Tucson SWAT murders innocent Iraqi vet

[Cynical Ninja]

What a surprise, shitstorm was talking shit as usual.

[Lady Cop]

law-abiding citizens don't usually feel the need to engage in counter-surveillance of law enforcement. that's more of a criminal occupation and concern.

[Cynical Ninja]

law-abiding citizens don't usually feel the need to engage in counter-surveillance of law enforcement. that's more of a criminal occupation and concern.

Exactly the only reason to counter surveill the police is because you are up to something, the mafia counter surveill the police for example (I'm not saying this guy was in the mafia by the way), but if you are up to something dodgy it makes sense to watch the watchers.

[Maggot]

I like keeping an eye on where the coppers are I have an old scanner that picks up many channels and a camera facing my driveway and front of the house. In some places it is illegal to film a cop yet they will film you if they want. That is a bit fucked up.

[Lady Cop]

Filming the Police

In at least three U.S. states, it is illegal to film an active duty police officer:

The legal justification for arresting the "shooter" rests on existing wiretapping or eavesdropping laws, with statutes against obstructing law enforcement sometimes cited. Illinois, Massachusetts, and Maryland are among the 12 states in which all parties must consent for a recording to be legal unless, as with TV news crews, it is obvious to all that recording is underway. Since the police do not consent, the camera-wielder can be arrested. Most all-party-consent states also include an exception for recording in public places where "no expectation of privacy exists" (Illinois does not) but in practice this exception is not being recognized.

[Duchess]

In some places it is illegal to film a cop yet they will film you if they want. That is a bit fucked up.

Cops are exempt from all kinds of laws that the rest of us have to obey.

[Lady Cop]

from what laws are cops exempt?

[Duchess]

Talking on the cell phone while driving, speeding, setting up a speed trap on private property, hahaha! Seriously.

[IMaDick]

They also talk on the radio at high speeds, they carry guns in banks and courthouses, they enter private property with impunity, they kick in doors of private residences, they break out car windows ya cops suck bilge water, but then again, they take bullets for the pubic, die in high speed chases, come in contact with people with aids,hepatitis,murderers,robbers and rapists, they have to deal with crying,screaming women,belligerent drunks, drug dealers,gang members,and all kinds of the dregs of the earth, I guess maybe they aren't all bad just fucked up that they can break the law when they want to.

[Duchess]

Out of respect for LC I don't intend to respond to that the way I want to. Ta Ta.

[Maggot]

While filming an officer is illegal in a few states, all cases get tossed as the constitutionality of the issue would negate the law entirely. There was a case here that the woman would not accept the case being thrown out. I believe it is still in the court system.

[IMaDick]

Out of respect for LC I don't intend to respond to that the way I want to. Ta Ta.

I won't respond to this the way I want to out of respect for myself.

[Lady Cop]

Dick, let's not forget this blatant brutal abuse of power and due process---->

[Duchess]

Hahahaha!

FREEZE BITCH! Back away from the donuts.

[IMaDick]

LC, I'm pretty sure that he was given his lesson in the squad room after that stop.

police on police justice is brutal.

[shitstorm]

AZ Daily Star

The man shot and killed by Pima County SWAT officers was linked to a home-invasion crew, the attorney representing the officers said Thursday.

Linked by whom? Some jailhouse snitch who may have lied, as they often do?

Attorney Michael Storie said authorities found rifles, handguns, body armor and a portion of a law-enforcement uniform inside the house where Jose Guerena was shot by officers serving a search warrant May 5.

A guy who served two tours in Iraq, a Marine, might well be a gun owner, especially in Arizona where most everyone has guns. Is body armor illegal? What is a portion of a law enforcement uniform? Something from the military, perhaps? Pima County has not been forthcoming with shit. These are words from a lawyer, who got them from people who need to cover their asses. It means nothing. Lawyers can and do lie, just like their clients. If you believe this, Jose Beaz has something to sell you.

