Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[van64]

I don't believe TW talking with media would be snitching because she doesn't know anything.

Outside of the timeline, I'm sure you're right about that.

[JsMom]

Hey we're neighbors. I'm just across the hill in NC.

Awesome! Howdy neighbor!
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In the words of the immortal Minnie Pearl, "How-deeeeeeeee!"
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Right! I hate she passed! I thought she was funny!

[van64]

The older pictures (only about 7 months old if the camera is right) on the beach he and Lisa look much healthier and he looks physically bigger than in that BA Christmas picture the one where he is wearing the green shirt (BA has the whole picture posted on FB) they both look like they loss a lot of weight to me anyway.

Edit: My bad it looks to be only 5 months.

With his shirt on it may be difficult to ascertain just how pumped up he is. In one of the pics of him without his shirt where he is flexing, he has biceps as large if not larger than I have ever seen on any guy in real life. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of a punch from him and if he truly recognized the danger from the intruders early on, he would have fought viciously for his and Lisa's life.

[Jane]

Every funeral I have ever been to in my life was open casket. I think I would of been tramatized if I couldnt of seen them, hold their hand, or even kiss their forehead! and Up north Michigan where I was born they buried them in front of us! I now live in Tennessee and they do not bury them in front of U. Well they lay them in the grown but DONT put dirt on top of them until the family is gone! When I went through that I thought it was wrong and I tripped out! I also asked for them to wait to lay the casket down until I was gone and THEY DID NOT! so yah things are different in different states as well!

Born & raised in TN, & still here. If you've never seen dirt being put on a casket, here, then you never stuck around, because they will do it in front of the family, UNLESS the family specifically requests otherwise..

[JsMom]

Every funeral I have ever been to in my life was open casket. I think I would of been tramatized if I couldnt of seen them, hold their hand, or even kiss their forehead! and Up north Michigan where I was born they buried them in front of us! I now live in Tennessee and they do not bury them in front of U. Well they lay them in the grown but DONT put dirt on top of them until the family is gone! When I went through that I thought it was wrong and I tripped out! I also asked for them to wait to lay the casket down until I was gone and THEY DID NOT! so yah things are different in different states as well!

Born & raised in TN, & still here. If you've never seen dirt being put on a casket, here, then you never stuck around, because they will do it in front of the family, UNLESS the family specifically requests otherwise..

O ok! Ive just never seen it done here! thanks for clearing that up!

[NightOwl]

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[van64]

Every funeral I have ever been to in my life was open casket. I think I would of been tramatized if I couldnt of seen them, hold their hand, or even kiss their forehead! and Up north Michigan where I was born they buried them in front of us! I now live in Tennessee and they do not bury them in front of U. Well they lay them in the grown but DONT put dirt on top of them until the family is gone! When I went through that I thought it was wrong and I tripped out! I also asked for them to wait to lay the casket down until I was gone and THEY DID NOT! so yah things are different in different states as well!

Born & raised in TN, & still here. If you've never seen dirt being put on a casket, here, then you never stuck around, because they will do it in front of the family, UNLESS the family specifically requests otherwise..

Same here but the local funeral home (and our county borders TN) will always ask the family if the family wants to bury their loved one. I don't think I ever have--I do not remember it--but for years, our family would hand dig the graves. I distinctly remember that growing up. The family burial plot is several acres large with probably a couple hundred family members interred there, high on a hill surrounded by trees and looking out onto a mountain range. I have often thought it would be the sweetest spot ever for a homesite. Growing up, the only way to access the burial site was to walk it or hook up the horses and take a sled ride to the top. Now you can make it to the top but you must have a 4WD. The access road to the cemetery is probably a quarter of a mile.

[JsMom]

Every funeral I have ever been to in my life was open casket. I think I would of been tramatized if I couldnt of seen them, hold their hand, or even kiss their forehead! and Up north Michigan where I was born they buried them in front of us! I now live in Tennessee and they do not bury them in front of U. Well they lay them in the grown but DONT put dirt on top of them until the family is gone! When I went through that I thought it was wrong and I tripped out! I also asked for them to wait to lay the casket down until I was gone and THEY DID NOT! so yah things are different in different states as well!

Born & raised in TN, & still here. If you've never seen dirt being put on a casket, here, then you never stuck around, because they will do it in front of the family, UNLESS the family specifically requests otherwise..

