Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[concerned]

I have no sympathy for Tiffany...She is a liar. Trollop, drug dealer, thief, likes sleeping with underage young men. Do I need to say more. She likes her lifestyle and isnt going to change it.

[toledoarea]

If Tiff was a teacher, she'd be Mary Kay Letourneau

[My3littlepiggies]

Just a little something. I don't know if it sheds any light on the crime. About ten years ago a group of friends that had just graduated a couple of years before from Bowsher High School (same high school as a lot of these characters) murdered their friend for drugs. Shot him in the back of the head while they were riding in his car and broke all his bones and shoved him in a drain pipe. It took about a year for LE to get the whole case together but they did get a conviction. This was a robbery for drug money. Although, the method of murder is not the same it was still very brutal. I don't remember all the reports but I believe they also poured gasoline or acid on him. However, contrary to what several people want to harp on. Toledo is not a shithole filled in drug dealing criminals. We have problems like any other big city. (we are not a tiny honkey tonk town) But Toledo is not a shithole.

I guess that would depend on your definition of "shithole." If there is a nice part of toledo, I'd love to find it.

Ummm, quite a few. Crossgates area, Heatherdowns area, Beverly area, Harvard Area.

Don't be knockin' my city. I am not a thug but I am a 3^rd generation south ender and I take pride in where I am from. Not gang pride but we can't all be suburban snobs. Thats what they call "white flight". People get scared and leave and don't put anything back in.

[toledoarea]

Just a little something. I don't know if it sheds any light on the crime. About ten years ago a group of friends that had just graduated a couple of years before from Bowsher High School (same high school as a lot of these characters) murdered their friend for drugs. Shot him in the back of the head while they were riding in his car and broke all his bones and shoved him in a drain pipe. It took about a year for LE to get the whole case together but they did get a conviction. This was a robbery for drug money. Although, the method of murder is not the same it was still very brutal. I don't remember all the reports but I believe they also poured gasoline or acid on him. However, contrary to what several people want to harp on. Toledo is not a shithole filled in drug dealing criminals. We have problems like any other big city. (we are not a tiny honkey tonk town) But Toledo is not a shithole.

I guess that would depend on your definition of "shithole." If there is a nice part of toledo, I'd love to find it.

Ummm, quite a few. Crossgates area, Heatherdowns area, Beverly area, Harvard Area.

Don't be knockin' my city. I am not a thug but I am a 3^rd generation south ender and I take pride in where I am from. Not gang pride but we can't all be suburban snobs. Thats what they call "white flight". People get scared and leave and don't put anything back in.

Toledo is great, and don't let them fool ya. Toledo is bigger than any burb in the area. Perrysburg is a burb that's know to be a nice area but if you go the the heights, it's like your right back on the 300 BLOCC of Western

[curious]

Geeze, if anyone on this forum works for the Toledo Convention & Visitors Bureau I would highly recommend a new image/marketing plans be in the works :O

[EastCoastKat]

Just a little something. I don't know if it sheds any light on the crime. About ten years ago a group of friends that had just graduated a couple of years before from Bowsher High School (same high school as a lot of these characters) murdered their friend for drugs. Shot him in the back of the head while they were riding in his car and broke all his bones and shoved him in a drain pipe. It took about a year for LE to get the whole case together but they did get a conviction. This was a robbery for drug money. Although, the method of murder is not the same it was still very brutal. I don't remember all the reports but I believe they also poured gasoline or acid on him. However, contrary to what several people want to harp on. Toledo is not a shithole filled in drug dealing criminals. We have problems like any other big city. (we are not a tiny honkey tonk town) But Toledo is not a shithole.

I guess that would depend on your definition of "shithole." If there is a nice part of toledo, I'd love to find it.

Ummm, quite a few. Crossgates area, Heatherdowns area, Beverly area, Harvard Area.

Don't be knockin' my city. I am not a thug but I am a 3^rd generation south ender and I take pride in where I am from. Not gang pride but we can't all be suburban snobs. Thats what they call "white flight". People get scared and leave and don't put anything back in.

I agree, I have seen happen with so many cities, it started with "white flight" and then went to middle class flight, trying to get their kids out of the cities.

[curious]

Geeze, if anyone on this forum works for the Toledo Convention & Visitors Bureau I would highly recommend a new image/marketing plans be in the works :O

I can see it now...Toldeo: Living in a Gangtas Paradise

Sorry, couldn't resist

[EastCoastKat]

If Tiff was a teacher, she'd be Mary Kay Letourneau

Or Pam Smart!