"Everything they think they're going to find in there they find," Storie said in a news conference called a day after the Sheriff's Department complained that media reports on the incident spread misinformation and encouraged speculation about events surrounding the shooting. The Sheriff's Department said Wednesday that it would provide no details about the case to the public until the investigation is complete.

The search warrant and court documents showing what deputies were looking for and seized from Guerena's home have been sealed by a judge and are unavailable to the public.

Christopher Scileppi, who is representing the Guerena family, said nothing seized from Guerena's home was illegal and that Storie's statements were unsupported by facts and meant to discredit Guerena's character. Scileppi did not comment on the details of the case.

Gee, ya think a bunch of Rambo hotheads might want to smear the dead man so they aren't charged with murder?

On Thursday afternoon, the Sheriff's Department declined to comment on what the attorneys said.

All statements made by Storie on Thursday morning came from the five SWAT officers he is representing, he said.

The five officers had "no choice but to shoot" when they breached the front door of the house in the 7100 block of South Redwater Drive and saw Guerena holding a rifle, Storie said. The home is on the southwest side, near South Wade and West Los Reales roads.

The house was targeted as part of an investigation into home invasions and drug rip-offs. The Guerena house was among homes that "were identified as locations where these activities were being carried out from."

No arrests have been made from any of the other homes where SWAT served search warrants, Storie said.

According to the SWAT members' statements, all law enforcement vehicles approaching Guerena's home had lights and sirens on and parked in the driveway, Storie said.

Guerena's wife, Vanessa, who was inside the house with their 4-year-old son, has said she did not see or hear lights and sirens and that Guerena thought they were being targeted for a home invasion, which is why her husband grabbed his AR-15 rifle and told her and their son to hide in a closet.

The video proves her wrong but it doesn't mean she heard the siren. They only ran it for a few SECONDS. Is this a bad neighborhood where sirens are common and might not even get her attention? Did she have the TV on, drowning out sounds from outdoors?

The raid took place about 9:30 a.m., and Guerena, 26, was asleep after working the graveyard shift at Asarco Mission Mine, Guerena's wife said.

Storie said that once the SWAT team parked outside the home, the lights and sirens were turned off. [b]An officer banged on the door for about 45 seconds while identifying the team as police, he said.

That is a flat out lie. The video proves that they knocked for ONE SECOND.

@ 26 seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd_OJmTL3jk

[shitstorm]

After that, five SWAT members broke in the front door and saw Guerena holding a rifle at the end of a long hallway.

One officer began shooting after Guerena placed the rifle in front of him and said: "I've got something for you; I've got something for you guys," Storie said.

You mean he didn't even say "coppers", like Edward G Robinson, when he said had something for them? If he was lying in wait with something for them, why didn't he even take the safety off? He's a (dead) Marine, ffs. They certainly know not to leave the safety on when they intend to shoot someone.

More bullshit from the killers.

The other officers at the front door of the house also fired, striking Guerena.

All five SWAT members were shooting from just outside the home and never entered the house, Storie said.

After Guerena's wife and son came out of the house, officers sent in a robot, and that's when they saw Guerena had been shot and was unresponsive.

When asked why SWAT members did not rush in to render medical aid to Guerena, Storie said officers on scene "have to assume that there are other people with guns and that there are other people with body armor inside the residence."

He said officers could not conclude Guerena was incapacitated because he fell into a room after he was shot and officers could not see him from the doorway.

Based on a photograph of a large bloodstain inside the home, Scileppi said, Guerena fell down in clear view of the front door and officers could see him.

And, the 911 call shows his wife begged for help but fire dept paramedics were held off for an hour while he bled to death.

The SWAT officers fired 71 shots, striking Guerena 22 times.

The search warrant was not directed at any particular person, and Guerena's name was not mentioned, but it was targeting whoever might be inside the residence, Storie said.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

How quaint. Ancient history for the modern police state.

