Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[onefortheroad]

AND I still cannot get over the fact that the house was not burned down unless, as Ari said, all the perps wanted was to make and to leave a statement. I mean, LE obviously is at a dead end and by burning the house down, the perps could have almost assured the case would start cold and be cold for years on end and probably never solved. As it is, there has to be some DNA of the perps somewhere. But a housefire would have destroyed all the perps DNA.[/color]

The perps might have been so intent on finding what they came for and torturing/punishing Johnny & Lisa that they didn't even think of burning the house down.

Well, to be honest, I didn't think about it either until last night and then I was like, BOMBSHELL! What the perfect ending to make this crime perfectly unsolvable.

And professionals might have done that, but I don't think these perps were professional or even very smart, though this crime was so vicious that it wouldn't surprise me if they've killed before. I tend to agree that this was a statement of some kind.

[onefortheroad]

Van64 - I happen to agree with you DUI - Kills - I had some drunken bastard come at me on the wrong side of the road! So menace is right on - but, another menace is BD - Lisa's ex according to Maytee - check that menace out - was someone out there scorned by Lisa - some sicko that sits nightly in the Bars both Applebee's and TGI Fridays have a bar - you can't rule out anything. I hope Maytee is calling the Detectives involved everyday - and you and Arigold what a night last night! Good Job both of you!!

IMO a stalker or possessive ex can be ruled out. I can't see that type of person searching vents and punching holes in the bedroom wall looking for something, and a stalker would probably be acting alone in any case, so would not have been able to subdue both victims.

Ah, I had slick forgotten about the vents. Now in all the articles I read last night, there was NO mention of the vents being searched by the perps. So again, how reliable is that information? That right there absolutely screams drugs doesn't it? A lone stalker would not be able to subdue Johnny, agreed.

I think the vents were mentioned by one of Lisa's relatives. If true, I agree that it does scream drugs.

[ZEROSPHERES]

I just overheard a 300 pound woman explain that she adds Velveeta to everything. Sometimes correlation IS causation.

I have heard about that Velveeta diet.

Never Leave Home Without it

Oh my God.

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[van64]

And professionals might have done that, but I don't think these perps were professional or even very smart, though this crime was so vicious that it wouldn't surprise me if they've killed before. I tend to agree that this was a statement of some kind.

[/quote]So if it was a professional hit, it almost certainly revolved around drugs. I think everyone here on this thread will agree with that. If it was NOT a professional hit it could have been drugs, robbery, a crime of passion or all three...and a lot of people early on were in agreement that the perp(s) had killed before which would make at least one of them a serial killer...so if it was NOT a professional hit, who do you think the perps have killed before? A friend? A random stranger? Someone in a robbery gone awry?

[kitty1]

I just had a wierd and strange thought when I saw this pic. How many of you think that if this girl and her hefty boyfriend met the same fate as J and L would we be discussing it as much?? Just a curious thought.

Good point, Kitty - sad, but true. Another thought that occurred to me earlier is that we don't know what most other mockers look like; for all we know, this girl could be one of us.

Yeah! And I look just like my avatar!!!!!

[kitty1]

Van64 - I happen to agree with you DUI - Kills - I had some drunken bastard come at me on the wrong side of the road! So menace is right on - but, another menace is BD - Lisa's ex according to Maytee - check that menace out - was someone out there scorned by Lisa - some sicko that sits nightly in the Bars both Applebee's and TGI Fridays have a bar - you can't rule out anything. I hope Maytee is calling the Detectives involved everyday - and you and Arigold what a night last night! Good Job both of you!!

IMO a stalker or possessive ex can be ruled out. I can't see that type of person searching vents and punching holes in the bedroom wall looking for something, and a stalker would probably be acting alone in any case, so would not have been able to subdue both victims.

Ah, I had slick forgotten about the vents. Now in all the articles I read last night, there was NO mention of the vents being searched by the perps. So again, how reliable is that information? That right there absolutely screams drugs doesn't it? A lone stalker would not be able to subdue Johnny, agreed.

The source of the vent info is from me. I am related to the person who went over when crime cleanup was done. It is fact!!!!

[van64]

Van64 - I happen to agree with you DUI - Kills - I had some drunken bastard come at me on the wrong side of the road! So menace is right on - but, another menace is BD - Lisa's ex according to Maytee - check that menace out - was someone out there scorned by Lisa - some sicko that sits nightly in the Bars both Applebee's and TGI Fridays have a bar - you can't rule out anything. I hope Maytee is calling the Detectives involved everyday - and you and Arigold what a night last night! Good Job both of you!!

IMO a stalker or possessive ex can be ruled out. I can't see that type of person searching vents and punching holes in the bedroom wall looking for something, and a stalker would probably be acting alone in any case, so would not have been able to subdue both victims.

Ah, I had slick forgotten about the vents. Now in all the articles I read last night, there was NO mention of the vents being searched by the perps. So again, how reliable is that information? That right there absolutely screams drugs doesn't it? A lone stalker would not be able to subdue Johnny, agreed.

The source of the vent info is from me. I am related to the person who went over when crime cleanup was done. It is fact!!!!

Ah ha! So the evidence is that this was drug related. So, Kitty Kat, what about the kitchen being a bloody mess? What did you/your person hear about that? Whose blood was the speculation being centered around?

[ZEROSPHERES]

I wish I had enough time to respond to EVERY freakin' post...much less read them...ugh, frustrating!

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[RaisingAPrince]

Sheriff updates double death investigation
Monday, March 07, 2011


TOLEDO, OH -- It's been more than a month since two young people were found dead in a home on Longacre Lane in Springfield Twp.

