Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[kitty1]

Has anyone noticed that JC's younger brother now has a FB and posts on RIP Johnny? He may have had FB page before but it really bothers me seeing young kids with FB pages! Even though I'm sure Maytee pushes it since FB is her LIFE!

i didn't see where his brother posted on rip but i believe his is about 15. from what i hear 15 would be a late start these days

[RaisingAPrince]

Has anyone noticed that JC's younger brother now has a FB and posts on RIP Johnny? He may have had FB page before but it really bothers me seeing young kids with FB pages! Even though I'm sure Maytee pushes it since FB is her LIFE!

i didn't see where his brother posted on rip but i believe his is about 15. from what i hear 15 would be a late start these days

Click where it says "Just Others". This child is nowhere near 15....unless my age judgement is way off!

[Lady Cop]

i saw one post by Johnny's brother saying how he missed him. i bet his brothers DO miss him terribly. :(

[ZEROSPHERES]

Does anyone have all the newspaper articles and 911 calls in
one spot? Do you think it would be helpful to post them here
for the people who might not go back and read?

Just the links, (at one line entries each), fill 10 pages of text....Its a daunting task. Its not something anyone could easily reference, so a short intro preceeding each one makes them fill 20 pages now.

[RaisingAPrince]

i saw one post by Johnny's brother saying how he missed him. i bet his brothers DO miss him terribly. :(

Oh most definitely! I feel the worst for them! Especially if they are seeing all the things Maytee is saying on these pages! Poor poor boys!

[esbee]

Yea, but Lisa's car was in the driveway, JC and LS weren't answering calls or texts (which was apparently out of the norm), and she had already gotten the call from Tiffany's friend saying that something was wrong. I would be concerned too!

Alright, I'll give you that, it's a valid statement but, why? Why are they so concerned? I've not responded to text & my ringing BB many times. I've also pretended to not be home while my vehicle has been sitting in the circle. Why is Maytee freakin' out?

What the hell. Here goes.

So much confusion about whether this looks like a robbery or a revenge killing. Because of that, it's hard to arrive at a motive that fits. Without intent, it's been difficult to zero-in on suspects.

In my opinion, this crime was both. I think it started as a robbery. Known within a close circle of family/friends was that Lisa's parents were out of town and swagger had it that there was a safe in the house. In my opinion, Maytee first brought the idea to a group of immature peripheral players that this would be an easy score...drugs and/or the safe. Other than hurting his pride, I don't think Maytee thought Johnny was in danger. In fact, the presence of duct tape may be integral to an initial intention to "do no harm." The flurry of activity as Lisa arrived home from work and both were preparing to leave were important to having the security system disarmed at the time (not many of us would bother to arm a security system if we were going to be in and out quickly). Tiffany engaging Johnny in a phone call had multiple benefits...a) it verified that Johnny and Lisa were moving in and out of the house, spurring them on to focusing on preparing to leave b) it prevented Johnny from connecting with 911 however briefly and c) it established an alibi even if only to Johnny that Tiffany wasn't involved.

Something went horribly wrong. I don't know if the intruders were under the influence, didn't expect Johnny would recognize them, or if the absence of the safe escalated matters (I think finding the security system paperwork was telling...I think the perpetrators were looking for evidence of a safe installed by the security company). I've also wondered if the intruders included more hardcore gang members that felt wronged by Maytee and/or Johnny or had a "history" with either or both. There is certainly a component of cruelty and retribution in how they were killed even if an assault on Lisa proves untrue.

In my opinion, Tiffany is now panicking. They have been in there for too long. She doesn't know the nature of the delay, she certainly cannot call 911 and state she thinks there might be a robbery in progress, and she hesitates to implicate Maytee by placing an easily discoverable phone call. By the time Tiffany comes up with a plan to raise the alarm, there has been quite a delay. And now, Maytee has to distance herself from the crime while having LE investigate the well-being of her son.

