Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[AriGold]

Ari, your avatar never fails to elicit a grin since i know you are the complete antithesis of that dude!

I'm covert...



I could set the building on fire...

Oh, I just put 2 and 2 together from the photo thread. :O

I'm outed.

[ToledoNative]

Yes, I'm done talking to Maytee and talking about her bullshit.
And I refuse to bash a mother who has to go through this, eventhough I do believe she raised her son in an environment that was a recipe for disaster. But I'm not going to sit here and badmouth her, either. I'm just done with her.

That's the right thing to do...I don't have a forgiving nature when Mock & her members are basically lied about so I'm not moved to keep my opinion to myself where she is concerned.

LC does an outstanding job moderating the crime forum. She doesn't deserve to have her hard work lied about. She is VERY conscientious of every word posted.

You are right, Duchess.
And it's really hard to keep your mouth shut when she is saying all that craziness.
And I keep gagging, but the actually choking hasn't happened yet?

[WolfHouse]

MAN That damn lady always has something to say! (bullshit) at that! Shes posted something else on her RIP page! I feel for both families I REALLY DO! Shes just off her damn rocker! Im tired of the shit that comes out her mouth! I understand being ANGRY and HURT and even CRAZY! I WAS! but I WOULD NEVER LASH OUT THE WAY SHE HAS! I would not treat people whom r honestly there for me like shit! HINT HINT! She talks about everyone else but yet she seems to stay posted to her phone/internet ²⁴⁄₇ just to post some BS! UGH! IM OVER HER! completely!

Why don't you just stay away and quit obsessing about it.

:agreed:


JsMom, I was appalled at how you acted on the original FB "Justice" page. You, a complete stranger, had the audacity to try and come off as Maytee's biggest supporter and new bff.

If anyone else followed the original "Justice" page and saw how you clung to Maytee and posted that you loved her, and were there for her , then THEY WILL UNDERSTAND where I am coming from!!


Maytee is OBVIOUSLY off her rocker- BUT she is NOT the ONLY ONE!!! Within a matter of minutes, you went from supporting Maytee to bashing her on this forum. I do not agree with Maytee and the way that she is lashing out. BUT worse than her behavior, is YOURS!!! She is obviously extremely unstable and devastated and has made VERY bad decisions. AGREED. BUT who are you to TARGET a grieving mother and then LASH OUT at HER?!?!??!?!

Seriously, it is one thing for people to view Maytee as a crazy woman who needs to stop running her mouth. :stir_shit: And it is fine to posts all those thoughts on this forum!! But when you slither your way into her personal life to the point of her feeling comfortable enough with you to text you from her phone, then that is JUST SICK!!! And then, after you have pushed your way into her life, and then send nasty texts to her cell phone calling her a "BITCH" - you really look like a LOWLIFE, even next to the likes of Maytee. :O


In my opinon, YOU CRAWLED UP her ASS and SHE FARTED YOU OUT!!!

Gives a whole other dimension to POOF BE GONE!!!!

Hear, hear, Inspector Gary!!! I agree with every word you've said.

BRAVO!

[eye.of.my]

It slipped while talking to a good source thats been in contact with one of the families. But as I told LC I can't help but wonder if the family isn't spreading that to scare the perps into turning themselves in??? There has been other talk that someone was recently arrested for it yet no names are given there either. But my source has had good info on everything else in this case hoping this is the same result.

can you verify if the rumors are true about Lisa being injured worse than Johnny? Was a baseball bat used? Was Lisa raped? Was her tongue injured?

I have heard that she was worse than him and it was a closed casket to his open but he didnt look good either but thats from him sitting so long I guess.

But we saw pictures of Johnny in his casket. In fact, he looked as good as my cousin looked who was killed in an auto accident a year and a half ago. The closed casket service doesn't sound good regarding Lisa, though. There's only one reason to close a casket. Any more specific details regarding what might have happened/been done to Lisa?

No I heard this when both of the funerals where going on. I wasnt there myself to know if indeed her was closed as a fellow Mocker said hers was opened as well. Was it definetly a closed service at least? At Johnny's Maytee was questioning as to who people where and so forth and rumor has it that there was under covers there as well. Not sure as to the truth on this yet though, but it did come from someone that was there, not saying they didnt add a few things....

