06-04-2009, 04:04 PM
There is a person I talk to sometimes from Pakistan.
At one point (probably around a year ago, he realized that I'm not a 'Christian'. He seemed shocked by that information and has been trying to 'convert' me ever since. I had him on ignore for a while, but after reinstalling my o/s and converting to Pidgin to handle my chat programs, I guess that setting was lost.
These conversations are a result of that. I find them amusing, so I thought you folks might enjoy them too.
His english isn't that great.
(this is long)
Round One
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(1:02:03 PM) khuramaries: hello
(1:02:07 PM) SyberBitch70: hi
(1:02:35 PM) khuramaries: Thanks God u replied
(1:02:51 PM) SyberBitch70: why, what's up?
(1:03:33 PM) khuramaries: I sent many messages for atleast 2 or month but u did not reply
(1:03:55 PM) khuramaries: I was thisning that u were angry me?
(1:03:56 PM) SyberBitch70: ok... well I must have been busy
(1:04:18 PM) khuramaries: o i c
(1:04:30 PM) khuramaries: how is ur kid doing
(1:04:43 PM) SyberBitch70: he's good
(1:05:06 PM) khuramaries: Thanks God
(1:05:15 PM) khuramaries: r u still separated?
(1:06:04 PM) khuramaries: from ur husband
(1:06:45 PM) SyberBitch70: yes I am
(1:06:51 PM) khuramaries: ?
(1:07:42 PM) khuramaries: if u dont mind
(1:08:08 PM) khuramaries: I told u something about God, have u thought about it?
(1:08:41 PM) SyberBitch70: I do mind... I don't like you trying to push your ideology down my throat every time I talk to you
(1:09:29 PM) khuramaries: oh I am so sorry, But I am not pushing my ideology
(1:10:08 PM) khuramaries: All I am shoing my how much I love u and want u to be saved
(1:10:25 PM) SyberBitch70: I don't need to be 'saved'. I'm just fine the way I am.
(1:11:12 PM) khuramaries: Yeah u r fine because God loves u and He is taking care of u, Thanks God
(1:11:31 PM) SyberBitch70: ok... then I don't need to be saved
(1:12:16 PM) khuramaries: A God is love and "JUST" He will do justice
(1:12:30 PM) khuramaries: He will ask you I loved u much how much u loved me?
(1:13:07 PM) SyberBitch70: no, God won't ask me anything. Only people like you will ask me.
(1:14:17 PM) khuramaries: Dear God will
(1:14:38 PM) khuramaries: because
(1:15:09 PM) khuramaries: He Creates and destroys, He Made Good and Evil
(1:15:21 PM) khuramaries: and gave us full freeedom to chose the way
(1:16:08 PM) SyberBitch70: ok look... you're a fanatic and I don't waste time talking to fanatics about their religion. I don't agree with you and that is that. If there is a God out there (and I don't need your assurance that there is), it is powerful enough not to need little humans running around waving flags for their particular variety of belief. By the way, are you still involved with Scientology?
(1:16:09 PM) khuramaries: If u study savation according to "psychology"
(1:16:43 PM) khuramaries: yeah I am
(1:16:58 PM) SyberBitch70: you do realize that Scientology teaches that there IS no God, right?
(1:17:53 PM) khuramaries: Scientology teaches there is God but dont gives its attributes
(1:18:12 PM) SyberBitch70: L Ron Hubbard has said, in lectures "There Is No God"
(1:18:36 PM) khuramaries: And I believe God belssed L.Ron Hubbard with and intellgent mind
(1:18:53 PM) khuramaries: just read Dianetics
(1:19:03 PM) SyberBitch70: I have read Dianetics
(1:19:18 PM) SyberBitch70: Hubbard was an atheist
(1:19:37 PM) khuramaries: in first 20 or 30 pages u will read or I can tell u the exact page
(1:20:01 PM) khuramaries: Scientolty talks about supreme being
(1:20:20 PM) khuramaries: but it says we dont know about supreme being
(1:20:52 PM) khuramaries: God has belessed every human with wvery quality
(1:21:44 PM) khuramaries: even many of the teaching of the bible confirmed by L.Ron Hubbard
(1:21:47 PM) SyberBitch70: and later, Hubbard says that Christianity is a mockup and God is just an implant
(1:22:47 PM) SyberBitch70: he specifically said that the whole 'Jesus' thing was just a mockup
(1:22:52 PM) khuramaries: its talks about the behaviour of people
(1:23:21 PM) khuramaries: He writes about the belivers who turned into atheist
(1:23:22 PM) SyberBitch70: why yes, it DOES talk about the behavior of people, but it also, later, explains that religion is false.
