Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Jane]

And as far as punch holes in the walls,who in the hell would put a safe in the wall, drywall over it. How would they get to it.

Yeah, I wondered about that, too. Safes are not behind drywall. What a weird place to be punching holes in walls, too - a bedroom walk in closet. That made me wonder if Lisa hid in that closet and there was a fight in there.

could be the perps were completely pissed off, not finding a safe, & just decided to smash the drywall, say with a baseball bat, or something. There was some break-ins not far from us, awhile back. The perps, stole small things, like jewelry, any money they could find laying out. Mostly stuff they could put in their pockets, or under a jacket, BUT something they DID do, before leaving, was smash up things, like TV's, lamps, walls. I guess just because they felt like it ??

[Wish.I.was.a.P.I]

I'm so confused with pics, initials, facebooks and theory's....my husband posted a staus on his facebook saying "Dear God, please find the killers of this murder in OH that has consumed my wife. She has been researching for weeks now and I'd like to have her back...Amen" and that was a nice version..hahaha

but I think maybe if we all list out or discuss the things we know DIDNT happen and then maybe that will help determine more of things that did happen. There are so many unknowns that we have went from cuban mafia to pregnant heroin dealer to skinny ass minor to paper writing boyfriend to crazy ex boyfriend to lunatic mother to loco blood crip goon gangs and even a freakish antler picture serial killer theory on a website.. I don't even live in OH and I see a white van and it makes me look twice to see who's driving it. I'm going crazy!!

[curious]

I hate to even say this or think this, but I'm still holding on to my theory about this crime hitting closer to home than anyone would like to imagine...

Does anyone question the fact JC, Sr. caught a ride with T that night while Maytee stayed behind and rode with cousin? If it's b/c of the two younger ones, what did she find a babysitter for them at 1 AM? ABOVE all as I've stated before, you're not going to catch a ride with someone who less
than an hour later accuse them of NOT murder mind you, but rather "setting up" a murder...doesn't make one bit of sense to me at all...

And what the hell did the dad and T do while they were at the house, obviously they didn't walk around and inspect anything due to lack of footprints?

[Lady Cop]

those who are going to benefit...we expect reports of all the things you see and hear.

[trixie]

those who are going to benefit...we expect reports of all the things you see and hear.

If I go, there will be pics for sure.

[Jane]

I hate to even say this or think this, but I'm still holding on to my theory about this crime hitting closer to home than anyone would like to imagine...

Does anyone question the fact JC, Sr. caught a ride with T that night while Maytee stayed behind and rode with cousin? If it's b/c of the two younger ones, what did she find a babysitter for them at 1 AM? ABOVE all as I've stated before, you're not going to catch a ride with someone who less
than an hour later accuse them of NOT murder mind you, but rather "setting up" a murder...doesn't make one bit of sense to me at all...

And what the hell did the dad and T do while they were at the house, obviously they didn't walk around and inspect anything due to lack of footprints?

I don't know, but I understand what you're saying. Something is just 'off', IMO, about that whole, 'going over to the house' thing...I've given up on all the FB characters, now. It only confuses me, LOL. I'm still giving Tiffany the benefit of the doubt, right now. I can't make any sense at all, as to why she would put herself at the crime scene. There was really no need to do that, had she set Johnny up. I STILL think Johnny came into a fairly large amount of dope that day, & I also think Johnny had bragged about a safe, being in that house. Either way, there was money to be made, whether money from a (nonexistent) safe, or large amount of dope. JMO

[onefortheroad]

Came across this the other day on the Twitter page for 475ent. Could have nothing to do with this, but goes to show the mindset of these thugs and their wider circle.

Now taking applications to fill the position of haters!! Haters equal motivation and inspiration!! SNITCHES FILL DITCHES!!!
8:30 AM Jan 25^th via ÜberSocialOrig

[trixie]

Came across this the other day on the Twitter page for 475ent. Could have nothing to do with this, but goes to show the mindset of these thugs and their wider circle.

