Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[shitstorm]

If engaging in a double torture-murder doesn't remove the "wannabe" from one's description, what does?

Also, they may mean "professional" in the sense that it was done to send a message to others, like a "Columbian necktie" would. It was definitely not surgical, but I get the sense that if someone is capable of killing in this manner, they could easily have killed before. This method required a strong stomach, a lot of balls, and a certain degree of strength and confidence. In that sense, it could be construed as "professional."

Agreed.

We think hitman and we think of a well dressed guy who flies into town, gets a hotel room, scopes out his prey, and takes them out with a gun with a silencer. In an hour he's on the next flight out. The drug cartels in Mexico are "professionals" but horror is part of their method, unlike the first example. I'm inclined to think that whoever killed Johnny & Lisa was the party who was angry with them, though - not a hired out "job". I think they have killed before, too. Execution seems like an accurate description, to me.

[Jane]

Agreed.

We think hitman and we think of a well dressed guy who flies into town, gets a hotel room, scopes out his prey, and takes them out with a gun with a silencer. In an hour he's on the next flight out. The drug cartels in Mexico are "professionals" but horror is part of their method, unlike the first example. I'm inclined to think that whoever killed Johnny & Lisa was the party who was angry with them, though - not a hired out "job". I think they have killed before, too. Execution seems like an accurate description, to me.

I've got to disagree here. I think the killers were people not known to anyone there, in the Toledo area. After reading what the BCI does, it fits with LE not having anything to actually nail a specific person with. It's been over a month now, & I have to believe any unknown DNA taken from the home, has been checked to a database, with nothing coming from it.

eta... not to say there aren't some folks that know what Johnny was involved in, but IMO, those people will never talk, for fear the same thing will happen to them. Johnny got in way over his head.

[imsuchawildflower]

p.44 post# 612 contains my opinion of pink.
also page 36 post# 501

condescending, smarmy, smug, rude and a blow-hard know-it-all. and nobody said you could address Duchess as 'dutchie'.
further, if you send one more PM to anyone containing uninvited sexual innuendo, i am personally going to throw you out on your ass pinkhole.

Mock is very free in many ways, but there is a modicum of respect expected in this forum.

no Det. S. is not pink.

ok i had to search for this. he is free to come back anytime. but i think he's a BS artist. everyone, however is free to believe whatever they wish.

Some of Pink's posts were rather insightful, however I will disagree about the "professional" part until I am proven wrong. What kind of professional uses bags, duct tape & takes a f'n change jar. Something is missing here. Maybe LE has totally stumped the public by not giving out info or misleading info at that. I still don't understand why no real info from LE, no asking for help, other than the 5k reward. Something is definitely amiss....

Time.
The further away from something youve done wrong, the more likely you
are to think you got away with it...and perhaps loosen your lips...
I recall reading on one of the core peoples walls somewhere, that loose
lips sink ships.
Indeed they do.

[Miss Conspiracy]

LIsa's FB page is gone. RIP LIsa!

it's still there for me

[Jane]

Wonder if the autopsy report will become public record now...? I don't know about anyone else, but I'm sort of floored by this new info..

[Jane]

LIsa's FB page is gone. RIP LIsa!

it's still there for me

me too http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001743120174

[kitty1]

LIsa's FB page is gone. RIP LIsa!

it's still there for me

It was taken down a few days ago? I just checked .It is not there?

[kitty1]

LIsa's FB page is gone. RIP LIsa!

it's still there for me

me too http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001743120174

Now I see it. it didn't come up when I put her name in but when I used that link it came up. Now her friends are private though.

[Sincere]

One of the recent posts by Maytee on : RIP JOHNNY


One by one you evil demons the "witches curse"gonna make sure for wat u did to my johnny n lisa you all gonna go pop go the spineless weasels SO MOTE IT BE you evil demons


Pop go the weasels ??? :O

[Jane]

Or it could be that he was just stepping on someone's turf. That is what gets you shot in my town. Getting in between a thug and his paper. They might let you know in other ways at first, but if you laugh them off, or dis them in some way, you are going to get shot. Period. Why plastic bags? I have know idea. But it was a clean way to kill.

Yeah, could be, Adub.

[Methusala]

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but thats the thing no1 is talking nemore every1 has kept very hush hush about this case

Who is this "no. 1" person?

Why isn't he/she talking anymore?

[fabulous]

I don't think it's that uncommon for the BCI to be involved in a case like that. I wouldn't read anything into that. I think that the FBI is involved is MORE telling. I also think that it was just recently that TPD became involved in the investigation...is that cause they're trying to tie a crime (s) that was in the TPD jurisdiction into the JC/LS case? maybe something to do with these latests string of arrests that have been posted recently...

I think the article from the local SPringfield/Holland paper is EXACTLY why there is no "new" information about this case, no buzz, not being talked about etc. it has been chalked up to a drug related crime, and for most of us the "that doesn't apply to me/that won't happen to me" thinking sets in. IT becomes less intriguing (For lack of better word) for most because it's just chalked up to two young beautiful kids murdered for drugs, money, gangs, etc. Live by the gunie by the gun.

I'm not so confident that this case is any closer to being solved than it was two weeks ago.

