Lisa Irwin 10 Mos. missing. MO

[cannongal]

AT THE REQUEST OF BABY LISA'S PARENTS

there will be no more prayer vigils after tonight. (someone else is holding vigil)

time to move on you know.

Are you fucking shitting me? No more vigils? I think I'm going to . Deb and Jeremy can kiss my ass, if I lived anywhere near there, I'd be deliberately holding a vigil every damn night-right in front of their fucking house.

Talk about trying to brush everything under the carpet, makes me want to yuke!

[Lady Cop]

i don't have any use for Lisa's parents, but frankly i think these vigils can be held somewhere besides their front yard. if all they want to do is quietly pray, what's wrong with a public park?
about a dozen people were there tonight.

Before the Prayer Vigil tonight, frustration and anger was prevalent after a white Lincoln Town Car sped away from the home of Baby Lisa with the mother and children in the car. A citizen yelled, "Sure, that's ok, just leave", a family member or friend of the Irwin family then yelled back, "Who said that?", "Come on, who said that?" No one answered.

[MikeyA]

Won't they realize that eventually she'll get tired of her little game and wander on back.

[aussiefriend]

The praying loudly in public in full view and with everyone watching on, is more about 'look at me' than thoughtful meaningful prayer. It's the prayer of hypocrites that Jesus talks about. In her front yard is a clear political statement. OK so they probably did it, why are you praying and bringing prayer into all that? That little child deserves justice and prayers but not like that. You are doing more harm than good, to the cause to everything. Total Cringe Material.

[Duchess]

There are self righteous do gooders in every community. You'll recognize them by their holier than thou attitude.

[aussiefriend]

There are self righteous do gooders in every community. You'll recognize them by their holier than thou attitude.

Vomit City. And there they are in that picture.

[poemofpeace]

The polygraph test came up in this thread before... I am curious about something. How reliable is it in the eyes of the police?

My sense is that although it cannot be too reliable (because it is impossible to codify the meaning of human emotional responses), it is nonetheless taken seriously by the police. Or is it not? Clearly, trauma studies show that people have extremely strong emotional responses to associative memories; so, say you are asked whether you remember something related to a crime, but your memory of some past trauma in your own life is triggered, and your emotions get extremely raw and alert. The polygraph records that as related to the crime question, and you are implicated in a crime that has nothing to do with you. This is just an example of how emotions get triggered, since of course there are millions of other ways. So, my sense is that the polygraph is really not a conclusive test because human emotions respond in much more complicated ways to the world than the assumptions of this test. But, how much are police employees trained in the complexities of trauma studies for example? I doubt that a whole lot... It is hard to square the reliability of the polygraph with even the basics of trauma psychology. My opinion at least... But do the police take this test as reliable?

[Lady Cop]

PoemofPeace, your questions about the poly are most valid. there is a reason they are not admissible in court. they are an investigative tool. an experienced polygrapher is an important element. they often eliminate or include people as suspects. but they are only as good as the polygrapher.
you will find defense lawyers give their clients private polys. if they pass, it is shouted to the rooftops. if they fail it is buried.
when FBI gives them they are usually pretty accurate. but FBI and LE rarely give results in public. however, they help them know in which direction to focus, combined with other facts and evidence.
despite criticism, they are helpful and good indicators. and the mere fact of someone refusing a poly is telling.
a trained polygrapher takes many factors into account...nervousness, emotions, etc.

i can't imagine how it is to lie about a murder. a sociopath can. and people also get drugged up before a poly to mask their responses. but the responses are involuntary, like perspiration and heart rate.

[Red_velvet71]

How the FUCK does one get back to normal when their baby is missing. That just sounds really stoopid.

I agree Dutchess. I would never ever be normal until the day I died if my child was missing. Never!

I don't think this baby will ever be found.

Nothing normal at all about the mother of this baby, nothing!

[poemofpeace]

http://www.examiner.com/crime-justice-in...-baby-lisa

Speculation swirls: Arrest imminent in the case of baby Lisa?

KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI---It has been over two months since baby Lisa Irwin disappeared from her crib located inside her suburban Kansas City home.

Since the infant's disappearance, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin have remained under an umbrella of suspicion by law enforcement, due in large part to inconsistencies in each of the parent's stories and the couple's reluctance to cooperate with law enforcement.

Recent developments, however, have led to speculation that an arrest in the case may be imminent.

Ron Rugen, a Kansas City based private investigator working the case, claims that police have disclosed that not only did a cadaver dog hit on the floor of the parent's bedroom, as originally reported, but that the specially trained cadaver dogs also picked up the scent of human decomposition on a blanket, toy and several articles of clothing belonging to baby Lisa.

Rugen also pointed out the significance of three key locations in the case, the home of Deborah Bradley and Jeremy, a dumpster in a nearby apartment complex that suspiciously caught fire on the night baby Lisa was reported missing and a local BP gas station, which, through surveillance tape, caught footage of a man emerging from the woods near the Bradley's home carrying what appeared to be an infant on the same night that baby Lisa disappeared.

Rugen points out that the close proximity of the three locations increase the possibility that someone in or near the Irwin household could have disposed of evidence related to the disappearance of the child in the burning dumpster on the night in question and was caught by the surveillance video doing just that.

Another indication that law enforcement may be preparing to make an arrest in the case is the fact that the department has quietly shut down the command center that was established to help develop tips in the missing baby's case.