Now taking applications to fill the position of haters!! Haters equal motivation and inspiration!! SNITCHES FILL DITCHES!!!
8:30 AM Jan 25^th via ÜberSocialOrig

That's pleasant..........

[Jane]

WOW!!! Holy Hell!!!! I've been reading all day, I'm confused and whenI think I know something I don't !!! and I don't think I'm totally caught up yet...

I have some thoughts....
the key: does anyone think it's significant that LE released the numbers on that key..almost as if they were overdescribing the key? I'm not debating on what the key might have opened garage, safe, lock box, whatever, I know that's been debated and then redabated..I'm just thinking, LE has released very little information but describing then they describe the key in detail. could it be code for something? could it be a code to a confidential informant? could it be a way to get someone to see if they are lieing? could it be one of those details that LE throws out to bait somebody? just wondering....

YES! I mentioned this earlier on, too. With as little info, as we've gotten out of LE, they DID give detail on the key. I know it's been speculated what the key was for, but why give that bit of detail about the number being on it, if it was obvious what the key was for ??? If the parents knew about this key, then why even mention "a key with the numbers 544 on it" ..? It almost makes one think, the perp dropped it, or left it behind for some reason.

[DickTracy]

Came across this the other day on the Twitter page for 475ent. Could have nothing to do with this, but goes to show the mindset of these thugs and their wider circle.

Now taking applications to fill the position of haters!! Haters equal motivation and inspiration!! SNITCHES FILL DITCHES!!!
8:30 AM Jan 25^th via ÜberSocialOrig

Motivation to be what ? LOSERS???????

[JustSayin...]

And as far as punch holes in the walls,who in the hell would put a safe in the wall, drywall over it. How would they get to it.

Yeah, I wondered about that, too. Safes are not behind drywall. What a weird place to be punching holes in walls, too - a bedroom walk in closet. That made me wonder if Lisa hid in that closet and there was a fight in there.

could be the perps were completely pissed off, not finding a safe, & just decided to smash the drywall, say with a baseball bat, or something. There was some break-ins not far from us, awhile back. The perps, stole small things, like jewelry, any money they could find laying out. Mostly stuff they could put in their pockets, or under a jacket, BUT something they DID do, before leaving, was smash up things, like TV's, lamps, walls. I guess just because they felt like it ??

If you are ignorant, and the only time you have seen a safe it was built into the wall behind a portrait in some movie, I just bet you would put holes in master bedroom walls.

[SayWhat123]

those who are going to benefit...we expect reports of all the things you see and hear.

If I go, there will be pics for sure.

Fo Sho!

[curious]

I hate to even say this or think this, but I'm still holding on to my theory about this crime hitting closer to home than anyone would like to imagine...

Does anyone question the fact JC, Sr. caught a ride with T that night while Maytee stayed behind and rode with cousin? If it's b/c of the two younger ones, what did she find a babysitter for them at 1 AM? ABOVE all as I've stated before, you're not going to catch a ride with someone who less
than an hour later accuse them of NOT murder mind you, but rather "setting up" a murder...doesn't make one bit of sense to me at all...

And what the hell did the dad and T do while they were at the house, obviously they didn't walk around and inspect anything due to lack of footprints?

I don't know, but I understand what you're saying. Something is just 'off', IMO, about that whole, 'going over to the house' thing...I've given up on all the FB characters, now. It only confuses me, LOL. I'm still giving Tiffany the benefit of the doubt, right now. I can't make any sense at all, as to why she would put herself at the crime scene. There was really no need to do that, had she set Johnny up. I STILL think Johnny came into a fairly large amount of dope that day, & I also think Johnny had bragged about a safe, being in that house. Either way, there was money to be made, whether money from a (nonexistent) safe, or large amount of dope. JMO

I conquer and feel like we've been pretty much on the same page since like page 11 Somerhing is just not siting right with me at all and like everyone else, I question and re-question my theory (and yes, I did dream about this last night)...but I keep coming back to my initial theory, albeit horrible and unimaginable as it may seem.