Today, Lucas Co. sheriff James Telb released an update to the investigation.

Officers believe the couple was targeted and that the killings were not random acts of violence. Neither do they believe this was a "professional hit."

Evidence is being examined, as are polygraph results. Anyone with any information should call 419-213-4917 or Crime Stopper at 419-255-1111.

A reward is offered for information leading to the arrest and conviction of those responsible.

[van64]

I wish I had enough time to respond to EVERY freakin' post...much less read them...ugh, frustrating!

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I can't do it. I can't do it!

I can't keep a straight face.

[van64]

Sheriff updates double death investigation
Monday, March 07, 2011


TOLEDO, OH -- It's been more than a month since two young people were found dead in a home on Longacre Lane in Springfield Twp.

Today, Lucas Co. sheriff James Telb released an update to the investigation.

Officers believe the couple was targeted and that the killings were not random acts of violence. Neither do they believe this was a "professional hit."

Evidence is being examined, as are polygraph results. Anyone with any information should call 419-213-4917 or Crime Stopper at 419-255-1111.

A reward is offered for information leading to the arrest and conviction of those responsible.

Thanks for posting this but they call this an update? I think the Sheriff's department cut and pasted from this thread.

LC! LC! I'm calling foul. The sheriff has cut and pasted from this thread.

[WolfHouse]

Van64 - I happen to agree with you DUI - Kills - I had some drunken bastard come at me on the wrong side of the road! So menace is right on - but, another menace is BD - Lisa's ex according to Maytee - check that menace out - was someone out there scorned by Lisa - some sicko that sits nightly in the Bars both Applebee's and TGI Fridays have a bar - you can't rule out anything. I hope Maytee is calling the Detectives involved everyday - and you and Arigold what a night last night! Good Job both of you!!

IMO a stalker or possessive ex can be ruled out. I can't see that type of person searching vents and punching holes in the bedroom wall looking for something, and a stalker would probably be acting alone in any case, so would not have been able to subdue both victims.

Ah, I had slick forgotten about the vents. Now in all the articles I read last night, there was NO mention of the vents being searched by the perps. So again, how reliable is that information? That right there absolutely screams drugs doesn't it? A lone stalker would not be able to subdue Johnny, agreed.

The source of the vent info is from me. I am related to the person who went over when crime cleanup was done. It is fact!!!!

Kitty,

Did your source mention blood?

The coroner said there were no marks except the neck. Now we
hear it was a bloody crime scene from someone. Should be put
stock in that or not?

WH

[kitty1]

got new info no time to share back soon promise!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RaisingAPrince]

Sheriff updates double death investigation
Monday, March 07, 2011


TOLEDO, OH -- It's been more than a month since two young people were found dead in a home on Longacre Lane in Springfield Twp.

Today, Lucas Co. sheriff James Telb released an update to the investigation.

Officers believe the couple was targeted and that the killings were not random acts of violence. Neither do they believe this was a "professional hit."

Evidence is being examined, as are polygraph results. Anyone with any information should call 419-213-4917 or Crime Stopper at 419-255-1111.

A reward is offered for information leading to the arrest and conviction of those responsible.

Thanks for posting this but they call this an update? I think the Sheriff's department cut and pasted from this thread.

LC! LC! I'm calling foul. The sheriff has cut and pasted from this thread.

My exact thoughts. It does make me wonder though if the news stations are pushing for something....it's not much but I guess it's "something".

[RaisingAPrince]

got new info no time to share back soon promise!!!!!!!!!!!!

TEASE!

[onefortheroad]

And professionals might have done that, but I don't think these perps were professional or even very smart, though this crime was so vicious that it wouldn't surprise me if they've killed before. I tend to agree that this was a statement of some kind.

So if it was a professional hit, it almost certainly revolved around drugs. I think everyone here on this thread will agree with that. If it was NOT a professional hit it could have been drugs, robbery, a crime of passion or all three...and a lot of people early on were in agreement that the perp(s) had killed before which would make at least one of them a serial killer...so if it was NOT a professional hit, who do you think the perps have killed before? A friend? A random stranger? Someone in a robbery gone awry?

Someone who got in their way or crossed them, I'd say.

[Duchess]

*gasp* You people have got to stop doing that!

[onefortheroad]

I just had a wierd and strange thought when I saw this pic. How many of you think that if this girl and her hefty boyfriend met the same fate as J and L would we be discussing it as much?? Just a curious thought.

Good point, Kitty - sad, but true. Another thought that occurred to me earlier is that we don't know what most other mockers look like; for all we know, this girl could be one of us.

Yeah! And I look just like my avatar!!!!!

You mean you don't??!!! :O

[onefortheroad]

Sheriff updates double death investigation
Monday, March 07, 2011


TOLEDO, OH -- It's been more than a month since two young people were found dead in a home on Longacre Lane in Springfield Twp.

Today, Lucas Co. sheriff James Telb released an update to the investigation.

Officers believe the couple was targeted and that the killings were not random acts of violence. Neither do they believe this was a "professional hit."

Evidence is being examined, as are polygraph results. Anyone with any information should call 419-213-4917 or Crime Stopper at 419-255-1111.

A reward is offered for information leading to the arrest and conviction of those responsible.

Thanks for posting this but they call this an update? I think the Sheriff's department cut and pasted from this thread.

LC! LC! I'm calling foul. The sheriff has cut and pasted from this thread.

LOL, that was my first thought when I read this!

[onefortheroad]

got new info no time to share back soon promise!!!!!!!!!!!!

I so hope there's been an arrest.