Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Lady Cop]

this will get interesting, as i predicted. i am told one defendant wants to go to trial and one wants to plead out. i do not have proof of this. BUT...if one wants to plead that means he has to roll over on the other and will have to testify. he will have to allocute and tell the story. and i think more than one person will go down.

In most United States jurisdictions a criminal defendant is allowed the opportunity before sentencing to offer an explanation for the crime through allocution. Some jurisdictions provide that this is an absolute right for all defendants, without which, a sentence may be overturned, and a new sentencing hearing must be held. Allocution is sometimes required of a defendant who pleads guilty to a crime in a plea bargain in exchange for a reduced sentence. In such cases, allocution is intended to provide closure for victims or their families by removing any doubt as to the exact nature of the defendant's guilt in the crime.

[Adub]

I noticed that Pettaway's attorneys are hitting hard for reduced charges. They want the aggravated taken out of the murder. Life instead of death.

Good argument presented by the defense attorneys in the public documents. 41 pages concerning racial discrimination and the death penalty With a good dose of "cruel and unusual" punishment thrown in.

Also, Pettaway's judge has given the go-ahead for the DNA to be tested with a "neutral" lab of both parties choosing.

Williams wants his in-custody statements to be inadmissable. DNA still to be decided.

[timeout]

They got the guy the got away from the Western Avenue home mentioned a few post ago. Still no word on Helm.

[NightOwl]

They got the guy the got away from the Western Avenue home mentioned a few post ago. Still no word on Helm.

Thanks! timeout - the Police did a good job!

[Lady Cop]

They got the guy the got away from the Western Avenue home mentioned a few post ago. Still no word on Helm.

Thanks! timeout - the Police did a good job!

details are HERE:

http://mockforums.net/post-213773.html#pid213773

[koko]

When i first heard about this story, and about the scales and baggies i thought these kids were in on a bad thing. Dealing drugs always ends badly.

yeah but do we actually KNOW johnny was dealing? a scale doesnt mean shit. and as far as the bags, do we know approximately how many there were? bc "baggies" could mean as few as 2. im not trying to say there was no chance johnny was sellin weed, bc it definitely could be a possibility. but we don't know it for sure.

[ttownclown]

I see on facebook that TW is saying that she has been addicted to pills...She is saying that she has been for years...She is now 5 weeks clean...Weird comment to post on facebook...

[Lady Cop]

the one-year anniversary of these terrible murders is approaching.
barring another arrest in the case, i think you will see a slowing of this thread/story. because one trial isn't scheduled until May and both may end up pleading out. if that happens, the case will fade away with the defendants.
the most we may hope for is to get some details on exactly what happened and why.

[Older Than Dirt]

LC, do you know what happened with Destiny Madrid?

[Older Than Dirt]

◦Case Was Filed With Court

◦Case Set For A Arraignment On 10/17/2011 At 10:00 Am

◦Address Changed From: No Street!!!
No C/S/Z!!!

◦Deft To Be Held At: Lucas Co , By Smc
Deft Held , Bond $ , Total , 10%?

◦Case Set For A P D Preliminary On 10-26-2011 At 9:30 Am

◦Deft To Be Held At: Lucas Co , By Syl
Deft Held , Bond $ 500,000.00, Total 500,000.00, 10%? N
No 10% & No Property Bond

◦Case Set For A Prelim-Exam On 10-26-2011 At 9:30 Am

10/25/2011
◦Case Set For A Prelim-Exam On 10-26-2011 At 10:00 Am

10/26/2011
◦Case Set For A Prelim-Exam On 11-16-2011 At 10:00 Am

◦Deft To Be Held At: Lucas Co , By Smc
Deft Held , Bond $ 500,000.00, Total 500,000.00, 10%? N
No Property Bond.
Mrc
11/15/2011
◦Gayle @ Special Master Doyle Notified - Hold Until
12-31-11
Mrc