[JsMom]

MAN That damn lady always has something to say! (bullshit) at that! Shes posted something else on her RIP page! I feel for both families I REALLY DO! Shes just off her damn rocker! Im tired of the shit that comes out her mouth! I understand being ANGRY and HURT and even CRAZY! I WAS! but I WOULD NEVER LASH OUT THE WAY SHE HAS! I would not treat people whom r honestly there for me like shit! HINT HINT! She talks about everyone else but yet she seems to stay posted to her phone/internet ²⁴⁄₇ just to post some BS! UGH! IM OVER HER! completely!

Why don't you just stay away and quit obsessing about it.

:agreed:


JsMom, I was appalled at how you acted on the original FB "Justice" page. You, a complete stranger, had the audacity to try and come off as Maytee's biggest supporter and new bff.

If anyone else followed the original "Justice" page and saw how you clung to Maytee and posted that you loved her, and were there for her , then THEY WILL UNDERSTAND where I am coming from!!


Maytee is OBVIOUSLY off her rocker- BUT she is NOT the ONLY ONE!!! Within a matter of minutes, you went from supporting Maytee to bashing her on this forum. I do not agree with Maytee and the way that she is lashing out. BUT worse than her behavior, is YOURS!!! She is obviously extremely unstable and devastated and has made VERY bad decisions. AGREED. BUT who are you to TARGET a grieving mother and then LASH OUT at HER?!?!??!?!

Seriously, it is one thing for people to view Maytee as a crazy woman who needs to stop running her mouth. :stir_shit: And it is fine to posts all those thoughts on this forum!! But when you slither your way into her personal life to the point of her feeling comfortable enough with you to text you from her phone, then that is JUST SICK!!! And then, after you have pushed your way into her life, and then send nasty texts to her cell phone calling her a "BITCH" - you really look like a LOWLIFE, even next to the likes of Maytee. :O


In my opinon, YOU CRAWLED UP her ASS and SHE FARTED YOU OUT!!!

Gives a whole other dimension to POOF BE GONE!!!!

Whatever honey! U dont faze me! I WAS HER FRIEND (TRIED 2 BE). I TRIED TO BE THERE BECAUSE I KNOW LOSS! I WAS THERE FOR HER!!! LIKE A GOOD PERSON WOULD OF BEEN! I STILL HOPE WHOMEVER DID THIS SHOULD DIE A SLOW PAINFUL DEATH! IT WASNT UNTIL SHE STARTED TALKIN BS TO ME THAT I COULD CARE FUCKIN LESS ABOUT HER! ITS NOT ABOUT HER ITS ABOUT JOHNNY AND LISA! THANK YOU! THERE IT IS! IM NOT LETTIN UR ASS GET A RISE OUTTA ME! FIND SOMETHING BETTER TO DO HONEY! ENOUGH SAID!

[JsMom]

Yea I just love how they try to make it seem like their pages r so helpful when all they do is spread FLAT OUT lies and speak horrible about family members. And people have the nerve to ask why we say some on the things we do about these pe...ople on Johnnys page. HORRIBLE HORRIBLE people and in my eyes they are no better than the people who committed this crime. For all we know they are the people that did it. They don't put THEIR name on the page. They could just be playing sum sort of sick game. DEFINITELY feel they need to be investigated!

Maytee, the reality is, this thread is managed in a very responsible fashion, unlike your FB page. Gossip & sly innuendo are not allowed to be presented as fact, members are not allowed to make threats. Whatever credibility you had is gone {with many of us} & you have no one to blame but yourself, it's impossible to take you seriously when you continue to pull voodoo out of your ass, you have become a pitiful joke in the eyes of many & the compassion so many of us shared for you is fast becoming nonexistent because of your demeanor & wishes of violence upon others. You are a hypocrite, Maytee.

THANK YOU DUCHESS! I agree!