[My3littlepiggies]

Geeze, if anyone on this forum works for the Toledo Convention & Visitors Bureau I would highly recommend a new image/marketing plans be in the works :O

I can see it now...Toldeo: Living in a Gangtas Paradise

Sorry, couldn't resist

Ok I want to clear up what everybody sees on the facebook pages. Its called hip hop style. Its a style. Flat billed hat big sweatpants and such. Doesn't mean your a gangster or a criminal. Its a style. Most city kids dress like that. Though some of the people on the pages might very well be criminals I'm sure that all of them aren't. My husband dresses and talks like that. He's not a gangster or a criminal. He's just a guy who grew up in a mixed culture. He's not a poser either. This is urban not suburb crap.

[JustSayin...]

Just a little something. I don't know if it sheds any light on the crime. About ten years ago a group of friends that had just graduated a couple of years before from Bowsher High School (same high school as a lot of these characters) murdered their friend for drugs. Shot him in the back of the head while they were riding in his car and broke all his bones and shoved him in a drain pipe. It took about a year for LE to get the whole case together but they did get a conviction. This was a robbery for drug money. Although, the method of murder is not the same it was still very brutal. I don't remember all the reports but I believe they also poured gasoline or acid on him. However, contrary to what several people want to harp on. Toledo is not a shithole filled in drug dealing criminals. We have problems like any other big city. (we are not a tiny honkey tonk town) But Toledo is not a shithole.

I guess that would depend on your definition of "shithole." If there is a nice part of toledo, I'd love to find it.

Beverly/OLPH/Toledo Christian (I would choose over any burb), Crossgates/St.Pats/Joan of Arc, Old Orchard/Gesu, Several areas of West Toledo are nice. Also the Old West End Community swears by it. They say they all watch out for each other and that keeps them safe and they have a very close community because of it.

[EastCoastKat]

Geeze, if anyone on this forum works for the Toledo Convention & Visitors Bureau I would highly recommend a new image/marketing plans be in the works :O

I can see it now...Toldeo: Living in a Gangtas Paradise

Sorry, couldn't resist

Ok I want to clear up what everybody sees on the facebook pages. Its called hip hop style. Its a style. Flat billed hat big sweatpants and such. Doesn't mean your a gangster or a criminal. Its a style. Most city kids dress like that. Though some of the people on the pages might very well be criminals I'm sure that all of them aren't. My husband dresses and talks like that. He's not a gangster or a criminal. He's just a guy who grew up in a mixed culture. He's not a poser either. This is urban not suburb crap.

Agreed. For some it is urban style and even some suburbans dress like this and talk like this....and then there is that element of criminal. It's like I said before, in the 1960's we had hippies, and for some it was a lifestyle and for others it was just a style, and for the ciminals it was an easy way for a wolf to wear sheeps clothing and mingle among the sheep without them even knowing until it was too late, ie Charlie Manson.

[EastCoastKat]

I'm going to call the Lucas County LE and ask them...
Come on please, please just give the initials of the POI and I won't bother you again....pleasssseeee

[JustSayin...]

Just a little something. I don't know if it sheds any light on the crime. About ten years ago a group of friends that had just graduated a couple of years before from Bowsher High School (same high school as a lot of these characters) murdered their friend for drugs. Shot him in the back of the head while they were riding in his car and broke all his bones and shoved him in a drain pipe. It took about a year for LE to get the whole case together but they did get a conviction. This was a robbery for drug money. Although, the method of murder is not the same it was still very brutal. I don't remember all the reports but I believe they also poured gasoline or acid on him. However, contrary to what several people want to harp on. Toledo is not a shithole filled in drug dealing criminals. We have problems like any other big city. (we are not a tiny honkey tonk town) But Toledo is not a shithole.

I guess that would depend on your definition of "shithole." If there is a nice part of toledo, I'd love to find it.

Ummm, quite a few. Crossgates area, Heatherdowns area, Beverly area, Harvard Area.

Don't be knockin' my city. I am not a thug but I am a 3^rd generation south ender and I take pride in where I am from. Not gang pride but we can't all be suburban snobs. Thats what they call "white flight". People get scared and leave and don't put anything back in.

Geeze, if anyone on this forum works for the Toledo Convention & Visitors Bureau I would highly recommend a new image/marketing plans be in the works :O

I can see it now...Toldeo: Living in a Gangtas Paradise

Sorry, couldn't resist

If there wasn't a foot of snow outside I would post pictures of both sides of the tracks! It would show how ridiculous some of this Toledo is all ghetto talk is. I know plenty of Drs., lawyers, etc. that would live no where else. Toledo has a lot of positive going on, but obviously this is a big problem.

