Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[concerned]

[quote='RJs-Ex' pid='131070' dateline='1298153177']
Anyone check out ZB's mom's FB?

Yep, I have. Seems her hubby and her spend A LOT of time doing the game thingies on Facebook.
Of course, I spend a lot of time here, so......

Im wondering if you have the wrong facebook. She has a normal name and is not married
Shes doesnt have a hubby. Fyi.

[JustSayin...]

I suppose this case could be gang related but it is important to know that Toledo gangs are not the serious "ride or die" gangs like they have in LA or Compton. Mostly just little white kids trying to be "gangsta".

Toledo is a dirty little hell hole. At least the location I grew up there. I grew up on the south side and attended the same high school that Johnny attended. If you ever get the chance to visit Toledo, quickly punch the person in the face who gave you the opportunity, and RUN!

You lived in and went to Bowsher district? I'm curious what area of that you found a hell hole. Just curious. I'm glad for you if you are happy where you are now.

[concerned]

If Tiffany's involved, then she'll be arrested eventually. Until LE names her a suspect or person of interest, I don't think she is one. For the life of me, I don't know why, IF she was involved in setting them up, she'd call someone & tell them what happened... If she's as 'street smart' as some say, then she'd have to know she shouldn't do that. All she would have had to do, is simply wait it out. Wait for LE to contact her, if they found her phone number on JC's cell records. All she had to do was sit tight & see if LE wanted to speak to her... THEN she could have simply said 'yes, I talked with him that night' & be done with it .... The bodies would have been found, another way, most likely by Lisa's parents, I guess, unless someone else was concerned about not seeing them around.

Tiffany making that phone call to her friend, really screwed her up, imo

Because if Tiffany was just on the phone with Johnny so she could get Johnny and Lisa out of the house so the house could get robbed, then she would want to know what really happened, so sthat he would know what story to tell police. It makes sense that she needed to let alot of time to lapse and then to get involved since records would show that she had talked to Johnny and Lisa last. She needed to make it look like she was trying to alert people that something happened. If she sat back and was idle, that would really make her look suspicious. But time is key. She had to let time lapse and then find out what really went down without asking the people who did it.

Why would she need to know anything?? She could simply tell LE , 'yes, I spoke with Lisa about getting on Facebook' ...hell, she could have made anything up, as far as that goes. Instead she PUTS herself at the scene, & I don't think it was intentional. I think she really wanted to get hold of Johnny, regarding drugs, so she makes up the story about meeting up w/them to play pool. She can't be very smart, or she woudn't have put herself at the scene. Her making the lapse in time, makes no sense to me.

I think it was her opportunity to make it look like she was a loving, concerned friend. She could've even been there. She could've been on the phone with Johnny from around the corner and then participated or been the look out at the scene. Placing herself there could also serve as her alibi incase anyone did see her there.
I think phone records (the one's police have access to) actually show which cell phone tower the signal was coming from, which would help show her location at the time of the phone call.

I appreciate your input, but I don't see it that way. You could be right, though. If I was going to set someone up, I'd sure as hell, lay low, & not be calling people, making folks get excited/worried, about the people I just set up.

What a better alibi than to be the "worried friend" . Spouses who murder there spouse also "grieve" at the funeral. Makes them looks good. Look at Susan Smith how she grieved about the carjacking that killed her kids.

[4shannon4]

Anyone check out ZB's mom's FB?

Yep, I have. Seems her hubby and her spend A LOT of time doing the game thingies on Facebook.
Of course, I spend a lot of time here, so......

She's got an interesting name!

Shes doesnt have a hubby. Fyi.

please differentiate ZB from Zahra Baker. \\

Can someone please tell me how to become a member. So I can get emails and stuff. I cant find that z guys page. Can someone please post the link to his page?

[Lady Cop]

Yep, I have. Seems her hubby and her spend A LOT of time doing the game thingies on Facebook.
Of course, I spend a lot of time here, so......

She's got an interesting name!

Shes doesnt have a hubby. Fyi.

please differentiate ZB from Zahra Baker. \\

Can someone please tell me how to become a member. So I can get emails and stuff. I cant find that z guys page. Can someone please post the link to his page?

you'll become a member when i decide you've been here long enough and will stick around and post.

and NOBODY will post a link to a minor here...i have made that quite clear. often.

[Countryside_Belle]

Anyone check out ZB's mom's FB?

Yep, I have. Seems her hubby and her spend A LOT of time doing the game thingies on Facebook.
Of course, I spend a lot of time here, so......

She's got an interesting name!

