Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[SayWhat123]

a little hint people... ...you needn't quote 5000 words to add a one sentence comment. you can trim quotes down. my mind shuts down and my eyes glaze over when faced with 5 or 6 quote boxes. sorry to pick on anyone, but i have noticed it for days.
i only mention it because i know many are new to forums. this post will just fall in a random spot, not aimed at any one person.

Oh.....ok didnt think of that thanks.

[trixie]

I guarandamntee you that a percentage will go on to commit more horrific crimes.

For the use of guarandamntee... Almost as good as rigoddamndiculous.

[onefortheroad]

Sorry because I'm know I'm ranting but I getting so fucking mad when knowing what was done to these kids. I'm fed up with a society that tolerates the most violent dirtbags and arrests non violent people for growing pot plants. Everything is upside down. We are always constantly lectured by the bleeding heart politically correct about people being "disadvantaged". Well fuck that. It's in every public school, now, and it's infecting and changing the younger generations. Music, video games, movies, teevee, all promotes this thug culture and we are reaping the results of it. It's fucking EVERYWHERE.

hear, hear!

[trixie]

a little hint people... ...you needn't quote 5000 words to add a one sentence comment. you can trim quotes down. my mind shuts down and my eyes glaze over when faced with 5 or 6 quote boxes. sorry to pick on anyone, but i have noticed it for days.
i only mention it because i know many are new to forums. this post will just fall in a random spot, not aimed at any one person.

Thanks for the tip!

[notsure]

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/23/young-...ohio-town/
Found this on AOL today they mention the murder of Johnny and Lisa towards the end.

but I started a thread on this article. If anyone cares to read and voice your opinion, it will also be interesting to see the outcome of this story as well.

Browntabby, thanks for putting the link up.

dont forget the woman who went missing from holland a month ago, the shooting of a 19 in detroit over a fake craiglist ad, the 3 missing boys from morenci mi, the murdered mother in belfontain ohio, and the missing elderly couple from belfontain, the guy stabbed to death over a cigarette when he got off work at a coffee shop in toledo, a doiuble stabbing in I think findlay just recently. Are there others? wtf. is the shit economy and the general state of things pushing people over the edge that were already on the edge. is it people can't afford thier psych meds? storm I'm guessing you may have a thoery on that

[ZEROSPHERES]

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/23/young-...ohio-town/
Found this on AOL today they mention the murder of Johnny and Lisa towards the end.

but I started a thread on this article. If anyone cares to read and voice your opinion, it will also be interesting to see the outcome of this story as well.

Browntabby, thanks for putting the link up.

dont forget the woman who went missing from holland a month ago, the shooting of a 19 in detroit over a fake craiglist ad, the 3 missing boys from morenci mi, the murdered mother in belfontain ohio, and the missing elderly couple from belfontain, the guy stabbed to death over a cigarette when he got off work at a coffee shop in toledo, a doiuble stabbing in I think findlay just recently. Are there others? wtf. is the shit economy and the general state of things pushing people over the edge that were already on the edge. is it people can't afford thier psych meds? storm I'm guessing you may have a thoery on that

Me thinks we are all watching Rome burn..The empire falls from within...from the weight of its own corruption

[imsuchawildflower]

I have had several dreams about this case! I also am finding myself a little scared to be home alone at night! We've always locked our doors, but anytime I heard a sound or thought I saw a shadow out a window last night I couldn't help but think of this case! Just another reason LE needs to give us some info!

But, last night I heard on the police scanner that some woman's husband was out of town and she heard something on her roof and wanted someone to check it out. Made me laugh cause I could picture myself doing the same thing... I'm a chicken, especially right now, even though I don't think is random in the slightest.

It wasn't me I swear! My husband was gone and I was alone with our 2 year old son. I kept hearing sounds but kept blaming it on the ice! As long as I blame it on something I feel better!

I agree that it's not random. A lot of people here have good ideas on what went down or who did it, and even though I'm not fully convinced on any one, I do believe they knew the killers and this was planned. BUT I do often wonder "well if the people that did this aren't getting caught, maybe they think they can get away with it again and start doing random robberies/murders". You just never know!

WOW. Planned Murder of such young people. I can not even imagine
who, what why. And what type person/people would sit around and
talk about it seriously, let alone do it. It is inconceivable to me.

It's inconceivable to you because you aren't a psychopath.