Same here but the local funeral home (and our county borders TN) will always ask the family if the family wants to bury their loved one. I don't think I ever have--I do not remember it--but for years, our family would hand dig the graves. I distinctly remember that growing up. The family burial plot is several acres large with probably a couple hundred family members interred there, high on a hill surrounded by trees and looking out onto a mountain range. I have often thought it would be the sweetest spot ever for a homesite. Growing up, the only way to access the burial site was to walk it or hook up the horses and take a sled ride to the top. Now you can make it to the top but you must have a 4WD. The access road to the cemetery is probably a quarter of a mile.

WOW! I bet thats beautiful!!!!

[Lady Cop]

interesting, 'facebook justice for johnny' lady has given us a mention on her site. i guess she really had to since she lifts our comments/articles. looks like she lifts websleuth's also. we are public after all, it's only correct to give attribution.

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OH - Lisa Straub (20)/Johnny Clarke (21): Found murdered on 1/31/11 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Co
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Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub
Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

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this is a nice quiet area. they had to know their killers. i'm just hearing about this, need to know more about victims. awful crime. inexplicable. the poor mother of Johnny was in the street screaming...
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[Duchess]

Reading that Maytee was in the street screaming gave me goose bumps. That's so awful & so sad.

[JsMom]

interesting, 'facebook justice for johnny' lady has given us a mention on her site. i guess she really had to since she lifts our comments/articles. looks like she lifts websleuth's also. we are public after all, it's only correct to give attribution.

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Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub
OH - Lisa Straub (20)/Johnny Clarke (21): Found murdered on 1/31/11 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Co
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OH - Lisa Straub (20)/Johnny Clarke (21): Found murdered on 1/31/11 Crimes in the News
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Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub
Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

mockforums.net

this is a nice quiet area. they had to know their killers. i'm just hearing about this, need to know more about victims. awful crime. inexplicable. the poor mother of Johnny was in the street screaming...
31 minutes ago · Like · Comment

well hell~Its about time we get recognition!! Our efforts here are finding JUSTICE by brainstorming together!!! I LOVE MOCK!!!:B

[Lady Cop]

Reading that Maytee was in the street screaming gave me goose bumps. That's so awful & so sad.

that was my first post in starting this thread. it made me want to cry too. i've seen too many people receive terrible news and it's always gut-wrenching. i once heard a mom screaming from 2 blocks away. it just tore out my heart.

[JsMom]

Reading that Maytee was in the street screaming gave me goose bumps. That's so awful & so sad.

=,,,,,( Thats terrible! I feel worse for the Clarke family due to the fact they had to find these 2 beautiful and handsome couple murdered in this manner! I CAN NOT EVEN IMAGINE!!! I can NOT express my sadness and hurt for Maytee and John!

[van64]

Reading that Maytee was in the street screaming gave me goose bumps. That's so awful & so sad.

that was my first post in starting this thread. it made me want to cry too. i've seen too many people receive terrible news and it's always gut-wrenching. i once heard a mom screaming from 2 blocks away. it just tore out my heart.

There is just no way anyone can prepare for the shock of the loss of someone so young and so full of energy. It's surreal when it happens. And for a double homicide to occur is even more devastating. After all, Lisa was part of Maytee's family too at this point in time.

[JsMom]

Reading that Maytee was in the street screaming gave me goose bumps. That's so awful & so sad.

that was my first post in starting this thread. it made me want to cry too. i've seen too many people receive terrible news and it's always gut-wrenching. i once heard a mom screaming from 2 blocks away. it just tore out my heart.

There is just no way anyone can prepare for the shock of the loss of someone so young and so full of energy. It's surreal when it happens. And for a double homicide to occur is even more devastating. After all, Lisa was part of Maytee's family too at this point in time.

brings up to many memories! Poor Maytee!

[JsMom]

LC, I dont know how u did it! Ur a good one! Id be so upset seeing/telling a parent they have lost a loved one let alone their CHILD! It would tare me apart! It definitly takes a special person to be a cop/emt/firefighter!

[My3littlepiggies]

I feel like this case lost media attention when people started speculating that Johnny was involved in drugs. None of which has been proven to me at this point. It seems to me that when things like this happen people get judgemental and start acting like they don't care or like they deserved it. Like when a prostitute is killed. Which wasn't helped by the last comments made by LE making it sound like they deserved it. That is just wrong and doesn't help to get this solved. This was still someones son/daughter,sister, brother and friend. Plus none of this has been proven. Baggies mean nothing. They could have just smoked weed. Corner of baggie = a nickel of weed.Digital scale could have also been used to make sure they weren't getting a "tight" sack. I think that is why Nancy Grace stopped talking about it. She has judged and decided that its not worth her attention. I also think that the comments made by LE at the springfield township meeting was to get pressure off of them and to make their suburban residents feel safe.Even if its not true.