Shes doesnt have a hubby. Fyi.

Wait a min....she (ZB's mom?) Doesn't have a hubby?
She has one listed on her fb.....

[Jane]

Someone out there is looking at this as a serial killing.

http://www.starlightinnerprizes.com/Clark-Straub.htm

Kinda like the Abe Lincoln/John Kennedy connections, and the ⁹⁄₁₁ connections, etc.
Interesting, but....too far off for me. (Malarkey)
Thanks for the link Curious, it is interesting for sure

Same here. I don't think this is the doings of a serial killer. EEEK! I'm out of cigarettes:O be back later!

[RJs-Ex]

[quote='RJs-Ex' pid='131070' dateline='1298153177']
Anyone check out ZB's mom's FB?

Yep, I have. Seems her hubby and her spend A LOT of time doing the game thingies on Facebook.
Of course, I spend a lot of time here, so......

Im wondering if you have the wrong facebook. She has a normal name and is not married
Shes doesnt have a hubby. Fyi.

Crap!

[Lady Cop]

do not link to Z or his mother. she is not a player in this case.

[TotallyCurious]

Ok. This is Off Topic. But I am hoping you won't throw me out for
posting it. After listening to the 911 calls multiple times and reading
the not so numerous news articles and listening to the not fulfilling
television reports, the address that is used for the Straub's home is
Maumee, Ohio, or Sylvania. Now, Maytee on the frantic 911 call says,
"Holland." Well the only place I can find the listing for the address
as Holland is on the property assessment records and sales. Why
would Maytee know that? vizzo.com I think it was.

[Lady Cop]

? that wasn't off-topic. and i don't throw people out unless they break one of our 2 cardinal rules. no personal info on other members, and no threats to anyone.

[Countryside_Belle]

You got it LC...
I am pretty
sure I have the right ZB, because I confirmed it with photos and family member's listings and posts
on facebook to Aaron G/AP.
I thought Unknown confirmed this as well.
Maybe Unknown can shed some light on this issue. ?
No links or naming minors though...got it

[wanttoknow]

There is another Z that is fb friends with alot of people. He's from the Genoa area.

[TotallyCurious]

Someone out there is looking at this as a serial killing.

http://www.starlightinnerprizes.com/Clark-Straub.htm

Kinda like the Abe Lincoln/John Kennedy connections, and the ⁹⁄₁₁ connections, etc.
Interesting, but....too far off for me. (Malarkey)http://mockforums.net/images/icons/smile.gif
Thanks for the link Curious, it is interesting for sure

Same here. I don't think this is the doings of a shttp://mockforums.net/images/icons/smile.giferial killer. EEEK! I'm out of cigarettes:O be back later!

I was out of graham crackers and icing and Pepsi. But Back. Fortified.

[Countryside_Belle]

And.....what is ABnormal about her name? It seems like a perfectly normal name to me.
I thought* RJ's ex* said "interesting name she has" because of her LAST name....(Other players in this case have the similar last name)

[onefortheroad]

Lets see... mother who dont have custody of her children. hangs out with wanna be gangsters. Likes sleeping with lades under 18. I think she was screwed up long before this.... IMO

I'm a little confused here ..... Is Tiff sleeping with the minor ZB or with AP? And do we know which one is the baby daddy?

[Countryside_Belle]

There is another Z that is fb friends with alot of people. He's from the Genoa area.

Is this the one in the pics I have seen with AP?
The one that AP had listed as his "brother" ? and now has deleted?
Shit. Sorry. What a cluster fluck.

[Countryside_Belle]

Lets see... mother who dont have custody of her children. hangs out with wanna be gangsters. Likes sleeping with lades under 18. I think she was screwed up long before this.... IMO

I'm a little confused here ..... Is Tiff sleeping with the minor ZB or with AP? And do we know which one is the baby daddy?

We should ask Maury Povich.

[catch22]

so does tiff live with z and his mom? i thought someone said tiff lived with someone's mom. seems like that would be a strange arrangement. don't tell me that ap lives there too?

[NightOwl]

Spotted this on Facebook one of Lisa's friends and also a friend of BD wonder what the "sum" is?

"iam tired of answerinn my phonee and herin bad newss.. godd what did she doo..the last words she said to me wass thankss be safee and ill call you tonight if me and johhny do sum..i saidd ok both yal be saafee. have a good nightt.. r.i.p lisaa like my liil sis"
January 31 at 12:44pm via Mobile Web.

"my word of advice for yall ...chill out"

February 1 at 12:01pm via Mobile Web.

Link?

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