There have been comments here about how maybe there was a plan for Johnny & Lisa to be saved, discovered, whatever, before they died of suffocation. People allowing their minds to go there do it because they are NORMAL and can't fathom such cruelty. Well, sorry to burst their bubbles but there are a LOT of psychos in the world and things like compassion do not exist in their twisted minds and emotions.

One of things that I find extremely disturbing about our culture is this tendency to be tolerant of deviant and deranged behavior. Case in point are all of these videos that keep appearing in the news where high schools girls beat up one of their "friends". There isn't a one that I've seen where I didn't think every fucking one of these little bitches shouldn't have gone to prison for at least five years. I guarandamntee you that a percentage will go on to commit more horrific crimes. THEY ARE ALL SOCIOPATHS and they are devoid of normal feelings and emotions. They have no moral compass. They are a disease that needs to be eradicated. They're stage two cancer and the people who killed Johnny & Lisa are stage four. There was time that this shitwould not have tolerated in America. Now it's mainstream and on MTV. Makes me ill.

Sorry because I'm know I'm ranting but I getting so fucking mad when knowing what was done to these kids. I'm fed up with a society that tolerates the most violent dirtbags and arrests non violent people for growing pot plants. Everything is upside down. We are always constantly lectured by the bleeding heart politically correct about people being "disadvantaged". Well fuck that. It's in every public school, now, and it's infecting and changing the younger generations. Music, video games, movies, teevee, all promotes this thug culture and we are reaping the results of it. It's fucking EVERYWHERE.

Im a substitute teacher...and I couldnt agree with you more. Its gotten ridiculous.

[notsure]

LE has released very little information but describing then they describe the key in detail. could it be code for something? could it be a code to a confidential informant? could it be a way to get someone to see if they are lieing? could it be one of those details that LE throws out to bait somebody? just wondering....

They did say alot about that key.

I think it is pretty solid (earlier unknown said the following)that the key goes to the mainframe box for the securty alarm that is in the basement and I think unknown further stated the key was kept in the same envelope with the security alarm manual. The search warrant was what gave the info on the key, not any presser by le or anyone else. a search warrant needs to be fairly specific. Why would they want the key......prints dude prints!!!!!!!! not because it opened th crate that holds the ark of the covenant in that abandoned warehouse. FINGER PRINTS!

[kitty1]

So does anyone want to speculate as to why they were murdered in the kitchen? you do know that the kitchen is an unusual room for a homicide to occur in in a home invasion crime of this nature. especially in a home that has a basement which by all accounts this home did have.

Where did you hear there was a basement? And don't say Maytee told you

lol, well Maytee DID tell the 911 dispatcher that Johnny was tied up, in the basement ?

I've always wondered if her cousin, who saw them through the window, may have said something to Maytee like, "I looked DOWN and saw them..." and Maytee assumed basement. Later Maytee described the cousin looking DOWN through the blinds. I'm sure it was utter madness in those moments :(

I agree. I have always thought that Maytee sucked at the "telephone game" in gradeschool. Alot of the info we have is what Maytee said that so and so said. There is alot of 2^nd and 3^rd hand info. I think it was a combo of stress, chaos and possibly embellishing info to expedite LE arrival.

[imsuchawildflower]

Sorry because I'm know I'm ranting but I getting so fucking mad when knowing what was done to these kids. I'm fed up with a society that tolerates the most violent dirtbags and arrests non violent people for growing pot plants. Everything is upside down. We are always constantly lectured by the bleeding heart politically correct about people being "disadvantaged". Well fuck that. It's in every public school, now, and it's infecting and changing the younger generations. Music, video games, movies, teevee, all promotes this thug culture and we are reaping the results of it. It's fucking EVERYWHERE.
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Im a substitute teacher...and I couldnt agree with you more. Its gotten ridiculous.

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and then for Trixie...theres always *ricockulous*...my personal favorite

[shitstorm]

LISA AND HER FRIEND SARAH THAT WAS ON THE NEWS
CLICK TO MAKE LARGER

Did you notice what a nice looking bunch of kids these were but the subtle gangsta garbage present? A couple were flashing those idiotic hand signs. Wannabees, for sure, but it demonstrates how the dregs of American society is influencing and infiltrating the mainstream. There used to be a sort of cultural firewall that kept shit like that corralled. No more, thanks to all of the multicultural bullshit.

