Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Methusala]

this was just posted on the JC and LS facebook case open discussion page:
THis is a GREAT theory...that I don't think anyone has really mentioned in the past 557 pages:

I think it might have been possible for the attackers to have been in the house when Johnny and Lisa got there.

I did.

[ToledoNative]

This is really funny, from the Gangs of Toledo page.

WE GOT BLACKZ WHITEZ MEXICANZ KOREANZ JEWZ & POLEZ

I just love the fact that JEWZ and POLEZ are not included in WHITEZ.

Im VERY Polish...and white.
I was born with complimentary sunglasses for those that have to look
at my white legs...
The poor Poles...always the butt of the joke. LOL

Huh? What are you talking about? No, I've never heard a joke about someone just because their last name ends in "ski"! LOL!

[shitstorm]

This is really funny, from the Gangs of Toledo page.

WE GOT BLACKZ WHITEZ MEXICANZ KOREANZ JEWZ & POLEZ

I just love the fact that JEWZ and POLEZ are not included in WHITEZ.

"Jewz"

lol

[DickTracy]

I would like someone's thoughts on something, but I do not want to post it here. If anyone is around pm me.

[curious]

Ripping open a bag would leave fingerprints, as would a gap in time leave "holes"...interpret as you will...

What are you driving at?

Not 100% sure yet, but as much as i hate to think it from the very beginning ive thought JC's parents are somehow imvolved...specifically the dad, so I'm just throwing things out there...hopefully to prove myself wrong

[ZEROSPHERES]

@ ZERO

I couldn't understand everything that said in that video but I didn't hear the comment left on that gang blog. Did you?

sorry, me neither

[shitstorm]

Ripping open a bag would leave fingerprints, as would a gap in time leave "holes"...interpret as you will...

What are you driving at?

Not 100% sure yet, but as much as i hate to think it from the very beginning ive thought JC's parents are somehow imvolved...specifically the dad, so I'm just throwing things out there...hopefully to prove myself wrong

No way.

I would like that big blocc (lol) of time accounted for, though.

[ToledoNative]

Ripping open a bag would leave fingerprints, as would a gap in time leave "holes"...interpret as you will...

What are you driving at?

Not 100% sure yet, but as much as i hate to think it from the very beginning ive thought JC's parents are somehow imvolved...specifically the dad, so I'm just throwing things out there...hopefully to prove myself wrong

No way.

I would like that big blocc (lol) of time accounted for, though.

I KNEW IT!
Shitstorm is a Crip! LOL

[imsuchawildflower]

I never got to read "Grieving Friend" either, I didn't copy it fast enough, lol!

i'm pretty sure that "grieving friend" and are one in the same. They both posted the same info about Mr.Z calling her mom looking for money!!!!!!!!!!! diddn't anyone else catch that? The original post was on WS forum. it was removed. someone cut and pasted it to another forum where it still is (MDS)post 112 page 5. grieving friend also posted on TCR. the mother of grieving friend is friends with Mr Z's mom. the mother of xxx is friends with mr Z's mom

post112 page 5 as kitty1 above mentioned...

am a grieving friend. I have a lot of information on this case. I am writing to get my own emotion off my chest and get any information from you (the people). Where to start,

Part 1: My mother gets a phone call around 10:00pm Sunday night from a guy by the name Mr.Z who dates the girl who was on the phone with johnny at 11:00pm the night the murders took place. Mr.Z was trying to borrow money from my mom and said it was for diapers for his child that he's going to be watching within the next couple of days. My mom who is a friend of his mom knows that he has a percocet addiction so she says no that she had no money, she had bills to pay earlier that day. The next day I get a phone call letting me know what happened to Lisa, and I call my mom grieving and telling her what happened and she lets me know that Mr.Z just had the cops over his house and had taken him downtown. Since Mr.Z phone was the last one to talk to Johnny. She then lets me know he was trying to get money off her that night.

Part 2: The girl who was on the phone with Johnny. We'll call her Ms.T I have been over to Mr.Z house over the years since he lives with his mom and I help her out on occasions. Well over the past few weeks I've gone over there she had first let me know that Mr.Z was dating a heroin dealer by the name of Ms.T. I was like wow. She said she buys him whatever he wants. New shoes, clothing, dinners. Problem is Mr.Z likes to run all over his mom so she lets him get away with about anything. About 2 weeks ago I go over there and she tells me hes been doing really bad and has been going through withdraws from percocet.

Part 3: The 911 calls were released. I listened to them and Johnny's mother said that Ms.T had talked to her son cause they were going to hang out over at Lisa parents and they were waiting to be picked up. Ms.T said she was on the phone with Johnny and heard the saying from the paper that was:'Who are you? What do you want? What are you doing here? (which that isn't what was said I come to find out. I'll address that next. She says she heard the phone drop and then the phone went dead. We'll the mother states Ms.T drove to the house (w/ Mr.Z) and tried to ring the door bell a bunch of times and had no answer so she then called a girl named Shirita who then called a Ruben who then called the mother. Which then the mother contacted the police at 1:21 a.m. So, here's what I'm getting, at 11:00 o'clock Ms. T hears the robbery taking place so she drives over to Lisa's house which its a 20 min drive from South St. rings the door bell and no one answers? So she stays there and calls here friend Shirita instead of calling the cops? Well Ms.T and Mr.Z leave the scene and somehow gets a hold of Johnny's dad which they go pick him up then drive back to the house which the cops show about then.