If SWAT members had been let into the home, those inside "probably ... wouldn't have been arrested," Storie said.

The entire video is less than a minute. The man was asleep after working 12 hours in a mine. The couple never had time to assess what what happening and the SWAT team sure as hell had no intention of giving it. They were hyped up yahoos and it was over and done in under a minute. How quickly life can be snuffed out.

While the SWAT team was at Guerena's home, another SWAT team was serving a search warrant in a nearby home as part of the same investigation, and Storie said a man showed up during the search and said, "You shot my relative."

Storie believes somebody called from inside Guerena's home and alerted family members to the shooting.

The only people there were the couple and their child. The woman and child were kept from her dying husband. Storie "believes". More lawyer bullshit to fabricate an excuse for his client's actions.

Scileppi said he would not comment on those allegations until he "has all the facts."

A portrait of Jesus Malverde, believed to be a "narco saint," was found under Guerena's bed, Storie said. He did not know if drugs were found in the home. Guerena's wife denies having them in her home.

He keeps his saint pictures under the bed? Most hispanics hang them on wall and have candles and shit.

According to Storie, several days before the shooting undercover officers in an unmarked car drove by Guerena's home to do surveillance, and 10 minutes after they drove by, they were alerted that their license plate had been run through the Motor Vehicle Division by someone they say followed the unmarked vehicle from Guerena's home. That was considered countersurveillance on law enforcement, Storie said.

Under the Federal Privacy Act, the MVD in Arizona cannot release information on a license plate to anyone other than to law enforcement

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More throw it against the wall and see what sticks. They claim they were surveilling several homes (where no arrests resulted). If this even happened, who says it came from their phone?

Scileppi said it took two weeks for "the fourth version of the story" and these details to emerge because "they needed to put a story out that is going to protect them."

"Bottom line is they've had two weeks to construct a story, circle the wagons," Scileppi said.

Scileppi asked Storie and the Sheriff's Department to release more information about the incident. "The family wants to know the truth," he said.

Scileppi has partnered with Patrick Broom for this case. The five officers Storie is representing are from the Sahuarita, Marana and Oro Valley police departments, and two from the Sheriff's Department. The sheriff's SWAT team is made up of officers from different agencies.

How ironic that this is Sheriff Dupnik, the guy who when interviewed, on MSNBC, about the shooting of Gabby Giffords, could only rail against "teabaggers" and talk about Obamacare. When he was pressed about Giffords, he would just stay on his teabagger rants. Of course, MSNBC loved it because he was doing their DNC talking points, all while they were using the Giffords story to drive home the point that the right to bear arms is dangerous because gun violence is deadly, and the sheriff is covering up the murder of a man who was roused from his sleep.

Anyway, LC, you win. The fourth amendment is dead. Police can and do kill with impunity. Just like Nazi Germany. The American experiment of a constitutional republic is as dead as that Marine.


Disturbing results of SWAT transparency bill; Maryland's SWAT transparency bill produces its first disturbing results.
http://reason.com/archives/2010/03/01/45...ds-per-day


Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids in America
http://reason.com/archives/2010/03/01/45...ds-per-day

[Duchess]

That video is very disturbing the way they just bust in & start shooting. Jesus Christ, that could be any of our homes.

I don't see anything suspicious with him having a bullet proof vest in his home or guns either for that matter. The only thing that strikes me as odd is him keeping a picture of the saint he worships under the bed.

[Still Waters]

It is very doubtful that any of those officers will be prosecuted. They were doing what they are trained to do.
From what I have seen I think the widow and her son are going to be well compensated for the killing of her husband and the boys father just like Randy Weaver of Ruby Ridge Idaho was.

[Cynical Ninja]

Sorry if I'm a swat team member and I enter a suspects house and I see him with a gun in his hand and he says "I've got something for you" I'm shooting him in the face pronto.