Three things really had me thinking. First was Maytee's statement to 911 that she thought her son had been abducted. I don't think abduction in foremost in anyone's mind when they are worried about the whereabouts of family member; I don't know that abduction is even that common a crime in this age group. Second was Maytee's initial statement that Tiffany had set Johnny up. Third was Maytee's venom over the form of justice for Johnny's killers...in my opinion, it was more than the death of her son. It was the guilt over her own involvement and the fury that she felt betrayed by the perpetrators.

And that, of course, is just my opinion.

[kitty1]

Has anyone noticed that JC's younger brother now has a FB and posts on RIP Johnny? He may have had FB page before but it really bothers me seeing young kids with FB pages! Even though I'm sure Maytee pushes it since FB is her LIFE!

i didn't see where his brother posted on rip but i believe his is about 15. from what i hear 15 would be a late start these days

Click where it says "Just Others". This child is nowhere near 15....unless my age judgement is way off!

oops! i thought u were talking about the older one. how sad! he says "leave me a mesich" i almost cried.

[kitty1]

Yea, but Lisa's car was in the driveway, JC and LS weren't answering calls or texts (which was apparently out of the norm), and she had already gotten the call from Tiffany's friend saying that something was wrong. I would be concerned too!

Alright, I'll give you that, it's a valid statement but, why? Why are they so concerned? I've not responded to text & my ringing BB many times. I've also pretended to not be home while my vehicle has been sitting in the circle. Why is Maytee freakin' out?

What the hell. Here goes.

So much confusion about whether this looks like a robbery or a revenge killing. Because of that, it's hard to arrive at a motive that fits. Without intent, it's been difficult to zero-in on suspects.

In my opinion, this crime was both. I think it started as a robbery. Known within a close circle of family/friends was that Lisa's parents were out of town and swagger had it that there was a safe in the house. In my opinion, Maytee first brought the idea to a group of immature peripheral players that this would be an easy score...drugs and/or the safe. Other than hurting his pride, I don't think Maytee thought Johnny was in danger. In fact, the presence of duct tape may be integral to an initial intention to "do no harm." The flurry of activity as Lisa arrived home from work and both were preparing to leave were important to having the security system disarmed at the time (not many of us would bother to arm a security system if we were going to be in and out quickly). Tiffany engaging Johnny in a phone call had multiple benefits...a) it verified that Johnny and Lisa were moving in and out of the house, spurring them on to focusing on preparing to leave b) it prevented Johnny from connecting with 911 however briefly and c) it established an alibi even if only to Johnny that Tiffany wasn't involved.

Something went horribly wrong. I don't know if the intruders were under the influence, didn't expect Johnny would recognize them, or if the absence of the safe escalated matters (I think finding the security system paperwork was telling...I think the perpetrators were looking for evidence of a safe installed by the security company). I've also wondered if the intruders included more hardcore gang members that felt wronged by Maytee and/or Johnny or had a "history" with either or both. There is certainly a component of cruelty and retribution in how they were killed even if an assault on Lisa proves untrue.

In my opinion, Tiffany is now panicking. They have been in there for too long. She doesn't know the nature of the delay, she certainly cannot call 911 and state she thinks there might be a robbery in progress, and she hesitates to implicate Maytee by placing an easily discoverable phone call. By the time Tiffany comes up with a plan to raise the alarm, there has been quite a delay. And now, Maytee has to distance herself from the crime while having LE investigate the well-being of her son.

Three things really had me thinking. First was Maytee's statement to 911 that she thought her son had been abducted. I don't think abduction in foremost in anyone's mind when they are worried about the whereabouts of family member; I don't know that abduction is even that common a crime in this age group. Second was Maytee's initial statement that Tiffany had set Johnny up. Third was Maytee's venom over the form of justice for Johnny's killers...in my opinion, it was more than the death of her son. It was the guilt over her own involvement and the fury that she felt betrayed by the perpetrators.

And that, of course, is just my opinion.

