Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[imsuchawildflower]

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I know oxycontin is expensive, on the streets (had a friend w/cancer that told me she could sell hers for a crazy amount) but as far as Percocet goes, I always thought it was on the same line as Lortab (both being for moderate pain) Anyhoooooo, thanks for the info on the rumor of ball bats being used, again. I have a feeling this rumor may very well be true.


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Around here, they can go for up to 30 bucks a pill when they are in short supply....but usually around 20-25 bucks a pill according to a family
friend who is a 20 year LE here.

[TotallyCurious]

Well, I'm settled in, with a beer, listening to the Toledo LE scanner!

LOL. Actually I am envious. Don't have a scanner, think I will get
a beer though. Let us know if anything mildly interesting happens.

[Jane]

Around here, they can go for up to 30 bucks a pill when they are in short supply....but usually around 20-25 bucks a pill according to a family
friend who is a 20 year LE here.

wow, if there's people paying up to $30 for one percocet, that's some desperate niggaz!

[imsuchawildflower]

For those of you asking for Johnny's dad - here is the video.
He is visibly upset.
http://imagesource.cnn.com/imagesource/V...Id=7237141

Wow...after all this minutia we get involved in analyzing...this sure does
bring home the reality of what has happened and why we got interested
in this case to begin with.
All finger pointing aside...these families lost one of their most important
people in their lives, that also gave them the most happiness and proud
moments in their lives. (first steps, first days of school, report card day,
graduation etc)
A father lost his son/daughter and a mother lost her son/daughter.
As a mother, I can say, that my babies will always be that...
my babies...no matter how old they get.
I cant even wrap my brain around the pain, loss, emptiness
etc they are all going through....
My heart is broken for them all over again....

[Butterfly Girl]

Toledo police scanner
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=2087

[Jane]

Well, I'm settled in, with a beer, listening to the Toledo LE scanner!

LOL. Actually I am envious. Don't have a scanner, think I will get
a beer though. Let us know if anything mildly interesting happens.

here's the link!! http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?stid=39
look for Lucas County, then click on Toledo Police & Sheriff's Dept

[shitstorm]

I wished I could take credit for finding this but someone put it on an earlier post...I think this says it all...it was printed with a bunch of other quotes from gang members ...from a Toledo publication back in June 2010 by experts in gangs...these are actual excerpts from gang members...

"better watCh what you say Mr.Prez, Cuzz we'll tie you up and make you watch while we fuCCin your Bitch infront of you. fuCC around"

that's what they do "if you snitch". Unbelievable but I bet this was a (by these psycho whacko criminals) a simple standard gang retalitation against Johnny probably just for telling the police some scoop on some creepy gang guy he had befriended in prison ...all to just try to lesson his time "in the joint".

The bat, trashing the place, all secondary....

Here I am, p

I agree that everything else was secondary to premeditated murder. I hope they get these bastards on murder one.

I found that gang banger post to be both chilling and educational. Sounds like routine business to rape a girl in front of her boyfriend. I'd like to know if Lady Cop has ever heard of this when dealing with gangs.

[imsuchawildflower]

Also...when I said that I read til fb wouldnt let me read anymore...it seems you go back so far and eventually fb says there are no more posts. Thats what I meant. I went back quite a ways....

So you can still see her wall, now?

edited .... I see you unfriended her now

No...apparently she has changed her settings as has Maytee, to private.
On a related note, both of them had set their photos to private recently so even as a friend I could not peruse their photo albums anymore.

[Lady Cop]

Storm: I found that gang banger post to be both chilling and educational. Sounds like routine business to rape a girl in front of her boyfriend. I'd like to know if Lady Cop has ever heard of this when dealing with gangs.

i've heard of it among "outlaw" type cultures.

[imsuchawildflower]

Around here, they can go for up to 30 bucks a pill when they are in short supply....but usually around 20-25 bucks a pill according to a family
friend who is a 20 year LE here.

wow, if there's people paying up to $30 for one percocet, that's some desperate niggaz!

We are in a more rural area...Im sure in the bigger cities here its alot less.
My MIL had a cable guy in her house fixing a problem, and he stole a brand
new Rx of vicodin and one of percocet (my SIL's Rx). They are bank around
here...Lots of oil fields in NM and there is a huge drug problem in the oil
fields. Meth is a big one, but heroin is making a comeback, because they
have totally cracked down on the Rx trade here. BUT there are always
Dr.'s ready and willing to take your 85 dollars and give you narcotics
because you *hurt your back*.

[shitstorm]

Everytime Ive thought I had something, Ive read something else that has put doubt in my mind and made me rethink.
Ive always thought we were looking at the *too obvious*, but at the same time, there is credible evidence to make us look at the obvious so thoroughly. I STILL dont have a concrete theory...I believe there are parts to most of the theories posted that are true...

Ditto. I started out thinking Tiff was involved. Then I changed my mind, suspecting some involvement by Maytee. Then I went back and listened to Maytee on the 911 calls and changed my mind. We certainly have damn little to go on in terms of forming opinions. Everything is speculation. From the perspective of an on-looker chatting on a forum I'm cool with theories, but from the other far more important perspective, that of a fellow American, Tiffany and Maytee are INNOCENT of any involvement until I see proof otherwise.

