's a sad fact of life for LE. :(
but always happens.

ATTACH NO WEIGHT TO RUMORS until they are confirmed by reliable sources. or we could get way out of control.
and thanks for asking me first Bait.


also...sorry newbies, you're going to have to do your own reading in the thread so we don't repeat the same stuff 57 times. you have to do your own research.

i have said repeatedly, i have info Z IS a minor. that is that.

[Countryside_Belle]

Zero- sent it, thanks to Duchess I believe it has been fixed.

[concerned]

Before posting this I want to be clear on 2 things. One, I asked for guidance from admin about this matter before posting & two, this is RUMOR from a 3^rd party.

My brother has worked at a local restaurant/pub for years & has regular customers. One of his regular costumers is good friends with a Toledo detective. The regular customer came into this establishment Thursday night & was chatting with my brother when this case came up in conversation. He claimed to have recieved insider information from his detective friend. I do trust my brother however I do not personally know this other person who gave my brother this information so again, it's 3^rd party.


This detectives friend claims that Lisa was in fact raped & that her tongue was either cut or cut out. I know there have been rumors swirling about a possible rape & I also know that there has been speculation about where the "pool" of blood on her face/side of head came from. If this is in fact true it would account for the blood. I really hope I do not hurt anyone close to Lisa in relaying what I have heard. I was hesitant to post this because I do not know it to be fact & didn't want to add to anyones pain, however there have been other rumors or 3^rd party information discussed here & I also asked for guidance/permission before hand.

I truly hope that this isn't true :(

Holy fuck, that would be horrible if true. :(
And btw....tongue being cut out says to me "snitch"
Damn. Damn shame. :(
that and maybe to shut her up to stop screaming?