I Love your opinion and it is what i have felt for a while, but could never quite articulate. thank you

[TotallyCurious]

Yea, but Lisa's car was in the driveway, JC and LS weren't answering calls or texts (which was apparently out of the norm), and she had already gotten the call from Tiffany's friend saying that something was wrong. I would be concerned too!

Alright, I'll give you that, it's a valid statement but, why? Why are they so concerned? I've not responded to text & my ringing BB many times. I've also pretended to not be home while my vehicle has been sitting in the circle. Why is Maytee freakin' out?

Well, with Maytee having such an extensive criminal record, I'm sure she knows how the game works. So if Johnny was dealing drugs, which idk if he was or not, she knew what could go wrong. That's just my opinion though.

Of course there have always been alot of things that bother me about this case. When Maytee starts freakin out and requests medical attention on the first 911 call makes my hinky meter go off. It is as if she realizes that the "robbery went horrible wrong" JMO She even says on one of the 911 calls(not verbatim) " were they abducted by whoever tried to rob and assault them?" I guess u could chalk it up to that fact that she is an attention-seeking drama queen. IDK??

I have always had a problem with Maytee's call and her seeking medical attention. As we all know she is an attention whore, but honestly if you thought your child was in danger would you be focusing on yourself? Had I been calling 911 for my son and they asked if I wanted medical help my answer would be HELL NO, focus on my son!!

Just another point to prove how selfish she is!

Having Medical attend you places you at that place at that time.

[esbee]

Thank you, Kitty1.

[TotallyCurious]

Was Lisa's car taken in for fingerprints, hair mud, et?

[Lady Cop]

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[Freshbait78]

Yea, but Lisa's car was in the driveway, JC and LS weren't answering calls or texts (which was apparently out of the norm), and she had already gotten the call from Tiffany's friend saying that something was wrong. I would be concerned too!

Alright, I'll give you that, it's a valid statement but, why? Why are they so concerned? I've not responded to text & my ringing BB many times. I've also pretended to not be home while my vehicle has been sitting in the circle. Why is Maytee freakin' out?

Well, with Maytee having such an extensive criminal record, I'm sure she knows how the game works. So if Johnny was dealing drugs, which idk if he was or not, she knew what could go wrong. That's just my opinion though.

Of course there have always been alot of things that bother me about this case. When Maytee starts freakin out and requests medical attention on the first 911 call makes my hinky meter go off. It is as if she realizes that the "robbery went horrible wrong" JMO She even says on one of the 911 calls(not verbatim) " were they abducted by whoever tried to rob and assault them?" I guess u could chalk it up to that fact that she is an attention-seeking drama queen. IDK??

I have always had a problem with Maytee's call and her seeking medical attention. As we all know she is an attention whore, but honestly if you thought your child was in danger would you be focusing on yourself? Had I been calling 911 for my son and they asked if I wanted medical help my answer would be HELL NO, focus on my son!!

Just another point to prove how selfish she is!

With all due respect, I think calling her selfish because she accepted the offer of medical attention from the 911 operator is a stretch. I would agree with you if this was a small town with only one paramedic/police officer & to have someone attending to you would be prolonging help to your son, this isn't the case. Police from a different jurisdiction were enroute as was her husband. She sounded like she was having a panic attack on the phone. I can sympathize because I've had a panic attack before too. Just call me a drama queen

[kfran]

Yea, but Lisa's car was in the driveway, JC and LS weren't answering calls or texts (which was apparently out of the norm), and she had already gotten the call from Tiffany's friend saying that something was wrong. I would be concerned too!

Alright, I'll give you that, it's a valid statement but, why? Why are they so concerned? I've not responded to text & my ringing BB many times. I've also pretended to not be home while my vehicle has been sitting in the circle. Why is Maytee freakin' out?

My initial thought to my kid (who lives w/his girlfriend) not answering the phone or door is that they were "Busy." But in this instance, it is because Maytee knew something was coming down the pipeline, IMO.

