Quote:Freshbait78 Wrote:
Before posting this I want to be clear on 2 things. One, I asked for guidance from admin about this matter before posting & two, this is RUMOR from a 3rd party.
My brother has worked at a local restaurant/pub for years & has regular customers. One of his regular costumers is good friends with a Toledo detective. The regular customer came into this establishment Thursday night & was chatting with my brother when this case came up in conversation. He claimed to have recieved insider information from his detective friend. I do trust my brother however I do not personally know this other person who gave my brother this information so again, it's 3rd party.
This detectives friend claims that Lisa was in fact raped & that her tongue was either cut or cut out. I know there have been rumors swirling about a possible rape & I also know that there has been speculation about where the "pool" of blood on her face/side of head came from. If this is in fact true it would account for the blood. I really hope I do not hurt anyone close to Lisa in relaying what I have heard. I was hesitant to post this because I do not know it to be fact & didn't want to add to anyones pain, however there have been other rumors or 3rd party information discussed here & I also asked for guidance/permission before hand.
I truly hope that this isn't true :(
If something like this were true...Lisa's cause of death was smothering. It is not uncommon to actually go into convulsions as you are dying from lack of oxygen to the brain. She could have easily bit her tongue. IF IT IS TRUE. If there was a small amount of blood, this suggests that whatever happen either didn't bleed much at all, OR that it occurred AFTER death, because the blood no longer pumps.
I actually suggested early on, when people were kicking around their theories on where the blood came from, that maybe she bit her tongue or lips while having a seisure due to lack of oxygen. Most peoples theories around that time were that she was pistol whipped. I was told that suffocation & asphyxiation were the same thing. Also, on the matter of the amount of blood. It was described as a pool. I also said that one persons idea of a pool may be different than anothers, especially in such a emotionally charged point in time. Honestly, not that anything of this gives me comfort, I sure hate the idea of her being mutilated so I'd be happy to hear that the rumor I heard was false and the blood came from a bitten tongue.
At the funeral, Johnny's head was angled downward and his neck was covered up by a collared shirt. It almost appeared as if he neck was trying to be covered up.
I think it was reported there was damage to both of their necks.. not sure why, unless the perps wrapped the tape extremely tight around the bags, over their heads... OR someone attempted to strangle them first?
Yes, I believe they said Lisa was strangled with the pink and black pants they found under her.
(02-19-2011, 07:50 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:
CountrysideBelle: you said, "hinky". That tells me maybe you have some law enforcement background...Smiley_emoticons_wink
Lady Cop: you know what I'm talking about, don't you?
or it means they read at another known crime forum.
Or...it means they have a 5 and 9 yr old that watch Scooby Doo. lmfao!
(02-19-2011, 08:08 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: I suppose this case could be gang related but it is important to know that Toledo gangs are not the serious "ride or die" gangs like they have in LA or Compton. Mostly just little white kids trying to be "gangsta".
Toledo is a dirty little hell hole. At least the location I grew up there. I grew up on the south side and attended the same high school that Johnny attended. If you ever get the chance to visit Toledo, quickly punch the person in the face who gave you the opportunity, and RUN!
I won't presume to know what their security system is but, I have security & if the wires were cut on it the cops would be screaming down my road in a matter of moments.
Lisa's uncle said the system had been deactivated. Not sure if he meant just that night or like they canceled an alarm company contract (maybe months ago).
I just realized I'm 30 pages behind in this thread. FUCK!
HA! try taking a bath or eating or sleeping and see what happens!
Quote:Freshbait78 Wrote:
Before posting this I want to be clear on 2 things. One, I asked for guidance from admin about this matter before posting & two, this is RUMOR from a 3rd party.
My brother has worked at a local restaurant/pub for years & has regular customers. One of his regular costumers is good friends with a Toledo detective. The regular customer came into this establishment Thursday night & was chatting with my brother when this case came up in conversation. He claimed to have recieved insider information from his detective friend. I do trust my brother however I do not personally know this other person who gave my brother this information so again, it's 3rd party.
This detectives friend claims that Lisa was in fact raped & that her tongue was either cut or cut out. I know there have been rumors swirling about a possible rape & I also know that there has been speculation about where the "pool" of blood on her face/side of head came from. If this is in fact true it would account for the blood. I really hope I do not hurt anyone close to Lisa in relaying what I have heard. I was hesitant to post this because I do not know it to be fact & didn't want to add to anyones pain, however there have been other rumors or 3rd party information discussed here & I also asked for guidance/permission before hand.
I truly hope that this isn't true :(
If something like this were true...Lisa's cause of death was smothering. It is not uncommon to actually go into convulsions as you are dying from lack of oxygen to the brain. She could have easily bit her tongue. IF IT IS TRUE. If there was a small amount of blood, this suggests that whatever happen either didn't bleed much at all, OR that it occurred AFTER death, because the blood no longer pumps.
I actually suggested early on, when people were kicking around their theories on where the blood came from, that maybe she bit her tongue or lips while having a seisure due to lack of oxygen. Most peoples theories around that time were that she was pistol whipped. I was told that suffocation & asphyxiation were the same thing. Also, on the matter of the amount of blood. It was described as a pool. I also said that one persons idea of a pool may be different than anothers, especially in such a emotionally charged point in time. Honestly, not that anything of this gives me comfort, I sure hate the idea of her being mutilated so I'd be happy to hear that the rumor I heard was false and the blood came from a bitten tongue.
At the funeral, Johnny's head was angled downward and his neck was covered up by a collared shirt. It almost appeared as if he neck was trying to be covered up.