[JsMom]

I feel like this case lost media attention when people started speculating that Johnny was involved in drugs. None of which has been proven to me at this point. It seems to me that when things that this happen people get judgemental and start acting like they don't care or like they deserved it. Like when a prostitute is killed. Which wasn't helped by the last comments made by LE making it sound like they deserved it. That is just wrong and doesn't help to get this solved. This was still someones son/daughter,sister, brother and friend. Plus none of this has been proven. Baggies mean nothing. They could have just smoked weed. Corner of baggie = a nickel of weed.Digital scale could have also been used to make sure they weren't getting a "tight" sack. I think that is why Nancy Grace stopped talking about it. She has judged and decided that its not worth her attention. I also think that the comments made by LE at the springfield township meeting was to get pressure of of them and to make their suburban residents feel safe.Even if its not true.

I agree and thats terrible! I still say "was it planted there?" U never know!

[van64]

I feel like this case lost media attention when people started speculating that Johnny was involved in drugs. None of which has been proven to me at this point. It seems to me that when things that this happen people get judgemental and start acting like they don't care or like they deserved it. Like when a prostitute is killed. Which wasn't helped by the last comments made by LE making it sound like they deserved it. That is just wrong and doesn't help to get this solved. This was still someones son/daughter,sister, brother and friend. Plus none of this has been proven. Baggies mean nothing. They could have just smoked weed. Corner of baggie = a nickel of weed.Digital scale could have also been used to make sure they weren't getting a "tight" sack. I think that is why Nancy Grace stopped talking about it. She has judged and decided that its not worth her attention. I also think that the comments made by LE at the springfield township meeting was to get pressure of of them and to make their suburban residents feel safe.Even if its not true.

You are right on the money. Unfortunately, this kind of wrong-headed thinking leaves 1) killer(s) still unaccounted for and not brought to justice and 2) leaves open the distinct possibility that the next time the killer(s) kill, an innocent may likely be killed by them...just imagine a grandmother sitting on her porch taking a bullet through the head when a gunfight erupts in the street and the perp there is one of these killers or imagine LE being taken down when the perp(s) are stopped on a routine traffic stop. NO ONE is safe as long as these perps are on the loose. LE's comments didn't put themselves in a favorable light, either, but at least one LE community member is too dumb to see that.

[Methusala]

A. In marbury v. madison the sup court gave themselves the power to be the final review and if memory serves (its been many years since I read the case...the whole fucking case) they made themselves the final review of State law! State law! States have their own supreme courts to deal with it, but no! The feds can do it better.…

I respectfully disagree. M v M only applies where the law is in violation of the United States Constitution. The Supreme Court does not determine what laws may or may not have violated state constitutions.

Second a lawyer is only appointed in criminal cases, that involve a penalty of prison and only from the point of arraignment on to conviction (and you get one appeal for free). This doesn't include civil. when the aclu brings cases to challenge the constitutionality of a law it is through civil court. ONly when it defends a person for a crime that is unconsitutional do they get that free attorney.

You are right. I apologize if I did not make that sufficiently clear. I thought I had. Nevertheless, I trust you do not dispute my central point that anyone and everyone is free to file a case challenging the constitutionality of any law, or free to raise the issue in defense against any lawsuit employing any law.

Frye v. us was regarding polygraphs which are not allowed as evidence at trial.

I am sorry, but I believe you are wrong. While that case was about excluding a polygraph test result, it was a case of first instance which required the court to frame a rule as to when alleged scientific evidence of any kind was to be accepted or excluded. That Frye rule has since been applied all over the country to apply to all kinds of alleged scientific evidence. It is not strictly a polygraph test rule.

For example, the Frye v. US test was applied to exclude use of so-called "anatomically-correct" dolls in interviewing children alleged to have been physically abused, because it was determined that use of the dolls did not meet the Frye test as being generally recognized as reliable in the scientific community.

Last: of course there are unconstitutional laws. Jim crow laws were held unconsititutional. criminal laws regarding inter-racial marriage. unconstitutional. Brown v. board ring a bell. state v. lopez (fed law for gun-free school zones) held unconstitutional (b4 you shit, the court said that making such a law falls to the states, not the federal govt. to get their nose into state schools and state criminal codes etc.) Those are the ones that jump out at me. There are others.

Bingo, you just made my point. Those laws were held by the Supreme Court to be unconstitutional. That's how it's done. Not by people running around yelling "The sky is falling." So, do you like that process, or you don't like it? Up above, you complained about the Marbury v. Madison decision.

Thank you for an interesting post.