Part. 4: Wednesday the 2^nd I get a phone call from Mr.Z's mom asking for help with a phone she found in her room and that her laptop was stolen right out her bedroom with the case. Like someone in the house had the time to package it all up and then take it. I say it was probably your son since he a percaddicit, she agreed. She asked me how I was doing and I said I'm upset over what happened to Lisa she says yea Mr.Z had the cops over there since Johnny was Mr.Z's best friend and that Ms.T was on the phone with Johnny at the time it happen. I thought here's my chance to ask whatever I can to get whatever info that Mr.Z and told his Mom. So I began asking questions. I asked what did she say to you when she was on the phone with Johnny? She said Johnny said first, "Hey bro, what are you doing here?" like in a more serious tone. Then Johnny says, "Who, the **** are you!" and she couldn't hear what they were saying that Johnny started yelling, then the phone went dead. I asked could she hear Lisa, she said no she didn't hear anything from Lisa. I asked "How were they found? Do you know?" She said bound up with electrical cords with bags over their heads. Stunned that she said electrical cords. I said yea I listened to the 911 calls and Johnny's mom said that she could see them bound up with Johnny's phone on him. I said if Ms.T said the phone dropped why was the phone on him? She states yes he had his phone on his chest with his wallet also on his chest. Just stunned that she knew this information. I said, "I knew Lisa but I didn't know Mr. Z knew Lisa." She said that Johnny had been dating her over the past few months and introduced her to percocet, that the group of them had been doing. She also stated Johnny had called Mr.Z a few nights before the murders occured and said that the parents were going out of town for a week and that they had a nice house with a pool table. She said Mr.Z went over to the house the night before the murders occurred and that they were probably doing percocets. She also said Johnny had called Mr.Z that day looking to see if he could find percocets for him. So Johnny had enough money on him that day to buy percocets and before Ms.T called Johnny that night, Mr.Z had called my mom one hour prior, looking to get money from her and he couldn't get it. If he was supppose to get money from my mom, who lives 20 minutes away from Mr. Z, why would he leave to get the money if he was getting picked up by Johnny and Lisa? He would have already of had a way to get to Lisa's house, which would mean he wouldn't have needed a ride to get there.

In my opinion, Ms.T and Mr.Z were feining for percocet, they didn't have the cash to get it, Johnny probably already found percocets. If Johnny already had the percocet and didn't share with Mr.Z, that pissed him off or just couldn't pay him for it so the two went over to the house in Mr.Z's mom's car. They already knew the layout from the night before. They either went through the garage door which was probably left open from when Lisa and Johnny got home and parked Lisa's car in the garage. The door opens into the kitchen which is normally never locked and that's where everything took place. Johnny saw Mr.Z and said bro, what are you doing here and Mr.Z said I got the money even though he didn't. Johnny turned around and Mr.Z pistol whipped him knocking Johnny out. Mr.Z put the bag over Johnny's head cause, yes it was his friend and he didn't want to see his face and the look on Johnny's face for what he was going to do there. They either took the percs and then searched through the house for whatever money they could find, then went out through the garage, shutting it behind them then called Shirita and made up the story about how she was on the phone with Johnny and heard a robbery. Shirita called Ruben, who then called Johnny's mom. Ms.T and Mr.Z get a hold of Johnny's dad and leave the scene and show back up with the dad to be like, why would we do it and then go get the father? Then the cops show up 2 hours from the time the murders took place.

Iknow this is long, but it really has some info in it I hadnt read before. I hadnt read this post before. Its very very interesting, and is very compelling in its conclusion as to what happened. It leans a lil more to what Ive been thinking all along about T and Z.
Anyone else put any credence to all this??

[TotallyCurious]

Ripping open a bag would leave fingerprints, as would a gap in time leave "holes"...interpret as you will...

What are you driving at?

Not 100% sure yet, but as much as i hate to think it from the very beginning ive thought JC's parents are somehow imvolved...specifically the dad, so I'm just throwing things out there...hopefully to prove myself wrong

No way.

I would like that big blocc (lol) of time accounted for, though.

It could have been something that went bad. Really bad. They knew
way too much before getting to the house.

[curious]

Not 100% sure yet, but as much as i hate to think it from the very beginning ive thought JC's parents are somehow imvolved...specifically the dad, so I'm just throwing things out there...hopefully to prove myself wrong

[/quote]

No way.

I would like that big blocc (lol) of time accounted for, though.

[/quote]

IDK but nothing adds up...fuck all I do know is I'm going to have to check myself into the psych ward if they don't arrest someone soon, I called my boss "Johnny" today!