[Jane]

LIsa's FB page is gone. RIP LIsa!

it's still there for me

me too http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001743120174

Now I see it. it didn't come up when I put her name in but when I used that link it came up. Now her friends are private though.

yes, same here. I can't do a search, for her profile by name, but I saved the link early on

[ZEROSPHERES]

To "kitty1"....I really like your new AV


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[Jane]

One of the recent posts by Maytee on : RIP JOHNNY

One by one you evil demons the "witches curse"gonna make sure for wat u did to my johnny n lisa you all gonna go pop go the spineless weasels SO MOTE IT BE you evil demons

Pop go the weasels ??? :O

[shitstorm]

The purported muscle for a Milwaukee criminal organization known as the Body Snatchers was convicted Friday of four criminal counts, including an 8-year-old homicide, and now faces life in prison.

Donald Cooper was convicted of suffocating a dealer with a plastic bag and burying him under a concrete slab in 2000 and of kidnapping a different dealer and torturing him with hot chicken grease two years later, and dealing drugs he stole from the torture victim.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/29542134.html



Cuernavaca city highway bridge adjacent to business district, two unidentified body of a man hanging on the bridge. Man's hands and feet were tied, his head wrapped in plastic bags. Police allegedly found in his possession a note left by drug gangs.

http://www.china-daily.org/China-News/Me...nt-bridge/



A 26-year-old member of the street gang International Robbing Crew received three life sentences Tuesday after he pleaded guilty to two murders and a kidnapping with bodily injury.

...

Mr. Stevens and other gang members planned to burglarize Mr. Mamadou Barry, a Warehouse owner and business associate of Mr. Steven’s father. But when the African businessman returned home unexpectedly that November in 2005, the defendants hog-tied, handcuffed, duck taped, and suffocated (with a plastic bag over his head) him and left his body inside the bathtub of his West End apartment.

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-atlanta...kidnapping



Not unheard of.

[kitty1]

Does anyone else find it odd that Maytee hasn't (to my knowledge) refuted any of what Sgt. Schiavone said today?
"Sgt. Schiavone said he believes the DRUG-RELATED crime was a professional "hit" INSTIGATED BY THE ACTION OF THE VICTIMS" I would have expected her to come to her "babiboi's" defense and claim that he wasn't involved in drugs and that Johnny in no way instigated this vicious murder. But then again has she ever really denied his involvement with drugs? Yes she refused to discuss his criminal record on JVM , but has she ever defended him or Lisa in regards to drug use? I can't remember. My brain is starting to get fried from all this.

[Jane]

I don't think it's that uncommon for the BCI to be involved in a case like that. I wouldn't read anything into that. I think that the FBI is involved is MORE telling. I also think that it was just recently that TPD became involved in the investigation...is that cause they're trying to tie a crime (s) that was in the TPD jurisdiction into the JC/LS case? maybe something to do with these latests string of arrests that have been posted recently...

I think the article from the local SPringfield/Holland paper is EXACTLY why there is no "new" information about this case, no buzz, not being talked about etc. it has been chalked up to a drug related crime, and for most of us the "that doesn't apply to me/that won't happen to me" thinking sets in. IT becomes less intriguing (For lack of better word) for most because it's just chalked up to two young beautiful kids murdered for drugs, money, gangs, etc. Live by the gunie by the gun.

I'm not so confident that this case is any closer to being solved than it was two weeks ago.

I'd never heard of BCI before, but when I read they're sometimes brought in on cold cases, it drew a lightbulb in my head, lol ... I hope this doesn't end up a cold case though, but at the same time I know there are gobs & gobs of unsolved cases, like this... ugh

[wanttoknow]

I don't think it's that uncommon for the BCI to be involved in a case like that. I wouldn't read anything into that. I think that the FBI is involved is MORE telling. I also think that it was just recently that TPD became involved in the investigation...is that cause they're trying to tie a crime (s) that was in the TPD jurisdiction into the JC/LS case? maybe something to do with these latests string of arrests that have been posted recently...

I think the article from the local SPringfield/Holland paper is EXACTLY why there is no "new" information about this case, no buzz, not being talked about etc. it has been chalked up to a drug related crime, and for most of us the "that doesn't apply to me/that won't happen to me" thinking sets in. IT becomes less intriguing (For lack of better word) for most because it's just chalked up to two young beautiful kids murdered for drugs, money, gangs, etc. Live by the gunie by the gun.

I'm not so confident that this case is any closer to being solved than it was two weeks ago.

Unfortunately, I think you might be right.

[Ohio4life]

Seems like you are leaning towards one of two theories at this point:

1. "friends" of Johnny and Lisa looking for a safe and drugs (percosets)

or

2. Johnny's drug dealing caught up to him and a Toledo "big wig" is making a statement not to fuck with his money

I am still going with my original theory that Maytee or her husband are involved. She was warned, thats why she immediately called 911 when he didnt answer his phone, she knew what was happening. Someone her family screwed over found Johnny and Lisa alone in the house and unaware they were being targeted, were easy pickings. Maytee and her fake tears are her way of crying out when she knows she is at the root of all of this. She may not know who did it but she knows why.