That being said, the alleged heroin bust JC's father was a part of, combined with the speculation/rumors that T is a big time heroin dealer, only further my notion all parties played a role and when things didn't go as planned, it's all about CYA...

*Obviously all of this is complete speculation not based on actual facts

[curious]

WOW!!! Holy Hell!!!! I've been reading all day, I'm confused and whenI think I know something I don't !!! and I don't think I'm totally caught up yet...

I have some thoughts....
the key: does anyone think it's significant that LE released the numbers on that key..almost as if they were overdescribing the key? I'm not debating on what the key might have opened garage, safe, lock box, whatever, I know that's been debated and then redabated..I'm just thinking, LE has released very little information but describing then they describe the key in detail. could it be code for something? could it be a code to a confidential informant? could it be a way to get someone to see if they are lieing? could it be one of those details that LE throws out to bait somebody? just wondering....

YES! I mentioned this earlier on, too. With as little info, as we've gotten out of LE, they DID give detail on the key. I know it's been speculated what the key was for, but why give that bit of detail about the number being on it, if it was obvious what the key was for ??? If the parents knew about this key, then why even mention "a key with the numbers 544 on it" ..? It almost makes one think, the perp dropped it, or left it behind for some reason.

I think it went to a file cabinet that contained the Diners...

[SayWhat123]

I hate to even say this or think this, but I'm still holding on to my theory about this crime hitting closer to home than anyone would like to imagine...

Does anyone question the fact JC, Sr. caught a ride with T that night while Maytee stayed behind and rode with cousin? If it's b/c of the two younger ones, what did she find a babysitter for them at 1 AM? ABOVE all as I've stated before, you're not going to catch a ride with someone who less
than an hour later accuse them of NOT murder mind you, but rather "setting up" a murder...doesn't make one bit of sense to me at all...

And what the hell did the dad and T do while they were at the house, obviously they didn't walk around and inspect anything due to lack of footprints?

I don't know, but I understand what you're saying. Something is just 'off', IMO, about that whole, 'going over to the house' thing...I've given up on all the FB characters, now. It only confuses me, LOL. I'm still giving Tiffany the benefit of the doubt, right now. I can't make any sense at all, as to why she would put herself at the crime scene. There was really no need to do that, had she set Johnny up. I STILL think Johnny came into a fairly large amount of dope that day, & I also think Johnny had bragged about a safe, being in that house. Either way, there was money to be made, whether money from a (nonexistent) safe, or large amount of dope. JMO

Maybe when Johnny went to watch the game he ripped somebody off (drugs) they figured out it was him, went to his house to get their drugs. Killed him and lisa to make a statement. Fuck Wit My Stash I'll Fuck You Up!

[shitstorm]

I had a dream last night that they arrested someone finally. Let's hope that comes true! Although, I did fall asleep listening to my police scanner...

We're all going crazy in here, we need something! We're either going over the exact same things or making up the craziest scenarios.

I have had several dreams about this case! I also am finding myself a little scared to be home alone at night! We've always locked our doors, but anytime I heard a sound or thought I saw a shadow out a window last night I couldn't help but think of this case! Just another reason LE needs to give us some info!

But, last night I heard on the police scanner that some woman's husband was out of town and she heard something on her roof and wanted someone to check it out. Made me laugh cause I could picture myself doing the same thing... I'm a chicken, especially right now, even though I don't think is random in the slightest.

It wasn't me I swear! My husband was gone and I was alone with our 2 year old son. I kept hearing sounds but kept blaming it on the ice! As long as I blame it on something I feel better!

I agree that it's not random. A lot of people here have good ideas on what went down or who did it, and even though I'm not fully convinced on any one, I do believe they knew the killers and this was planned. BUT I do often wonder "well if the people that did this aren't getting caught, maybe they think they can get away with it again and start doing random robberies/murders". You just never know!

WOW. Planned Murder of such young people. I can not even imagine
who, what why. And what type person/people would sit around and
talk about it seriously, let alone do it. It is inconceivable to me.