Police also announced that they are no longer treating the disappearance of baby Lisa as a missing person's case, leaving many to speculate that police are aware that the child is no longer alive.

Baby Lisa's great-uncle, Johnny Chivalette has come forth with what he claims are admissions from the child's parents that baby Lisa was accidentally killed in her home on the night in question and that Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin attempted to enlist the aid of family members in an effort to hide evidence relating to the child's death.

According to Chivalette, when family members refused, it was then that Bradley and Irwin turned to acquaintances who were staying at the home of Megan Wright for help in destroying evidence. Cell phone records show that a call was placed to a cell phone belonging to Megan Wright from a phone belonging to Lisa Bradley on the night that baby Lisa disappeared, despite Bradley's claim that the cell phone was not working on the night in question and that it had been stolen from her home.

Chivalette, the maternal uncle of Deborah Bradley, claims that he pleaded with his niece and her husband to cooperate with law enforcement and tell the truth about what happened to the baby on the night that she disappeared. The claims were originally posted by Chivalette on his Facebook page, only to be later removed, although Chivalette as publicly acknowledged his claims through the press.

Law enforcement had no comments in regard to the latest revelations in the case of baby Lisa or on possible pending arrests in the case.

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Is this really new info, or stuff that the police knew for quite a while, and it's merely new to the press? I suspect it's the latter...

[Lady Cop]

there are many errors in that report, i would never rely on the examiner, ron rugen or Baby Lisa's great-uncle, Johnny Chivalette. they all have an agenda.

i sure HOPE arrests are coming soon.

ron rugen: claims that police have disclosed blah blah. he has backpedaled on that statement now. says a "source" close to police" .

the key word in that article is "speculation". easy and cheap.

i'm NOT being critical of YOU Poem! but the sources. it's certainly possible arrests are coming.

[chinchillas2cool]

Well I hope an arrest is close. My patience of these two has worn thin. I've notice the missing child posters have been coming down in my area. Kansas City has exhausted speaking about this case alot recently. I just hope they pin their asses to the wall soon.

[poemofpeace]

[b]there are many errors in that report, i would never rely on the examiner, ron rugen or Baby Lisa's great-uncle, Johnny Chivalette. they all have an agenda.

i'm NOT being critical of YOU Poem! but the sources. it's certainly possible arrests are coming.

No worries at all! Very kind of you to say this, much appreciated, and I actually really like that you are so in tune with what is real vs. what is sand up in the air here.

Thanks, too, for the earlier post on the polygraph. I have a curious mind and I got intrigued by that machinery, I have more thoughts on it, but the time and the space is way too limited for it.

Re the whole tragedy of the baby Lisa, goodness, it just breaks my heart.

[sharit]

Just find it hard to believe Debbie Irwin has not been arrested yet. Bet she is glad she does not live in Orlando Florida. The community would not leave till they arrested her. Justice for baby Lisa, she deserves it and we the people demand it! Arrest Debbie Irwin!

[Duchess]

Arrest Debbie Irwin!

...and charge her with what? I'm not being snarky, I don't say that meanly.

[Lady Cop]

Sharit: Bet she is glad she does not live in Orlando Florida.


even with a shitload of evidence you can get away with killing your child there.

in the baby Lisa case there is no point in making an arrest without enough solid evidence to take to trial and win a conviction.

[sharit]

Sharit: Bet she is glad she does not live in Orlando Florida.


even with a shitload of evidence you can get away with killing your child there.

in the baby Lisa case there is no point in making an arrest without enough solid evidence to take to trial and win a conviction.

I was referring to the crowd of people that stayed outside the anthony home for weeks. Wish they would do that to the irwin home. Florida is where all the crazy people live. always wanted to live there till i started reading their news everyday.

[Lady Cop]

Sharit: Bet she is glad she does not live in Orlando Florida.


even with a shitload of evidence you can get away with killing your child there.

in the baby Lisa case there is no point in making an arrest without enough solid evidence to take to trial and win a conviction.

I was referring to the crowd of people that stayed outside the anthony home for weeks. Wish they would do that to the irwin home. Florida is where all the crazy people live. always wanted to live there till i started reading their news everyday.

hahahahaha try being a cop there! something new and wonderful every day or night.

actually that crowd of loonies outside all the time was very tough on the poor neighbors. but it was fun watching the george and cindy show. i was surprised they weren't all arrested for gathering w/o a permit.

[sharit]

Sharit: Bet she is glad she does not live in Orlando Florida.


even with a shitload of evidence you can get away with killing your child there.

in the baby Lisa case there is no point in making an arrest without enough solid evidence to take to trial and win a conviction.

I was referring to the crowd of people that stayed outside the anthony home for weeks. Wish they would do that to the irwin home. Florida is where all the crazy people live. always wanted to live there till i started reading their news everyday.

hahahahaha try being a cop there! something new and wonderful every day or night.

actually that crowd of loonies outside all the time was very tough on the poor neighbors. but it was fun watching the george and cindy show. i was surprised they weren't all arrested for gathering w/o a permit.

No thanks LC. I want to go to work and come home alive at the end of the day. LE are under paid.

[aussiefriend]

I see this BS is still ongoing. that fat mother needs to give it up. We are onto her and if she aint fooling me she aint fooling law enforcement. I would be so fucked up if anything happened to any of the little ones in my family. Not just my own. So they don't give a shit.