(1:23:36 PM) khuramaries: I have read that
(1:24:16 PM) SyberBitch70: bottom line, you cannot be a true scientologist and a Christian
(1:24:45 PM) khuramaries: if u want to learnt the authenticty of bible with the help of Science, History I can give u websites
(1:24:57 PM) SyberBitch70: lmao
(1:25:05 PM) SyberBitch70: do you think I am ignorant??
(1:25:12 PM) khuramaries: yeah because Bible says "Hld fast which is good"
(1:25:28 PM) khuramaries: "Hold fast which is Good"
(1:25:57 PM) SyberBitch70: the bible is full of stuff that is scientifically impossible
(1:26:05 PM) khuramaries: I think you have more knowledge than me
(1:26:32 PM) khuramaries: yeah do u know why?
(1:26:53 PM) SyberBitch70: yes... because they're not true
(1:27:21 PM) khuramaries: becasue there is no device whihc can prove faith
(1:28:07 PM) khuramaries: there are many scientific fcts in the bible which proves bible is true
(1:28:38 PM) khuramaries: but not all the bible can be poven with sceince
(1:28:55 PM) khuramaries: because is rook of every
(1:29:03 PM) SyberBitch70: no, simply because SOME parts of the bible may be historically true, that does not prove that all of it is true
(1:29:04 PM) khuramaries: knowledge
(1:29:31 PM) SyberBitch70: but look, I'm not going to argue with you about it
(1:30:05 PM) khuramaries: God is Scientist, He is Pliosopher,Pschologist and He is te root of every thing
(1:30:31 PM) SyberBitch70: there are only two possible outcomes of this conversation with you. Either a) I finally prove to you that you are incorrect, b) I realize that you are so brainwashed that there is no point in talking to you and I put you on ignore
(1:31:04 PM) SyberBitch70: You feel that you are trying to do me a favor, but you are not
(1:31:30 PM) khuramaries: you gave an inntelletual statement
(1:31:39 PM) SyberBitch70: and?
(1:32:20 PM) khuramaries: but all ur intelligence lack love
(1:32:37 PM) khuramaries: I only love u as Jesus set example
(1:32:46 PM) SyberBitch70: no you don't
(1:32:58 PM) SyberBitch70: Jesus did not go around trying to convert people
(1:33:14 PM) SyberBitch70: Jesus let people come to him.
(1:33:27 PM) khuramaries: I am not converting u dear
(1:33:45 PM) khuramaries: I am very sinful person in myself:(
(1:34:40 PM) SyberBitch70: my intelligence does not lack 'love', I have compassion for you. In fact, one reason I do not wish to continue this conversation is because I don't feel that I have the right to try and destroy your faith, which is really the only option you give me when you try to corner me about your beliefs.
(1:36:24 PM) khuramaries: U hae full right to destroy me even phusically
(1:36:25 PM) khuramaries: physically*
(1:36:48 PM) SyberBitch70: no I don't
(1:37:21 PM) khuramaries: and I was like you 2 years back and did not beleive God
(1:37:36 PM) SyberBitch70: and now you think that you have 'seen the light'
(1:37:43 PM) khuramaries: If u hate me I will love u more
(1:37:46 PM) khuramaries: not the light
(1:37:50 PM) SyberBitch70: well, I was once where YOU are
(1:38:05 PM) khuramaries: and what happened then>
(1:38:12 PM) SyberBitch70: I grew up
(1:38:18 PM) khuramaries: and?
(1:38:48 PM) SyberBitch70: and I realized that there are no true religions. Though I won't go into why.
(1:39:09 PM) khuramaries: I had same thinking
(1:39:36 PM) khuramaries: u know I used to find contradictions in the bible and I fund may
(1:39:46 PM) khuramaries: lol
(1:40:16 PM) khuramaries: but it was my fault because in Bible it appears that there are contradictions but actually not
(1:41:22 PM) khuramaries: if u have some allegation on bible just tell me and I thing with the heldp of God I will give u answers
(1:42:15 PM) SyberBitch70: Ok, how can both the Bible and the Koran be true?
(1:43:11 PM) khuramaries: interesting question
(1:43:42 PM) khuramaries: do u believe God made Good and Evil?