[imsuchawildflower]

Ditto. I started out thinking Tiff was involved. Then I changed my mind, suspecting some involvement by Maytee. Then I went back and listened to Maytee on the 911 calls and changed my mind. We certainly have damn little to go on in terms of forming opinions. Everything is speculation. From the perspective of an on-looker chatting on a forum I'm cool with theories, but from the other far more important perspective, that of a fellow American, Tiffany and Maytee are INNOCENT of any involvement until I see proof otherwise.

Amen to that. There but for the Grace of God (and good moral foundation) go I. (or mine)

[FutileResistance1]

yes, John Sr. and Maytee live in the same house. But is not your typical happy family setting. She lives for herself, she only cares about one person in the world and that is herself. Everything else that people are seeing from her at this present time is purely acting. Trust me, this woman is capable of evil destruction and she actually believes that she is smarter than the law.

This is my first post. So hello to everyone! I have enjoyed the 500+ posts so far.

I actually laughed aloud (for real) none of that fake LOL shit here, when I read this opinion/statement by Truth Be Told. I tend to agree with the narcissistic maneuvering done by this woman (Maytee) in the media, and continually on social outlets that she is monopolizing. I honestly believe this woman has mental issues and it has been compounded by this horrific crime. There is rarely if any mention of her husband feelings. Its all about her! I also find it is bewildering that any responsible parent would allow there minor child to participate in facebook discussions where volatile accusations and verbiage are used daily. I think its not the child, but actually the mother playing the role of the minor child. Its very pathetic if you think about it.

Speaking of pathetic:
It does not take a genius to figure out that whoever perpetrated this crime lacks an education, aspires to be something they truly are not, and will never amount to any self worth or respect in life. Likely a parasite on society and probably a burden upon there family as well. What they need to worry about is, which of his/her crew is going to snitch on them first? Or have they already? Money is a powerful tool! Geez, I bet there is some major insecurities building at this point. It is just a matter of time before the world comes crashing down around them or one turns on another.

[doing40thisyear]

Exactly. And look at the Straub family. They are grieving quietly, which is normal. People that lose loved ones may mention it a few times, not plaster it on facebook. It's almost like a form of begging for mercy and it's decieving. She is showing this grief as if she wants people to see her innocense when really she might not be.
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Maytee always posted ALOT, before this even happened. She had friended my husband on fb although they never interacted. She, as with me, requested us. Probably for a game or something. Anyway, her behavior was weird enough before that my husband commented to me about her and her posts several times ie: that lady is weird, shes creepy, do you know anything about her? she gives me the creeps etc. So, because of that, i had started paying attention to her, and actually going to her page to read
her posts. There were several times when we would comment to each other she must be on drugs or something because her posts were incoherent and completely unable to be understood. She would sometimes post a HUGE amt of status updates in a short amt of time. Like say, 30 status changes in an hour or 2.
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you got to be kidding me.....crazy...im speechless

[shitstorm]

Tiffanys Gang name is Pussy Galore!! LMFAO and no she is not one of the "Bond" girls !!!

OMG, are you serious?

One of things you encounter when moving down the ladder of society is this kind of baseness. It's fucking, dancing (mindless body response to rhythm), chest pounding posturing, and violence. Chimapanzees are more civilized. They love and care for their young. The social engineer puppeteers who run this planet want all people brought down to this Jerry Springer level of mindlessness. The more stupid people are, the easier they are to control. This is why "entertainment" and media is filled with such trash.

[pspence]

:agreed:Not everyone has been against her. (Tiffany)
I think there have been several posts in the last few days that support
her. I hope someone watching here tells her it has not all been
negative. I got bashed for sticking up for her awhile back. I still
think she attempted to do all she could do.

Me too. I still believe in her.

[pspence]

For those of you asking for Johnny's dad - here is the video.
He is visibly upset.
http://imagesource.cnn.com/imagesource/V...Id=7237141


OMG...This is absolutely HEARTBREAKING for any human being to have to go through...

[shitstorm]

found this picture...that's Lisa on the left...

I don't think that's her. I'd have to see a pic with the same clothes and same people. If it's her, that's the worst pic of her I've seen. Did Tiff give you this pic?
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Someone may have said this - I think that chick is Bre. It's not Lisa.

[shitstorm]

i'm hearing through sources that certain people are searching me out on the net. i've done crime forums for about 9 years now.
they're welcome to do that. i have nothing to hide. and if they locate personal information about me that they wish to utilize in some nefarious fashion, well it's been tried before by dirtbags i've arrested.

oh, just as a point of information, i am well-armed. that's not a threat. it's a promise.
anybody threatens me i will put a cap in their head so fast they'll never feel it.

Right on, LC. I would imagine you have lots of well armed friends, too.

[shitstorm]

So I got an email from TW threatning to beat me up because of something I said on FB....

What?! Lol. Post that bitch.