Crime and Color

[Cracker]

From the Daily Telegraph, London:

"The data provide a breakdown of the ethnicity of the 18,091 men and boys who police took action against for a range of violent and sexual offences in London in 2009-10.

They show that among those proceeded against for street crimes, 54 per cent were black; for robbery, 59 per cent; and for gun crimes, 67 per cent. Street crimes include muggings, assault with intent to rob and snatching property.

Just over 12 per cent of London’s 7.5 million population is black, including those of mixed black and white parentage, while 69 per cent is white, according to the Office for National Statistics."

If you average the crime categories: 54, 59, 67 you get 60% of violent crime being commited by 12% of the population. If you find you find the percentage of that ratio: 60/12, you see that FIVE TIMES (500%) the amount of violent crime is committed in London by people of color. Persons of color are also twice as likely to be the victims of the crimes.

Why?

White men in London commit 49% of the sex crimes and make up about 35% of the population, so most of the pervs are white.

Do you think there is a connection with race (genetically speaking) and crime, or do you think it is cultural? I didn't use the US for comparison because I wanted to remove the "because we are still angry about slavery" reasoning.

Why are black people so violent, even to each other?

[IMaDick]

It depends, do you want me to do the numbers like a liberal or like I had a brain?

Like a liberal - the blacks are a minority and definitely they are being kept in abject poverty which accounts for the higher number of blacks doing crime.

If you want me to do it like I had a brain , then the numbers speak for themselves.

[Cracker]

I think there is so much black crime because they refuse to cooperate with police and "snitch" on each other. That kind of mentality breeds crime.

If black people would let go of the black thing for a few years, they might be able to really do something for their own communities. I wouldn't live in a predominantly black community because they aren't safe. That will piss black people off, but it's true.

I see it in my own community. I live in a white neighborhood. There hasn't been one breakin here. Down the road by the apartments, you have to chain everything down.

[Cracker]

I was reading what black people have to say about it and, of course, they blame white folks. White people won't hire them they say. They forgot to mention they apply for jobs in saggy pants and a hoodie. I see decently-dressed black folks working all kinds of jobs. They have enough sense to dress professionally for interviews and at work. I see the hoodie guys at the car wash, so I guess they don't get the connection. Nobody cares how you dress at home. They do care when you want them to pay you.

Black folks also say they can't get ahead because nobody will lend them money or sell them houses. That, of course, is based on credit scores. If anybody refused to sell a house to a person because of race you KNOW they would sue. While fewer blacks own homes, the ones who did purchase them (with questionable lending guidelines) are more likely to lose them than their white counterparts (790/10000 black families foreclosed compared to ⁴⁵²⁄₁₀₀₀₀ white and ⁷⁶⁹⁄₁₀₀₀₀ Hispanic). The numbers show blacks are almost twice as likely to lose a home to foreclosure. Brown/black combined is 339% (three times) as likely as poor white trash.

A greater percentage of black folks live below the poverty level (there are more poor white people because there are more white people as of today, but a greater percentage of poor folks are black per capita) because the poverty level is determined by number of people in a household and average salary of each adult. Black families are more likely to be one-parent homes and also are more likely to have a larger number of children in the home. They even invented a word for the situation, "baby mama."

Education is free here, so is school lunch, so there is no possible good excuse there.

Numbers don't lie. What is the fucking problem? I would like to know why blame is an acceptable reason to fuck over your children and make their lives suck. Because I think it isn't.

[IMaDick]

Because your ancestors owned slaves and even though none of the blacks alive today have suffered racism they think they should? or else their position is unjustifiable.

you know I would bet that if I worked for the Indians(which I do) I would be subject their hiring policy(which Iam) that a tribal member has prefernce, and if a tribal member wants my job all they have to do is say so.


Here is the list

tribal member
affliate native of a different tribe
tribal member of another tribe
affiliate non tribal members
Mexican
blacks
whiites

So I guess it's all in how you look at things isn't it.

[Cynical Ninja]

The riots in London originally started over a BLACK man being shot by police.

Here endeth the lesson.

[Cracker]

I started this thread because I watch The First 48. Almost ALL of the crimes they cover are black on black or Hispanic crimes. Every now and then it will be poor whites, but rarely. I was thinking, "Is this racist? All they show is black people/illegal immigrants shooting or stabbing each other." But it isn't racist. They don't write the story, they just film it. They film in certain high crime areas in higher crime cities, and those just happen to be areas full of black folks and Hispanics. I know there is white crime, just not enough in one area to film an entire season of the show.

