Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[ToledoNative]

John P Clarke-Middle name is Pete
DOB-7/16/69 (He will be 42)

There is one arrest with the same DOB under the name Jovanny.

AKAs, I guess.

I believe I saw that listed somewhere as the name of one of Johnny's younger brothers.

Yes, Johnny's teenage (15?) brother is J. Please tell me he hasn't been in trouble with the law already?

[imsuchawildflower]

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Nice way to welcome new people I am seeing a clique thing going on here which is fine but to openly bash others that dont agree with you is Bullshit


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I know, right? There have been ALOT of people (myself included) that joined after having read the thread for a couple of days before they joined, and
have posted such.
Was a pretty shitty thing to say.
What if someone said that about you when you joined?
Bet you wouldnt have felt welcomed.

[pspence]

I sent asking Tiffany how she was doing and if she'd heard anything...what was the word on the street, etc...I'm still giving her the benefit of the doubt and believe in her innocence...let's take it easy out there...I'm very glad she is still in touch with me...got this response...

hey pam.no i havent been on the forum lately.but thank u for being by my side thru all of this.there really hasnt been any talk lately that ive heard.i dont speak 2 anyone i keep 2 myself.and as far as maytee shes still blaming me but i ignore it.someone evrn made a facebook acting like they were me.but ill keep in touch..thank u ...god bless

[pspence]

I take all the posts by "newbies" now "members" with a grain of salt...it's so fucking obvious it's actually comical whose team their on and not one post has had any relevant information

Whose "team"? are you referring to?

[Lady Cop]

Butterfly: Nice way to welcome new people I am seeing a clique thing going on here which is fine but to openly bash others that dont agree with you is Bullshit


who are you talking to?
some people still don't have the quote function mastered.

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http://mockforums.net/thread-4825.html

[ToledoNative]

I sent asking Tiffany how she was doing and if she'd heard anything...what was the word on the street, etc...I'm still giving her the benefit of the doubt and believe in her innocence...let's take it easy out there...I'm very glad she is still in touch with me...got this response...

hey pam.no i havent been on the forum lately.but thank u for being by my side thru all of this.there really hasnt been any talk lately that ive heard.i dont speak 2 anyone i keep 2 myself.and as far as maytee shes still blaming me but i ignore it.someone evrn made a facebook acting like they were me.but ill keep in touch..thank u ...god bless

Sounds like you two have a decent relationship. Have you thought about giving her some coaching regarding how to raise children? Or about fetal alcohol syndrome?

[Butterfly Girl]

I take all the posts by "newbies" now "members" with a grain of salt...it's so fucking obvious it's actually comical whose team their on and not one post has had any relevant information...just taking up bandwidth as are as I'm concerned.

Nice way to welcome new people I am seeing a clique thing going on here which is fine but to openly bash others that dont agree with you is Bullshit

[Lady Cop]

I take all the posts by "newbies" now "members" with a grain of salt...it's so fucking obvious it's actually comical whose team their on and not one post has had any relevant information...just taking up bandwidth as are as I'm concerned.

Nice way to welcome new people I am seeing a clique thing going on here which is fine but to openly bash others that dont agree with you is Bullshit

this is Mock. bashing is allowed.

[pspence]

SERIOUSLY on top of all the insane ass theories that have been tossed around, I feel like people have turned a blind eye to the FACTS & focused on who they wish to believe is at fault & in doing so twist every fucking word & action they can to make it so. Kinda reminds me of trying to pound a round peg into a square hole & to be honest it's annoying as shit.

Geesh, what are the facts that must so obviously "solve" this for you? It must be difficult to live in a world where others are not up to your level of superiority....
Being in a profession which involves some heavy duty strategizing, I have learned that "no one is as smart as all of us together" and often times when brainstorming with teams - the solution comes from the newest team member...sometimes with "out there" ideas...hey, give us a break...we're just fascinated with this tragic story of these 2 handsome, young people...could you be more clear/concise with what is so obvious the answer to this tragedy?

[Butterfly Girl]

Maybe this place just got too retarded for them I have to admitt, I've been ready a time or two to say sayonara until some real factual information is released or an arrest is made. Peoples theorys got wayyy too out there for me EX: I remember one poster suggesting that the attacks took place in the kitchen because maybe the offender was sexually assaulted at some point in his life in a kitchen LMAO where is the retard smiley? SERIOUSLY on top of all the insane ass theories that have been tossed around, I feel like people have turned a blind eye to the FACTS & focused on who they wish to believe is at fault & in doing so twist every fucking word & action they can to make it so. Kinda reminds me of trying to pound a round peg into a square hole & to be honest it's annoying as shit.

Same here! I was getting so irked the other night at some of the crap being posted that I nearly gave it up as a lost cause. And that stupid kitchen comment really took the biscuit.