[ZEROSPHERES]

I keep returning to the thought that people were wandering around the outside of the house trying to peer through the windows. Johnny & Lisa could have been anywhere yet his family felt certain they were inside the house & couldn't answer the door or phone. The average person DOES NOT exhibit that kind of behavior when the door isn't answered. You just don't wander around the outside of someone's home like that.

Yea, but Lisa's car was in the driveway, JC and LS weren't answering calls or texts (which was apparently out of the norm), and she had already gotten the call from Tiffany's friend saying that something was wrong. I would be concerned too!

She said Mr. Clarke had picked up Miss Straub from work Sunday. The two "had plans with someone earlier in the evening," the detective said, but had not shown up and had not called to say they wouldn't be there.

Miss Straub's car was in the garage, and it did not appear they had gone out at all that evening, she said.

Asked whether the murders appeared to be random or intentional, Detective Stooksbury said she did not know.

[RaisingAPrince]

Alright, I'll give you that, it's a valid statement but, why? Why are they so concerned? I've not responded to text & my ringing BB many times. I've also pretended to not be home while my vehicle has been sitting in the circle. Why is Maytee freakin' out?

Well, with Maytee having such an extensive criminal record, I'm sure she knows how the game works. So if Johnny was dealing drugs, which idk if he was or not, she knew what could go wrong. That's just my opinion though.

Of course there have always been alot of things that bother me about this case. When Maytee starts freakin out and requests medical attention on the first 911 call makes my hinky meter go off. It is as if she realizes that the "robbery went horrible wrong" JMO She even says on one of the 911 calls(not verbatim) " were they abducted by whoever tried to rob and assault them?" I guess u could chalk it up to that fact that she is an attention-seeking drama queen. IDK??

I have always had a problem with Maytee's call and her seeking medical attention. As we all know she is an attention whore, but honestly if you thought your child was in danger would you be focusing on yourself? Had I been calling 911 for my son and they asked if I wanted medical help my answer would be HELL NO, focus on my son!!

Just another point to prove how selfish she is!

With all due respect, I think calling her selfish because she accepted the offer of medical attention from the 911 operator is a stretch. I would agree with you if this was a small town with only one paramedic/police officer & to have someone attending to you would be prolonging help to your son, this isn't the case. Police from a different jurisdiction were enroute as was her husband. She sounded like she was having a panic attack on the phone. I can sympathize because I've had a panic attack before too. Just call me a drama queen

If that was the ONLY thing I've seen in which she's drawing attention to herself, I may agree. However, her actions since that night have clearly shown she likes the attention on herself. Also, if she seriously had a medical problem how was she so quickly able to jump in a car and head over to the Straubs? Without any experience with panic attacks, I don't know the details on how long they last or what needs to be done to help, but it doesn't seem there was much time for an ambulance to get to her and help whatever was wrong.

[kitty1]

did Tiff state on here that the police had questioned her 2 times? Anybody recall?

[shitstorm]

Wasn't there a big time span between when the cops left the 2^nd time and when 911 was called the 3^rd time (after the bodies were found)? What were Maytee & crew doing during this time? Just hanging out in the cold?

What if they really did see the bodies in the basement and they moved them upstairs to the kitchen before calling 911? I'm just throwing it out there, I have no idea why they'd do this.

In addition to the times of the 3 - 911 calls posted earlier I have tried to find an answer to your question of what the respective players were doing inbetween the second and 3^rd calls. Tw says the police told her to go home. and she indicates that she left. I can find no information about JCs parents except that some neighbors heard loud crying relative to this gruesome discovery and that would have put it beyond your question's time frame. That being where they were after 2^nd call but before third call. Sorry.


TW is quoted here:
(02-16-2011 08:28 PM)tiffwill123 Wrote:
i left while the police were ther this was the first time his dad was there.the police said to go they didnt see nothing wrong.i guess johnnys dad went back and kicked the door in.i was not there

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there were FOUR 911 calls.

First one Maytee was at home and she was having the panic attack.

Second one she was still at home and more calm.