(1:44:00 PM) SyberBitch70: no
(1:54:15 PM) SyberBitch70: um, are you still there?
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Round Two
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(11:13:59 AM) khuramaries: hi
(11:14:14 AM) SyberBitch70: hello
(11:14:52 AM) khuramaries: how r u?
(11:15:01 AM) SyberBitch70: I'm doing ok
(11:15:08 AM) khuramaries: r u free?
(11:15:16 AM) SyberBitch70: sort of
(11:18:16 AM) khuramaries: I have my friend with me
(11:18:24 AM) SyberBitch70: ok
(11:18:42 AM) khuramaries: He wants to share his ideas about God with u
(11:18:48 AM) SyberBitch70: ...
(11:19:04 AM) khuramaries: ?
(11:19:26 AM) SyberBitch70: you never answered my question
(11:19:39 AM) khuramaries: yeah I accept this
(11:19:55 AM) khuramaries: I will answer
(11:20:10 AM) khuramaries: But I will answer ur question with facts
(11:20:23 AM) khuramaries: but not right now
(11:20:39 AM) SyberBitch70: hrm
(11:21:01 AM) SyberBitch70: so you brought 'backup', eh?
(11:21:12 AM) khuramaries: lol
(11:21:17 AM) khuramaries: no backup
(11:21:21 AM) khuramaries: dear
(11:21:27 AM) SyberBitch70: yes darling?
(11:22:26 AM) khuramaries: My friend is a seminarian and he will be future Roman Catholic Priest
(11:22:38 AM) SyberBitch70: Catholic even
(11:22:51 AM) SyberBitch70: figure I need a demon excised?
(11:22:59 AM) khuramaries: ?
(11:23:21 AM) SyberBitch70: that is a joke
(11:23:28 AM) SyberBitch70: your friend should get it
(11:23:29 AM) khuramaries: oh ok
(11:24:04 AM) khuramaries: any way
(11:24:53 AM) khuramaries: I shared the conversation we had and he just wants to share his ideas if u wish
(11:25:10 AM) SyberBitch70: I don't care...
(11:25:16 AM) khuramaries: ok
(11:26:05 AM) khuramaries: but I care
(11:26:28 AM) SyberBitch70: yes I know... you've decided to make me your little pet project apparently
(11:27:24 AM) SyberBitch70: is your friend fluent in english?
(11:27:57 AM) khuramaries: yeah he is?
(11:28:02 AM) SyberBitch70: ok
(11:28:16 AM) khuramaries: he has much better english than me
(11:28:46 AM) SyberBitch70: ok, well let him tell me what he wants to say. I have maybe half an hour
(11:29:05 AM) khuramaries: ok
(11:29:36 AM) khuramaries: what ever u thin about me but my God knows what I have in my heart
(11:30:18 AM) khuramaries: any way chat with my friend
(11:30:25 AM) SyberBitch70: ok...
(11:30:41 AM) khuramaries: How do u do
(11:30:47 AM) SyberBitch70: I'm ok
(11:30:48 AM) khuramaries: I am Sajjad
(11:30:56 AM) khuramaries: your name?
(11:31:01 AM) SyberBitch70: Seby
(11:31:13 AM) khuramaries: nice name
(11:31:20 AM) SyberBitch70: It'll do
(11:31:40 AM) khuramaries: ?
(11:32:38 AM) khuramaries: I will chatting to you but it does mean that I am doing bit for the sake of conversion
(11:33:02 AM) SyberBitch70: go ahead...
(11:34:53 AM) khuramaries: God really esixts if u look at the things or universe the system is not running by it self there is some one who is moveing the every thing
(11:35:11 AM) khuramaries: *moving
(11:35:36 AM) SyberBitch70: if you say so
(11:35:42 AM) khuramaries: yeah
(11:35:56 AM) SyberBitch70: what's true for you is true for you
(11:37:25 AM) khuramaries: when somebody shares something it is not to impress the other person but its just an opnion , itsupto u wheter u accept or not
(11:37:58 AM) SyberBitch70: ok
(11:38:58 AM) khuramaries: Khuram just shared the views and ideas which u have in ur mind
(11:39:35 AM) SyberBitch70: ok
(11:42:19 AM) khuramaries: Jesus said "No disciple can be greater than his master". Jesus was persecuted but He did not stop loving even his enemies, He prayed for those who crucified Him.