It's inconceivable to you because you aren't a psychopath.

There have been comments here about how maybe there was a plan for Johnny & Lisa to be saved, discovered, whatever, before they died of suffocation. People allowing their minds to go there do it because they are NORMAL and can't fathom such cruelty. Well, sorry to burst their bubbles but there are a LOT of psychos in the world and things like compassion do not exist in their twisted minds and emotions.

One of things that I find extremely disturbing about our culture is this tendency to be tolerant of deviant and deranged behavior. Case in point are all of these videos that keep appearing in the news where high schools girls beat up one of their "friends". There isn't a one that I've seen where I didn't think every fucking one of these little bitches shouldn't have gone to prison for at least five years. I guarandamntee you that a percentage will go on to commit more horrific crimes. THEY ARE ALL SOCIOPATHS and they are devoid of normal feelings and emotions. They have no moral compass. They are a disease that needs to be eradicated. They're stage two cancer and the people who killed Johnny & Lisa are stage four. There was time that this shitwould not have tolerated in America. Now it's mainstream and on MTV. Makes me ill.

Sorry because I'm know I'm ranting but I getting so fucking mad when knowing what was done to these kids. I'm fed up with a society that tolerates the most violent dirtbags and arrests non violent people for growing pot plants. Everything is upside down. We are always constantly lectured by the bleeding heart politically correct about people being "disadvantaged". Well fuck that. It's in every public school, now, and it's infecting and changing the younger generations. Music, video games, movies, teevee, all promotes this thug culture and we are reaping the results of it. It's fucking EVERYWHERE.

[Red_velvet71]

I have had several dreams about this case! I also am finding myself a little scared to be home alone at night! We've always locked our doors, but anytime I heard a sound or thought I saw a shadow out a window last night I couldn't help but think of this case! Just another reason LE needs to give us some info!

But, last night I heard on the police scanner that some woman's husband was out of town and she heard something on her roof and wanted someone to check it out. Made me laugh cause I could picture myself doing the same thing... I'm a chicken, especially right now, even though I don't think is random in the slightest.

It wasn't me I swear! My husband was gone and I was alone with our 2 year old son. I kept hearing sounds but kept blaming it on the ice! As long as I blame it on something I feel better!

I agree that it's not random. A lot of people here have good ideas on what went down or who did it, and even though I'm not fully convinced on any one, I do believe they knew the killers and this was planned. BUT I do often wonder "well if the people that did this aren't getting caught, maybe they think they can get away with it again and start doing random robberies/murders". You just never know!

WOW. Planned Murder of such young people. I can not even imagine
who, what why. And what type person/people would sit around and
talk about it seriously, let alone do it. It is inconceivable to me.

It's inconceivable to you because you aren't a psychopath.

There have been comments here about how maybe there was a plan for Johnny & Lisa to be saved, discovered, whatever, before they died of suffocation. People allowing their minds to go there do it because they are NORMAL and can't fathom such cruelty. Well, sorry to burst their bubbles but there are a LOT of psychos in the world and things like compassion do not exist in their twisted minds and emotions.

One of things that I find extremely disturbing about our culture is this tendency to be tolerant of deviant and deranged behavior. Case in point are all of these videos that keep appearing in the news where high schools girls beat up one of their "friends". There isn't a one that I've seen where I didn't think every fucking one of these little bitches shouldn't have gone to prison for at least five years. I guarandamntee you that a percentage will go on to commit more horrific crimes. THEY ARE ALL SOCIOPATHS and they are devoid of normal feelings and emotions. They have no moral compass. They are a disease that needs to be eradicated. They're stage two cancer and the people who killed Johnny & Lisa are stage four. There was time that this shitwould not have tolerated in America. Now it's mainstream and on MTV. Makes me ill.