So is the truth racism? No. It is just the truth. Some folks need to think very hard about how they react to the world around them and how they create their own victimhood. Same goes for any person who lives in fear or in a shitty neighborhood.

They should be pissed off their kids aren't safe. They should be angry at the members of their community who end up in prison or have children they can't feed. They should be angry at the members of the community who commit crimes and make it dangerous to own a business or home in a black community. Someday they will figure out that THEY are the man keeping themselves down.

I love soul food and jazz. If the folks would stop killing each other in the streets, I would come by more often to have some ribs. As it stands, there are places I will visit with adult friends, but not with my kids. And NEVER at night.

[Duchess]

And NEVER at night.

I actually worried about you last year when you went to see Harry Potter at the midnight showing.

[Cracker]

I had to stop going to concerts at night if they are in town. It's fucked up that I can't ride MARTA to a concert and have a few beers and count on getting home safely.

I think people are missing a simple fact: When you are fucked-up acting, other people don't want to be around you. I don't want to live around you, work around you, have my kids go to school with your kids, and I am even fucking sick to death of you at the gotdam grocery store.

That isn't racism. It is common sense. Racism is acting like a fucking fool and still thinking you deserve to have what other people have because of the color of your skin.

[username]

They film in certain high crime areas in higher crime cities, and those just happen to be areas full of black folks and Hispanics. I know there is white crime, just not enough in one area to film an entire season of the show.

I don't think race (in and of itself) makes an individual more prone to committing criminal acts. I do believe where you live, your culture and upbringing make you more likely to engage in crime.

It would be interesting to see what the statistics are for black kids (or other minorities) that are adopted out to stable homes at a young age. Stick a minority baby in some middle to upper middle class family and I would think that the statistics would even out. Similarly, it would be interesting to look at crime rates among the different races with filters for income levels.

[IMaDick]

I don't think race (in and of itself) makes an individual more prone to committing criminal acts. I do believe where you live, your culture and upbringing make you more likely to engage in crime.

It would be interesting to see what the statistics are for black kids (or other minorities) that are adopted out to stable homes at a young age. Stick a minority baby in some middle to upper middle class family and I would think that the statistics would even out. Similarly, it would be interesting to look at crime rates among the different races with filters for income levels.

Ugh huh ugh huh

Like a liberal - the blacks are a minority and definitely they are being kept in abject poverty which accounts for the higher number of blacks doing crime.

[Duchess]

What the hell does that even mean, Dick? I happen to agree with her, it makes sense.

[Cracker]

Similarly, it would be interesting to look at crime rates among the different races with filters for income levels.

I hate being an asshole about it, but I hope to shock some people into thinking. Most people avoid discussions of race because it is uncomfortable. I feel badly for the black folks I know and love because I know they are decent people but they get judged along with their brothers. They know it, too. It pisses them off EVERY time.

I think the problem IS financial. Most financial problems (before the effen economy tanked) are behavioral. People just don't end up living in a shithole. Many people I know who were born poor are doing OK now.

Fucked up behaviors prevalent in some cultures causes financial problems. Instead of whining and expecting someone else to take care of your shit for you, do something about it. Work harder. Educate yourself. Fucking behave and stay out of trouble.

We need to stop paying people to be sorry. The help isn't going to be there for people who need it through no fault of their own.

I can't retire on SS until I'm effen 67. I will have worked full time for 54 years by the time I'm 67. That's two full careers and a couple odd years hobbling around with varicose veins.

[Cracker]

I don't want to live around black people because they are violent and steal other people's property.

What are you going to do about it, black folks? Call me a name?

[IMaDick]

What the hell does that even mean, Dick? I happen to agree with her, it makes sense.

It means that you can take the black out of someone by moving them into another culture.

But what username meant was that it's all based on income levels, money breeds civility and with enough of it criminals wouldn't be criminals.

which is bullshit at it's core.

[Cracker]

But what username meant was that it's all based on income levels, money breeds civility and with enough of it criminals wouldn't be criminals.

which is bullshit at it's core.

KEEPING money breeds civility and intelligence. Many people blow through stacks of money and end up where they started.