[van64]

I lived with a drug dealer for awhile when I was younger and he was fronted very large amounts of drugs and was supposed to pay up after he made the deals. Of course, he'd end up smoking or snorting a lot of it away himself and be in deep shit with his supplier. I know for awhile there he was in some serious shit and laying low for fear of retaliation. Funny thing is he also hid his drugs and money in the vent and attic space of our apartment so the vents being looked in makes sense to me with this case. I'm wondering if it isn't simpler than we all think and a case of Johnny fucking his supplier over.

Supplier. Thank you; that's the word I was looking for. I am very surprised that a supplier would front a distributor significant amounts of the goods. Hiding the drugs in the vents (and knowing the vents at the house where Johnny and Lisa were killed were searched out) does seem to be more than a coincidence. I personally do not believe in coincidences. You may very well be onto something...simpler than anyone thinks.

[eye.of.my]

I have heard that she was worse than him and it was a closed casket

This is the first time I've read that. Is that a fact or hearsay?

Hearsay.

Heard "closed" and "open".

I'm ⁵⁰⁄₅₀ on it.

Hear say definetly because I heard one thing then another on here, so. I am glad though as I stated before that she had an open casket I cried just hearing that at the thought of them beating that beautiful young lady to the point of a closed casket.

[van64]

Their kids would have been beautiful, yes?[/color]

Agreed!
And I don't doubt that Johnny would've turned his life around. You could tell by his pictures and specific stories people have told about him (including people I talk to) that he had a sweet spirit.
He could've gotten out of the drug game or whatever foolishness he was involved in. You just have to want to.
I've seen people who are just like Johnny turn from drug dealers into COPS! I kid you not.

Usually the trick is to go out...of Toledo.
[/quote]

With enough encouragement and resources behind him, he certainly would have been able to turn his life around. I have heard one or two people deride his vocational choice (barber school) but I know a couple of people who are barbers who do quite well at it. It is a legitimate living that they enjoy, have done it forever (and they're in their 70s now) and they have made a solid living at it. I get a sense too that Johnny was an exceptional kid. I know someone who was good friends of his and is pictured in many of the pictures that have been posted here and elsewhere. The mutual friend is in military service here in NC and speaks very highly of his lost friend. He is having a difficult time dealing with the loss, in fact, and I pray for him every day.

[van64]

You are right, Duchess.
And it's really hard to keep your mouth shut when she is saying all that craziness.
And I keep gagging, but the actually choking hasn't happened yet?

[/quote]You aren't doing it right, sweetheart. Try throwing your tongue back at the same time you throw your neck out.

[AriGold]

It's all that damn "gangsta rap" that's ruining these kids' lives.

[JsMom]

Their kids would have been beautiful, yes?[/color]

Agreed!
And I don't doubt that Johnny would've turned his life around. You could tell by his pictures and specific stories people have told about him (including people I talk to) that he had a sweet spirit.
He could've gotten out of the drug game or whatever foolishness he was involved in. You just have to want to.
I've seen people who are just like Johnny turn from drug dealers into COPS! I kid you not.

Usually the trick is to go out...of Toledo.

With enough encouragement and resources behind him, he certainly would have been able to turn his life around. I have heard one or two people deride his vocational choice (barber school) but I know a couple of people who are barbers who do quite well at it. It is a legitimate living that they enjoy, have done it forever (and they're in their 70s now) and they have made a solid living at it. I get a sense too that Johnny was an exceptional kid. I know someone who was good friends of his and is pictured in many of the pictures that have been posted here and elsewhere. The mutual friend is in military service here in NC and speaks very highly of his lost friend. He is having a difficult time dealing with the loss, in fact, and I pray for him every day.
[/quote]

I also think Johnny would of done a GREAT JOB at being a barber! I truly believe he tried to better himself!

[Ohio4life]

My family was at Lisa's showing. She had an open casket.

[JsMom]

It's all that damn "gangsta rap" that's ruining these kids' lives.

I love this one Ari~Too Funny~But sadly ur probably right!

[van64]

Their kids would have been beautiful, yes?[/color]

Agreed!
And I don't doubt that Johnny would've turned his life around. You could tell by his pictures and specific stories people have told about him (including people I talk to) that he had a sweet spirit.
He could've gotten out of the drug game or whatever foolishness he was involved in. You just have to want to.
I've seen people who are just like Johnny turn from drug dealers into COPS! I kid you not.