I think it was reported there was damage to both of their necks.. not sure why, unless the perps wrapped the tape extremely tight around the bags, over their heads... OR someone attempted to strangle them first?
In the beginning of all this I thought I saw somewhere it reported or said on tv/news somewhere that the bags had been "tightly" wrapped around the heads/necks.
If this is true, it may explain the marks...espec. if the victims were struggling
Kinda like the Abe Lincoln/John Kennedy connections, and the 9⁄11 connections, etc.
Interesting, but....too far off for me. (Malarkey)
Thanks for the link Curious, it is interesting for sure
Regarding the rumor that Lisa's tounge may have been cut out; FYI the tounge bleeds a lot. So depending on what the "pool" of blood was, like someone else suggested- it may have been that she just bit it. I am still standing by my theory that Lisa was strangled using those damn black & pink pants!
It's the hint of arsenic that gives it that extra kick.
[quote='Jane' pid='131162' dateline='1298157861']
If Tiffany's involved, then she'll be arrested eventually. Until LE names her a suspect or person of interest, I don't think she is one. For the life of me, I don't know why, IF she was involved in setting them up, she'd call someone & tell them what happened... If she's as 'street smart' as some say, then she'd have to know she shouldn't do that. All she would have had to do, is simply wait it out. Wait for LE to contact her, if they found her phone number on JC's cell records. All she had to do was sit tight & see if LE wanted to speak to her... THEN she could have simply said 'yes, I talked with him that night' & be done with it .... The bodies would have been found, another way, most likely by Lisa's parents, I guess, unless someone else was concerned about not seeing them around.
Tiffany making that phone call to her friend, really screwed her up, imo
[/quotLets see... mother who dont have custody of her children. hangs out with wanna be gangsters. Likes sleeping with lades under 18. I think she was screwed up long before this.... IMO
(02-19-2011, 07:17 PM)jash Wrote: If something like this were true...Lisa's cause of death was smothering. It is not uncommon to actually go into convulsions as you are dying from lack of oxygen to the brain. She could have easily bit her tongue. IF IT IS TRUE. If there was a small amount of blood, this suggests that whatever happen either didn't bleed much at all, OR that it occurred AFTER death, because the blood no longer pumps.
I actually suggested early on, when people were kicking around their theories on where the blood came from, that maybe she bit her tongue or lips while having a seisure due to lack of oxygen. Most peoples theories around that time were that she was pistol whipped. I was told that suffocation & asphyxiation were the same thing. Also, on the matter of the amount of blood. It was described as a pool. I also said that one persons idea of a pool may be different than anothers, especially in such a emotionally charged point in time. Honestly, not that anything of this gives me comfort, I sure hate the idea of her being mutilated so I'd be happy to hear that the rumor I heard was false and the blood came from a bitten tongue.
At the funeral, Johnny's head was angled downward and his neck was covered up by a collared shirt. It almost appeared as if he neck was trying to be covered up.
I think it was reported there was damage to both of their necks.. not sure why, unless the perps wrapped the tape extremely tight around the bags, over their heads... OR someone attempted to strangle them first?
In the beginning of all this I thought I saw somewhere it reported or said on tv/news somewhere that the bags had been "tightly" wrapped around the heads/necks.
If this is true, it may explain the marks...espec. if the victims were struggling
yes, you're right. I had forgotten about that being reported!
(02-19-2011, 07:24 PM)Jane Wrote: If Tiffany's involved, then she'll be arrested eventually. Until LE names her a suspect or person of interest, I don't think she is one. For the life of me, I don't know why, IF she was involved in setting them up, she'd call someone & tell them what happened... If she's as 'street smart' as some say, then she'd have to know she shouldn't do that. All she would have had to do, is simply wait it out. Wait for LE to contact her, if they found her phone number on JC's cell records. All she had to do was sit tight & see if LE wanted to speak to her... THEN she could have simply said 'yes, I talked with him that night' & be done with it .... The bodies would have been found, another way, most likely by Lisa's parents, I guess, unless someone else was concerned about not seeing them around.
Tiffany making that phone call to her friend, really screwed her up, imo
Because if Tiffany was just on the phone with Johnny so she could get Johnny and Lisa out of the house so the house could get robbed, then she would want to know what really happened, so sthat he would know what story to tell police. It makes sense that she needed to let alot of time to lapse and then to get involved since records would show that she had talked to Johnny and Lisa last. She needed to make it look like she was trying to alert people that something happened. If she sat back and was idle, that would really make her look suspicious. But time is key. She had to let time lapse and then find out what really went down without asking the people who did it.
Why would she need to know anything?? She could simply tell LE , 'yes, I spoke with Lisa about getting on Facebook' ...hell, she could have made anything up, as far as that goes. Instead she PUTS herself at the scene, & I don't think it was intentional. I think she really wanted to get hold of Johnny, regarding drugs, so she makes up the story about meeting up w/them to play pool. She can't be very smart, or she woudn't have put herself at the scene. Her making the lapse in time, makes no sense to me.
I think it was her opportunity to make it look like she was a loving, concerned friend. She could've even been there. She could've been on the phone with Johnny from around the corner and then participated or been the look out at the scene. Placing herself there could also serve as her alibi incase anyone did see her there.
I think phone records (the one's police have access to) actually show which cell phone tower the signal was coming from, which would help show her location at the time of the phone call.
I made a printout of the cell phone towers in our area and if her story is true there are alot of cell tower in between Z house and Lisas house. One good thing is. There is not alot of cell phone towers by Lisas. Only one within a few blocks from her house.
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