11/16/2011
◦Case Set For A Prelim-Exam On 11-23-2011 At 10:00 Am

◦Deft To Be Held At: Lucas Co , By Smc
Deft Held , Bond $ 500,000.00, Total 500,000.00, 10%? N
Doyle Hold Until 12-31-11
Mrc
11/23/2011
◦Case Set For A Prelim-Exam On 12/07/2011 At 9:30 Am

◦Deft To Be Held At: Lucas Co , By Smc
Deft Held , Bond $ 500,000.00, Total 500,000.00, 10%? N

12/05/2011
◦Case Set For A Prelim-Exam On 12/14/2011 At 10:00 Am

12/14/2011
◦Case Set For A Prelim-Exam On 01/04/2012 At 10:00 Am

◦Deft To Be Held At: Lucas Co , By Smc
Deft Held , Bond $ 500,000.00, Total 500,000.00, 10%? N
No 10 % No Property Bond

◦Doyle Cont To 2/8/2012 -Tmr

01/04/2012
◦Case Set For A Prelim-Exam On 01-11-2012 At 10:00 Am

◦Deft To Be Held At: Lucas Co , By Smc
Deft Held , Bond $ 500,000.00, Total 500,000.00, 10%? N
No Property Bond. Doyle Hold Until 2-8-12
Mrc

THIS IS ALL I COULD FIND

[Lady Cop]

thanks Dirt Lady! i was just coming to tell you she is still in custody.

[NightOwl]

Found a mugshot of Johnny and the other 2 involved with him Sanders & St Clair and take note they spelled it John Clark with no e on the end here are the trio's mugshots at this link... http://www.mugshotsonline.com/ohio/toled...s/26955781



As far as I know the other 2 involved with Johnny are still alive - it's so sad this young fellow is gone like this, he was a nice looking fellow!

I still want to know why? I want to know why Johnny and Lisa were suffocated to death.

[Cracker]

I still want to know why?

A little bad influence goes a long way.

[JsMom]

Holy Fuck!

[pplrcrazy]

Wow, that's some crazy shit right there...

[Miss Conspiracy]

A little bad influence goes a long way.

OMG!!!! what a fugly bitch!!

[sharit]

When i first heard about this story, and about the scales and baggies i thought these kids were in on a bad thing. Dealing drugs always ends badly.

yeah but do we actually KNOW johnny was dealing? a scale doesnt mean shit. and as far as the bags, do we know approximately how many there were? bc "baggies" could mean as few as 2. im not trying to say there was no chance johnny was sellin weed, bc it definitely could be a possibility. but we don't know it for sure.

scales and baggies? JMO but i do not think they were weighing and storing food portions. I have been wrong before, but I am willing to bet drugs are the motive here. Which does not make J and L bad kids. Just kids led down the wrong path. Again JMO.

[sharit]

A little bad influence goes a long way.

OMG!!!! what a fugly bitch!!

Fuck! I was not ready for that.

[koko]

scales and baggies? JMO but i do not think they were weighing and storing food portions. I have been wrong before, but I am willing to bet drugs are the motive here. Which does not make J and L bad kids. Just kids led down the wrong path. Again JMO.

gotcha. my point was going to be that just because someone has a digital scale and bags lying around doesnt mean they sold drugs. for example you could go up in my room right now and you'd find a scale. you'd also find a few baggies. never sold drugs in my life. just a smoker who ended up buying a scale to make sure a-holes dont try and short me. now if were talking about a fresh box full of baggies then ya it's much more plausible, but of course all we know is "baggies". dumb media.

i don't disagree with your point that drugs are a possible motive. but there's a lot of different scenarios, drug related ones, that could have led to this. maybe pills? maybe weed? or maybe nothing even related to johnny possibly dealing drugs. it seems too vicious to be over drugs, but people do crazy fucked up shit. there's a little something in the back of my mind that makes me think it was more for some type of revenge. all these circumstances just make you think.




& holy crap cracker. wow. i dont even know what else to say at all her mugshots. wowwww.

[koko]

edit: srry for the double post, thought it had been longer than 15 min since my last. delete please & thanks