Nice way to welcome new people I am seeing a clique thing going on here which is fine but to openly bash others that dont agree with you is Bullshit

[Butterfly Girl]

SERIOUSLY on top of all the insane ass theories that have been tossed around, I feel like people have turned a blind eye to the FACTS & focused on who they wish to believe is at fault & in doing so twist every fucking word & action they can to make it so. Kinda reminds me of trying to pound a round peg into a square hole & to be honest it's annoying as shit.

Geesh, what are the facts that must so obviously "solve" this for you? It must be difficult to live in a world where others are not up to your level of superiority....
Being in a profession which involves some heavy duty strategizing, I have learned that "no one is as smart as all of us together" and often times when brainstorming with teams - the solution comes from the newest team member...sometimes with "out there" ideas...hey, give us a break...we're just fascinated with this tragic story of these 2 handsome, young people...could you be more clear/concise with what is so obvious the answer to this tragedy?

I agree with brainstorming you took the words out of my hands (typing)

[shitstorm]

Oh my

[ToledoNative]

SERIOUSLY on top of all the insane ass theories that have been tossed around, I feel like people have turned a blind eye to the FACTS & focused on who they wish to believe is at fault & in doing so twist every fucking word & action they can to make it so. Kinda reminds me of trying to pound a round peg into a square hole & to be honest it's annoying as shit.

Geesh, what are the facts that must so obviously "solve" this for you? It must be difficult to live in a world where others are not up to your level of superiority....
Being in a profession which involves some heavy duty strategizing, I have learned that "no one is as smart as all of us together" and often times when brainstorming with teams - the solution comes from the newest team member...sometimes with "out there" ideas...hey, give us a break...we're just fascinated with this tragic story of these 2 handsome, young people...could you be more clear/concise with what is so obvious the answer to this tragedy?

I'm curious...do you really believe 150% that there is no possible way Tiffany was involved in the crime in any way? As in you have NO DOUBTS?

[DivineDragon]

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I take all the posts by "newbies" now "members" with a grain of salt...it's so fucking obvious it's actually comical whose team their on and not one post has had any relevant information...just taking up bandwidth as are as I'm concerned.

Nice way to welcome new people I am seeing a clique thing going on here which is fine but to openly bash others that dont agree with you is Bullshit



this is Mock. bashing is allowed.

How hard can we bash back? Stupidity and self-importance are two of my pet peeves and when they are presented together, I can get downright evil.

[Butterfly Girl]

Since im on a rant talk about wasted bandwidth... Ive waded through many useless pages of bullcrap small talk that didnt pertain to this case

[pspence]

Sounds like you two have a decent relationship. Have you thought about giving her some coaching regarding how to raise children? Or about fetal alcohol syndrome?

For all I know she loves her children just as much as you or I and until I am faced with facts that are different, I will stay with my nonjudgemental attitudes. Regarding "fetal alcohol syndrome"...her other children look just fine and I don't go out of my way in judging people unless I have concrete proof.

I was a Social Worker for many years and if there is one thing I know is that you need to meet people "where they are"...she has been very respectful to me in all of our correspondence and until that changes I will show her the same respect.

[ToledoNative]

I take all the posts by "newbies" now "members" with a grain of salt...it's so fucking obvious it's actually comical whose team their on and not one post has had any relevant information...just taking up bandwidth as are as I'm concerned.

Nice way to welcome new people I am seeing a clique thing going on here which is fine but to openly bash others that dont agree with you is Bullshit

this is Mock. bashing is allowed.

How hard can we bash back? Stupidity and self-importance are two of my pet peeves and when they are presented together, I can get downright evil.

LOL!!
I hope this thread doesn't turn into an all out Mock "gang" war! I don't usually read/post on forums because of stuff like that. I think people can have intelligent conversations without getting nasty...

[jenjen]

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John P Clarke-Middle name is Pete
DOB-7/16/69 (He will be 42)

There is one arrest with the same DOB under the name Jovanny.

AKAs, I guess.

I believe I saw that listed somewhere as the name of one of Johnny's younger brothers.

Yes, Johnny's teenage (15?) brother is J. Please tell me he hasn't been in trouble with the law already?

My guess is that dad used his kids name when he got arrested.

[Butterfly Girl]

LOL!!
I hope this thread doesn't turn into an all out Mock "gang" war! I don't usually read/post on forums because of stuff like that. I think people can have intelligent conversations without getting nasty...
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That was my point

[ToledoNative]

Sounds like you two have a decent relationship. Have you thought about giving her some coaching regarding how to raise children? Or about fetal alcohol syndrome?

For all I know she loves her children just as much as you or I and until I am faced with facts that are different, I will stay with my nonjudgemental attitudes. Regarding "fetal alcohol syndrome"...her other children look just fine and I don't go out of my way in judging people unless I have concrete proof.

I was a Social Worker for many years and if there is one thing I know is that you need to meet people "where they are"...she has been very respectful to me in all of our correspondence and until that changes I will show her the same respect.

With all do respect, I do think you are blind. Have you not seen all the pics of Tiffany and her pregnant belly drinking beer? That is our "concrete proof". I have read on her facebook myself that she was threatening to provide someone with a beat down right then and there. Pregnant and all.