Usually the trick is to go out...of Toledo.

With enough encouragement and resources behind him, he certainly would have been able to turn his life around. I have heard one or two people deride his vocational choice (barber school) but I know a couple of people who are barbers who do quite well at it. It is a legitimate living that they enjoy, have done it forever (and they're in their 70s now) and they have made a solid living at it. I get a sense too that Johnny was an exceptional kid. I know someone who was good friends of his and is pictured in many of the pictures that have been posted here and elsewhere. The mutual friend is in military service here in NC and speaks very highly of his lost friend. He is having a difficult time dealing with the loss, in fact, and I pray for him every day.

I also think Johnny would of done a GREAT JOB at being a barber! I truly believe he tried to better himself!
[/quote]But people must have that lift up initially, don't they? Johnny certainly couldn't get it from Maytee but the Straubs with their jobs and role-modelling were great examples to follow and could carry him until he made it through barber school and was set up. Genetics makes up a great deal of what a person is but living conditions and environment play their fair share, too. Johnny finally had an opportunity to turn his ship around but unfortunately it would appear he was too far in to the game...

[JsMom]

Their kids would have been beautiful, yes?[/color]

Agreed!
And I don't doubt that Johnny would've turned his life around. You could tell by his pictures and specific stories people have told about him (including people I talk to) that he had a sweet spirit.
He could've gotten out of the drug game or whatever foolishness he was involved in. You just have to want to.
I've seen people who are just like Johnny turn from drug dealers into COPS! I kid you not.

Usually the trick is to go out...of Toledo.

With enough encouragement and resources behind him, he certainly would have been able to turn his life around. I have heard one or two people deride his vocational choice (barber school) but I know a couple of people who are barbers who do quite well at it. It is a legitimate living that they enjoy, have done it forever (and they're in their 70s now) and they have made a solid living at it. I get a sense too that Johnny was an exceptional kid. I know someone who was good friends of his and is pictured in many of the pictures that have been posted here and elsewhere. The mutual friend is in military service here in NC and speaks very highly of his lost friend. He is having a difficult time dealing with the loss, in fact, and I pray for him every day.

I also think Johnny would of done a GREAT JOB at being a barber! I truly believe he tried to better himself!

But people must have that lift up initially, don't they? Johnny certainly couldn't get it from Maytee but the Straubs with their jobs and role-modelling were great examples to follow and could carry him until he made it through barber school and was set up. Genetics makes up a great deal of what a person is but living conditions and environment play their fair share, too. Johnny finally had an opportunity to turn his ship around but unfortunately it would appear he was too far in to the game...


[/quote]

yah i would have to agree with u Van! Thats whats so sad other then their murders! Is that he was TRYING to get his life together! I also believe the straubs did have a positive role in what he was tryin to accomplish! THIS JUST BREAKS MY HEART! =( they r both SO BEAUTIFUL && HANDSOME!

[Adub]

What the fuck were Johnny and Lisa doing hanging out with TW?

[DickTracy]

I have lost all respect for Maytee. She showed her true colors by all the tirades and voodoo garbage she posts on facebook. I feel for her as a mother who lost her son, but IMHO as person she is a classless piece of trash.

Well HELLO, Mr. Tracy! LOL!

Yes, I'm done talking to Maytee and talking about her bullshit.
And I refuse to bash a mother who has to go through this, eventhough I do believe she raised her son in an environment that was a recipe for disaster. But I'm not going to sit here and badmouth her, either. I'm just done with her.

G-Morning ToledoNative!
I agree with you, but it struck a nerve with her comments about people from Mock. We all want justice for Johnny & Lisa!

[onefortheroad]

What the fuck were Johnny and Lisa doing hanging out with TW?

I think they had a buyer/dealer relationship or TW facilitated it, but I'm back and forth about which side was which.

[AriGold]

FYI, Based on the 'RIP Johnny' FB page, Maytee seems considerably calmer in the last 10 hours or so.

I think the lithium kicked in.