[trixie]

LISA AND HER FRIEND SARAH THAT WAS ON THE NEWS
CLICK TO MAKE LARGER

Did you notice what a nice looking bunch of kids these were but the subtle gangsta garbage present? A couple were flashing those idiotic hand signs. Wannabees, for sure, but it demonstrates how the dregs of American society is influencing and infiltrating the mainstream. There used to be a sort of cultural firewall that kept shit like that corralled. No more, thanks to all of the multicultural bullshit.

Congrats on your 500^th post..

[shitstorm]

SOMEBODY has to know something!!! Locals, what are you hearing?

I've heard rumors it was AP.

You are not alone.....looks like someone called crimestoppers a while back and Jane was able to snag a copy of his distain.

- Jane - 02-13-2011 03:08 AM

AG just posted this, 3 minutes ago, on Facebook

so does anyone want to admit to calling crimestopper on me? all of u fuck niggaz n bitches need

to get it together foreal..sell ur soul for some short shit... sell ur soul perioddd....very sad but we

do live in a city full of snitches, informants, u know shit like that...... whatever u call a person

that can commit a crime but not do the time that comes wit it.......

Since his wall is private, I assume you're a FB friend. Be cautious. Keep it comin', though and copy the cops.

the comments I got off his FB above, were before he made his wall private..

Oh, thanks Jane. I missed that the other poster was quoting you.

[TotallyCurious]

I hope LE says something soon. Even if they are just working
on it. The thing that always disheartens me is when the
evidence is irrevocable, they get lawyer-ed up and I believe
they begin to think they didn't do it or it was OK to do it.

OT - I do not understand why LE took away the charges
against Jared Loughner when they have photographs of him
shooting Gabbie Giffords.

[shitstorm]

In these pictures, there is a kid wearing a rebels shirt. Rebels is the mascot for bowsher. Evidently they were springfield kids hanging around bowsher kids. Where did johnny go to high school? Bowsher. Percs and oxy's were extremely popular in the area around the time of the pictures. Still are. Maybe some of the guys in the pics bought percs from johnny. Johnny shows up at a party where lisa is to sell and do percs and wha-la. Johnny meets lisa. The pictures do show they like to have a good time. The pic where lisa is close to a guy with the hat on is lisa's sisters boyfriend by the way.

One of the pics with those stupid hand signs is captioned, "The boys from the south haha".

[SayWhat123]

[/quote]
and then for Trixie...theres always *ricockulous*...my personal favorite

[/quote]

Ok so we have rigoddamdiculous, gaurendamteee, ricockulous, anymore and were going to have to invent the MOCKtionary.

[shitstorm]

I think they punched holes in the wall because this was what was quoted:
"There is a kitchen with an island and an open eating area that went into an open family room," he told the Blade. "That was not ransacked, but you could tell there was a fight that ensued there. Plants were knocked over. Things were broken and knocked over, but upstairs, Mary Beth and Jeff's room was ransacked to the point where it looked like a TV show. All the drawers were out, and they had punched holes in the walk-in closet looking for a safe that never existed. There was no safe."

How did the uncle come to the conclusion the perps were looking for a safe...was it from rumors that JC told people about there being a safe combined with holes being "punched" in the walls, presumedly by one's fist given the terminology used? IDK it seems like there's more insight to that claim, of which the public has not been made aware...

The very first I heard the word safe was from Maytee. Now, how would
she know what the intruders were looking for? Maybe they were
looking for guns. As a parent, if I had 100K cash around I would not
let any of my family know about it. The 'behind the wall' seems even
stupid for the stupidest criminal.

I can't figure out where this 100K part came from. I never heard that in the news reports.

Maytee mentioned a safe? Is that in one of her interviews?

[shitstorm]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I do believe this guy was in pics with Tiff.

I thought the same thing! And the minor was in that picture too!

Ditto, I also thought that was the same kid

Are you talking about the two photos that were in Tiffany's FB page, in a sort of dark room, a close up of four people (two guys and two girls, Bre & Tiff, I think)? I thought the guy on the left was AP (wearing a hat).

[trixie]

Ok so we have rigoddamdiculous, gaurendamteee, ricockulous, anymore and were going to have to invent the MOCKtionary.

Rigoddamndiculous is a part of my everyday vocabulary.

[Countryside_Belle]

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[b]a little hint people... ...you needn't quote 5000 words to add a one sentence comment. you can trim

Thank you! It drives me craaaaazy as well!