[imsuchawildflower]

IDK but nothing adds up...fuck all I do know is I'm going to have to check myself into the psych ward if they don't arrest someone soon, I called my boss "Johnny" today!

[/quote]

I talked to one of my students about this case today...and actually several times today, thought about talking about it to at least 5 others.
I had an entire conversation in my head debating who I could talk to about
it. I chose the one student, because she asked me if I was sick....that I
looked so tired and worn out. (gee, thanks kid). But shes right. I cant go to
sleep and cant stay asleep. I keep rethinking it all trying to figure out what
Im missing...even in my dreams. Hence, the dark circles under my eyes,
the messy-ish ponytail cuz I wanted and extra 30 mins to sleep so I chose to
not wash my hair. Im pretty sure my teeth are coffee stained too.

Obsession is not glamorous.

[Butterfly Girl]

Part. 4: Wednesday the 2^nd I get a phone call from Mr.Z's mom asking for help with a phone she found in her room and that her laptop was stolen right out her bedroom with the case. Like someone in the house had the time to package it all up and then take it. I say it was probably your son since he a percaddicit, she agreed <quote>

I wonder IF that computer had information on it that they didnt want police to find so it went missing Hmmmmm

[shitstorm]

Ripping open a bag would leave fingerprints, as would a gap in time leave "holes"...interpret as you will...

What are you driving at?

Not 100% sure yet, but as much as i hate to think it from the very beginning ive thought JC's parents are somehow imvolved...specifically the dad, so I'm just throwing things out there...hopefully to prove myself wrong

No way.

I would like that big blocc (lol) of time accounted for, though.

I KNEW IT!
Shitstorm is a Crip! LOL

It looks like they all spell that way, to me. Why don't they use the letter K?

[TotallyCurious]

[quote='EastCoastKat' pid='129277' dateline='1297958389']
I never got to read "Grieving Friend" either, I didn't copy it fast enough, lol!

post112 page 5 as kitty1 above mentioned...

place.

Iknow this is long, but it really has some info in it I hadnt read before. I hadnt read this post before. Its very very interesting, and is very compelling in its conclusion as to what happened. It leans a lil more to what Ive been thinking all along about T and Z.
Anyone else put any credence to all this??

I thought Z was supposed to get Johnny the percs. So why would
you assume Johnny would have some for him to steal? And kill
for percs? I don't think so. I just don't think so.
If perchance Z and T went to the house, they very well could
have arrived after the dastardly death scene and therefore
decided to contact Sherita, etc. In my opinion, that would
be their worst involvement but would try to save whatever had
happened. They are young, it was dark, maybe it did not seem
time sensitive. Which it probably was not since they were
strangled and suffocated which would have been already done.

[imsuchawildflower]

Part. 4: Wednesday the 2^nd I get a phone call from Mr.Z's mom asking for help with a phone she found in her room and that her laptop was stolen right out her bedroom with the case. Like someone in the house had the time to package it all up and then take it. I say it was probably your son since he a percaddicit, she agreed <quote>

I wonder IF that computer had information on it that they didnt want police to find so it went missing Hmmmmm

I wondered that same thing...

[imsuchawildflower]

It looks like they all spell that way, to me. Why don't they use the letter K?
[/quote]

Seems to me the logical explanation would that they are crips.
Thats just my opinion though...

[curious]

Part. 4: Wednesday the 2^nd I get a phone call from Mr.Z's mom asking for help with a phone she found in her room and that her laptop was stolen right out her bedroom with the case. Like someone in the house had the time to package it all up and then take it. I say it was probably your son since he a percaddicit, she agreed <quote>

I wonder IF that computer had information on it that they didnt want police to find so it went missing Hmmmmm

Glad to see im not the only one awake, glad it's the weekend! Anywho been wondering that too...along with:

- the mystery cell phone IF one existed as well as Sharita for that matter...of wait someone mentioned a Ruben...off to research will report back...


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[imsuchawildflower]

I thought Z was supposed to get Johnny the percs. So why would
you assume Johnny would have some for him to steal? And kill
for percs? I don't think so. I just don't think so.
If perchance Z and T went to the house, they very well could
have arrived after the dastardly death scene and therefore
decided to contact Sherita, etc. In my opinion, that would
be their worst involvement but would try to save whatever had
happened. They are young, it was dark, maybe it did not seem
time sensitive. Which it probably was not since they were
strangled and suffocated which would have been already done.
[/quote]

Well, that goes along with the theory that JC had gotten some drugs to sell, that day, and wouldve had a larger than normal stash??

[TotallyCurious]

I thought Z was supposed to get Johnny the percs. So why would
you assume Johnny would have some for him to steal? And kill

strangled and suffocated which would have been already done.

Well, that goes along with the theory that JC had gotten some drugs to sell, that day, and wouldve had a larger than normal stash??
[/quote]

I see what you mean. So we need to find out if Johnny did.
However I was still thinking that Z took the computer to
trade for the percs to take to Johnny.