Sorry because I'm know I'm ranting but I getting so fucking mad when knowing what was done to these kids. I'm fed up with a society that tolerates the most violent dirtbags and arrests non violent people for growing pot plants. Everything is upside down. We are always constantly lectured by the bleeding heart politically correct about people being "disadvantaged". Well fuck that. It's in every public school, now, and it's infecting and changing the younger generations. Music, video games, movies, teevee, all promotes this thug culture and we are reaping the results of it. It's fucking EVERYWHERE.

I couldn't agree more!

[SayWhat123]

I have had several dreams about this case! I also am finding myself a little scared to be home alone at night! We've always locked our doors, but anytime I heard a sound or thought I saw a shadow out a window last night I couldn't help but think of this case! Just another reason LE needs to give us some info!

But, last night I heard on the police scanner that some woman's husband was out of town and she heard something on her roof and wanted someone to check it out. Made me laugh cause I could picture myself doing the same thing... I'm a chicken, especially right now, even though I don't think is random in the slightest.

It wasn't me I swear! My husband was gone and I was alone with our 2 year old son. I kept hearing sounds but kept blaming it on the ice! As long as I blame it on something I feel better!

I agree that it's not random. A lot of people here have good ideas on what went down or who did it, and even though I'm not fully convinced on any one, I do believe they knew the killers and this was planned. BUT I do often wonder "well if the people that did this aren't getting caught, maybe they think they can get away with it again and start doing random robberies/murders". You just never know!

WOW. Planned Murder of such young people. I can not even imagine
who, what why. And what type person/people would sit around and
talk about it seriously, let alone do it. It is inconceivable to me.

It's inconceivable to you because you aren't a psychopath.

There have been comments here about how maybe there was a plan for Johnny & Lisa to be saved, discovered, whatever, before they died of suffocation. People allowing their minds to go there do it because they are NORMAL and can't fathom such cruelty. Well, sorry to burst their bubbles but there are a LOT of psychos in the world and things like compassion do not exist in their twisted minds and emotions.

One of things that I find extremely disturbing about our culture is this tendency to be tolerant of deviant and deranged behavior. Case in point are all of these videos that keep appearing in the news where high schools girls beat up one of their "friends". There isn't a one that I've seen where I didn't think every fucking one of these little bitches shouldn't have gone to prison for at least five years. I guarandamntee you that a percentage will go on to commit more horrific crimes. THEY ARE ALL SOCIOPATHS and they are devoid of normal feelings and emotions. They have no moral compass. They are a disease that needs to be eradicated. They're stage two cancer and the people who killed Johnny & Lisa are stage four. There was time that this shitwould not have tolerated in America. Now it's mainstream and on MTV. Makes me ill.

Sorry because I'm know I'm ranting but I getting so fucking mad when knowing what was done to these kids. I'm fed up with a society that tolerates the most violent dirtbags and arrests non violent people for growing pot plants. Everything is upside down. We are always constantly lectured by the bleeding heart politically correct about people being "disadvantaged". Well fuck that. It's in every public school, now, and it's infecting and changing the younger generations. Music, video games, movies, teevee, all promotes this thug culture and we are reaping the results of it. It's fucking EVERYWHERE.

I completely agree with you. We as parents (well most of us in some ways) are also to blame because alot of us have allowed our children access to these video games, music, TV ect.. I did censor a lot of what my kids did, but if I could go back I would have censored a lot more of it. Hindsite is 20/20.

[Freshbait78]

Would she wear pink and black interband pants?? And what are they anyway?

They sound like yoga pants to me. Victoria's Secret sells some & they are cute enough to wear out.

That's what they sound like to me too. The pants that have a high waist that you fold over. Like these:

I agree that that's what they were.

BTW, where did you find those? I have some and want another pair but can't find them.

I just did a google image search of black & pink yoga pants That probably won't help ya much. Sorry

[Lady Cop]

a little hint people... ...you needn't quote 5000 words to add a one sentence comment. you can trim quotes down. my mind shuts down and my eyes glaze over when faced with 5 or 6 quote boxes. sorry to pick on anyone, but i have noticed it for days.
i only mention it because i know many are new to forums. this post will just fall in a random spot, not aimed at any one person.