I don't disagree with user. Generational poverty is a symptom of fucked up behavior patterns.

[Luke Warmwater]

I don't think race (in and of itself) makes an individual more prone to committing criminal acts. I do believe where you live, your culture and upbringing make you more likely to engage in crime.

It would be interesting to see what the statistics are for black kids (or other minorities) that are adopted out to stable homes at a young age. Stick a minority baby in some middle to upper middle class family and I would think that the statistics would even out. Similarly, it would be interesting to look at crime rates among the different races with filters for income levels.

Ugh huh ugh huh

Like a liberal - the blacks are a minority and definitely they are being kept in abject poverty which accounts for the higher number of blacks doing crime.

WTF pinchin' a loaf?

[IMaDick]

WTF pinchin' a loaf?

I was and here you are.

[HairOfTheDog]

They film in certain high crime areas in higher crime cities, and those just happen to be areas full of black folks and Hispanics. I know there is white crime, just not enough in one area to film an entire season of the show.

I don't think race (in and of itself) makes an individual more prone to committing criminal acts. I do believe where you live, your culture and upbringing make you more likely to engage in crime.

It would be interesting to see what the statistics are for black kids (or other minorities) that are adopted out to stable homes at a young age. Stick a minority baby in some middle to upper middle class family and I would think that the statistics would even out. Similarly, it would be interesting to look at crime rates among the different races with filters for income levels.

I think you make a valid point username. I'd like to see those statistics/studies as well.

Anybody who spends some time on Lady Cop's Cell Block will get a view at just how criminally-inclined impoverished white, black, Hispanic and mixed-race folks can be across the nation. In my opinion, we don't see white crime covered as much in the media unless it involves a murder or it's related to a bigger crime (missing child/spouse or major white collar crime).

Here are just two examples:

Haleigh Cummings: adorable little 5 year old with breathing problems. Born into white trash poverty - living in a trailer home in Satsuma, Florida. Dad's a statuatory rapist and drug dealer; he has custody. Mom's a moron who lost custody of her kids because dad's considered more fit for having a vehicle and holding down a job (not including the drug dealing). The baby sitter and dad's current live-in lover is a 17 year old and 6^th grade drop out from a family of druggies and sex offenders. Kid goes missing. 3 years later, no resolution as to the missing person's case, but 7WHITE family members have been imprisoned for felony drug crimes: dad, babysitter (then wife, then ex-wife), babysitter's brother, dad's cousin, babysitter's mom, babysitter's dad, babysitters friend (and search party volunteer).


Hailey Cummings

Hailey Dunn: 13 year old cheerleader from impoverished Colorado City, Texas. Mom's a hospital receptionist and wanna-be teenager with a much younger boyfriend who's all over youtube, getting high as a kite and making amateur horror films with his cousin Egor. Dad (who lives across the field from mom and kids with his new GF) has a record for possessing marijuana and a felony conviction with jail time served for robbery. Dad's GF has a record for false identity. Mom's mom (grandma) is a straight up meth-head busted for possession during the course of the investigation. Mom's youngest brother is busted for possession and warrants twice during the course of the investigation. Dad is busted 2 times during the course of the investigation for failure to appear on warrants. Mom is busted for lying to police by trying to hide the suspect in her daughter's disappearance, possession of a dangerous drug, and hindering apprehension of the suspect.



Hailey Dunn

I don't have the answers to the question posed in this thread, but I'd like to understand the problem better. That means looking at it from all angles. It's not exclusively (and possibly not even predominantly?) a black problem. People who think there are not a lot of strung out, fucked up, child neglecting, drug-dealing, hooking and pimping criminals from the impoverished Caucasian and Hispanic communities may be disillusioned after perusing LC's Cell Block. Or maybe not.

[Cracker]

I don't have the answers to the question posed in this thread, but I'd like to understand the problem better. That means looking at it from all angles. It's not exclusively (and possibly not even predominantly?) a black problem. People who think there are not a lot of strung out, fucked up, child neglecting, drug-dealing, hooking and pimping criminals from the impoverished Caucasian and Hispanic communities may be disillusioned after perusing LC's Cell Block. Or maybe not.

Here is my thesis on generational poverty. It's not a bullshit post, for once. haha: http://mockforums.net/thread-4472.html?h...al+poverty