[onefortheroad]

an easy way for a wolf to wear sheeps clothing and mingle among the sheep without them even knowing until it was too late

+1

[Lady Cop]

just a note to those to whom it applies:

A. get an avatar.

B. learn to use quote function correctly.

i am wasting too much time sending/repeating PMs about it.

i'm going to start making people newbies again w/o notice or warning.

help is here:

http://mockforums.net/thread-4825.html

[curious]

Geeze, if anyone on this forum works for the Toledo Convention & Visitors Bureau I would highly recommend a new image/marketing plans be in the works :O

I can see it now...Toldeo: Living in a Gangtas Paradise

Sorry, couldn't resist

Ok I want to clear up what everybody sees on the facebook pages. Its called hip hop style. Its a style. Flat billed hat big sweatpants and such. Doesn't mean your a gangster or a criminal. Its a style. Most city kids dress like that. Though some of the people on the pages might very well be criminals I'm sure that all of them aren't. My husband dresses and talks like that. He's not a gangster or a criminal. He's just a guy who grew up in a mixed culture. He's not a poser either. This is urban not suburb crap.

Agreed. For some it is urban style and even some suburbans dress like this and talk like this....and then there is that element of criminal. It's like I said before, in
the 1960's we had hippies, and for some it was a lifestyle and for others it was just a style, and for the ciminals it was an easy way for a wolf to wear sheeps clothing and mingle among the sheep without them even knowing until it was too late, ie Charlie Manson.

Let me be more clear...going by what's been posted in THIS forum, pages 1- 999,000 you couldn't pay me enough money to live there...hence the reference to a new image/marketing campaign.

Look, hopefully we're all adults and we can somehow find a way to incert some comic relief in this horrible tragedy, albeit sinister at that.

Agree that this generation's style and verbal symantics are vastly different from say, the 60's, but trying to compare cultural movements with thugs who bring violence and street crime to communities has hardly any relevence on their attire or use of slang, so to to speak.

[Methusala]

[quote='curious' pid='135603' dateline='1298652634']

Ok I want to clear up what everybody sees on the facebook pages. Its called hip hop style. Its a style. Flat billed hat big sweatpants and such. Doesn't mean your a gangster or a criminal. Its a style. Most city kids dress like that. Though some of the people on the pages might very well be criminals I'm sure that all of them aren't. My husband dresses and talks like that. He's not a gangster or a criminal. He's just a guy who grew up in a mixed culture. He's not a poser either. This is urban not suburb crap.

I get the clothes. We wore crazy clothes as teenagers in the 50s. And before me many adults dressed like gangsters or rum runners during prohibition in the 20s. And of course many of us dressed like hippies in the 60s and 70s with beards, long hair, flared jeans, bandanas around the forehead, etc.

What I don't get is posing in deliberately mean, arrogant, threatening poses, flashing signs with your fingers; and in many cases posing with a gun, or in a group picture with someone else holding a gun.

How do you and your husband feel about facebook pictures like those?

[toledoarea]

[quote='curious' pid='135603' dateline='1298652634']

Ok I want to clear up what everybody sees on the facebook pages. Its called hip hop style. Its a style. Flat billed hat big sweatpants and such. Doesn't mean your a gangster or a criminal. Its a style. Most city kids dress like that. Though some of the people on the pages might very well be criminals I'm sure that all of them aren't. My husband dresses and talks like that. He's not a gangster or a criminal. He's just a guy who grew up in a mixed culture. He's not a poser either. This is urban not suburb crap.

I get the clothes. We wore crazy clothes as teenagers in the 50s. And before me many adults dressed like gangsters or rum runners during prohibition in the 20s.

What I don't get is posing in deliberately mean, arrogant, threatening poses, flashing signs with your fingers; and in many cases posing with a gun, or in a group picture with someone else holding a gun.

How do you and your husband feel about facebook pictures like those?

Yeah, and how about the pictures of the cups of "lean", "dat purple drank", and the photos of the "sizzurp in da baby bottlez" is that all just culture?

[ZEROSPHERES]

Welcome back Methusala....I have missed you

zero

[Methusala]

Thanks, Zero.

I always liked superheroes, so a flying penguin is always a welcome sight.

Especially with a bright red cape flowing.