Third one she arrives on the scene and puts Tiffany on with 911.

FOURTH one is after Johnny's dad found the bodies and Maytee says they're tied up.

[Freshbait78]

Well, with Maytee having such an extensive criminal record, I'm sure she knows how the game works. So if Johnny was dealing drugs, which idk if he was or not, she knew what could go wrong. That's just my opinion though.

Of course there have always been alot of things that bother me about this case. When Maytee starts freakin out and requests medical attention on the first 911 call makes my hinky meter go off. It is as if she realizes that the "robbery went horrible wrong" JMO She even says on one of the 911 calls(not verbatim) " were they abducted by whoever tried to rob and assault them?" I guess u could chalk it up to that fact that she is an attention-seeking drama queen. IDK??

I have always had a problem with Maytee's call and her seeking medical attention. As we all know she is an attention whore, but honestly if you thought your child was in danger would you be focusing on yourself? Had I been calling 911 for my son and they asked if I wanted medical help my answer would be HELL NO, focus on my son!!

Just another point to prove how selfish she is!

With all due respect, I think calling her selfish because she accepted the offer of medical attention from the 911 operator is a stretch. I would agree with you if this was a small town with only one paramedic/police officer & to have someone attending to you would be prolonging help to your son, this isn't the case. Police from a different jurisdiction were enroute as was her husband. She sounded like she was having a panic attack on the phone. I can sympathize because I've had a panic attack before too. Just call me a drama queen

If that was the ONLY thing I've seen in which she's drawing attention to herself, I may agree. However, her actions since that night have clearly shown she likes the attention on herself. Also, if she seriously had a medical problem how was she so quickly able to jump in a car and head over to the Straubs? Without any experience with panic attacks, I don't know the details on how long they last or what needs to be done to help, but it doesn't seem there was much time for an ambulance to get to her and help whatever was wrong.

I agree, the way she's handled this hasn't been in her best interest as far as public opinion of her goes. I think it would have been in her best interest to grieve privately with close friends & family. Panic attacks aren't a physical illness, it's all mental with physical symptoms like trouble breathing, increased heart rate etc etc & the more you focus on your physical symptoms the worse you panic. Often times when people have their 1^st panic attack they'll call an ambulance or go to the e.r. thinking that they're having a heart attack if that tells you anything. Having someone there to divert attention helps. Panic attacks can last for just a few minutes up to 15 minutes or so. I think the cousin calmed her down & helped her to refocus her attention. I think that when she was left alone, after her husband left with Tiffany, she began to panic one because she was left with her imagination of what happened & was happening & two because she felt helpless to do anything. JMO

[kitty1]

Wasn't there a big time span between when the cops left the 2^nd time and when 911 was called the 3^rd time (after the bodies were found)? What were Maytee & crew doing during this time? Just hanging out in the cold?

What if they really did see the bodies in the basement and they moved them upstairs to the kitchen before calling 911? I'm just throwing it out there, I have no idea why they'd do this.

In addition to the times of the 3 - 911 calls posted earlier I have tried to find an answer to your question of what the respective players were doing inbetween the second and 3^rd calls. Tw says the police told her to go home. and she indicates that she left. I can find no information about JCs parents except that some neighbors heard loud crying relative to this gruesome discovery and that would have put it beyond your question's time frame. That being where they were after 2^nd call but before third call. Sorry.


TW is quoted here:
(02-16-2011 08:28 PM)tiffwill123 Wrote:
i left while the police were ther this was the first time his dad was there.the police said to go they didnt see nothing wrong.i guess johnnys dad went back and kicked the door in.i was not there

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there were FOUR 911 calls.

First one Maytee was at home and she was having the panic attack.

Second one she was still at home and more calm.

Third one she arrives on the scene and puts Tiffany on with 911.

FOURTH one is after Johnny's dad found the bodies and Maytee says they're tied up.

i have only ever heard of 3 calls. the second one is really long. i think the dad also called when he was at the house. i saw that on a transcript somewhere. JVM i think.