(11:44:54 AM) khuramaries: and I am disciple of Christ so I respect whatever you think
(11:45:04 AM) SyberBitch70: ok
(11:46:04 AM) khuramaries: I am not fundamentalist and not even brain washed
(11:46:35 AM) SyberBitch70: I'm not a disciple of christ, but I respect what YOU think. It doesn't mean that I agree with it, but I respect your right to believe what you believe
(11:47:19 AM) khuramaries: thanks for ur time
(11:47:42 AM) khuramaries: I have an urgent piece of work
(11:48:11 AM) khuramaries: and if u wish we can proceed on this topic some other day?
(11:48:31 AM) SyberBitch70: ok, I have to leave in about 15 minutes
(11:48:43 AM) khuramaries: ok have a nice time
(11:48:48 AM) SyberBitch70: ok thanks
(11:49:17 AM) khuramaries: hloo
(11:49:34 AM) khuramaries: I am khuram
(11:49:38 AM) SyberBitch70: ok
(11:50:13 AM) khuramaries: Seby one thing I am sure about Koran
(11:50:41 AM) khuramaries: Bible gives us clear way to Salvation
(11:51:05 AM) khuramaries: but Salvation does not exists in the Koran
(11:51:14 AM) SyberBitch70: sure it does
(11:51:54 AM) SyberBitch70: it's just not the same definition as the one in the bible
(11:52:06 AM) khuramaries: ?
(11:52:51 AM) SyberBitch70: the bible talks about getting to heaven, the koran talks about going to paradise... both 'salvation' so to speak
(11:53:03 AM) khuramaries: no no
(11:53:46 AM) khuramaries: Koran says on the day of judgement ur good and bad deeds will be weiged
(11:54:24 AM) khuramaries: and if u have more weight of good deeds u will go to heaven other wise in hell
(11:55:33 AM) SyberBitch70: so how does that make less sense than the idea that once you are 'saved', you'll go to 'heaven' whether your good deeds outweigh your bad or not?
(connection lost on his side... or something)
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Round Three
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(11:49:47 AM) khuramaries: hi
(11:49:54 AM) SyberBitch70: hello
(11:50:18 AM) khuramaries: I hope u r doing fine
(11:50:38 AM) SyberBitch70: yeah I'm doing fine
(11:50:50 AM) khuramaries: sorry yesterday I was dc
(11:51:00 AM) khuramaries: did u get my msgs?
(11:51:03 AM) SyberBitch70: I doubt it
(11:51:29 AM) khuramaries: yeah u have ur right
(11:51:49 AM) SyberBitch70: my right?
(11:52:14 AM) khuramaries: yeah u have right to doubt
(11:53:00 AM) SyberBitch70: um... what I meant was that I probably did not get your messages
(11:53:17 AM) khuramaries: oh sorry
(11:53:33 AM) khuramaries: actually my english is not very good:(
(11:53:56 AM) SyberBitch70: I know, it makes it hard to talk about complicated subjects
(11:54:09 AM) khuramaries: yeah :(
(11:54:25 AM) SyberBitch70: This is the last thing I got yesterday: (11:54:24 AM) khuramaries: and if u have more weight of good deeds u will go to heaven other wise in hell
(11:55:33 AM) SyberBitch70: so how does that make less sense than the idea that once you are 'saved', you'll go to 'heaven' whether your good deeds outweigh your bad or not?
(11:54:51 AM) khuramaries: yeah
(11:55:30 AM) khuramaries: ur question is very good
(11:55:40 AM) SyberBitch70: that means you don't know the answer
(11:55:41 AM) SyberBitch70: lol
(11:55:58 AM) khuramaries: it seems that u r a honest skeptic
(11:56:30 AM) khuramaries: I am nothing Seby but I trust God He sill help me to anser ur question
(11:56:45 AM) SyberBitch70: ok, then what is the answer?
(11:57:27 AM) khuramaries: Bible teaches us that "Wages of sin is death"
(11:57:35 AM) SyberBitch70: we all die
(11:57:44 AM) SyberBitch70: whether we 'sin' or not
(11:58:03 AM) SyberBitch70: the good among us die just as surely as the bad
(11:58:11 AM) khuramaries: let me try to explain this verse
(11:58:16 AM) khuramaries: for example
(11:59:22 AM) khuramaries: if u drink u can be the victim of stomach disease or u commit adultery u can be put into jail or can be infected by AIDS
(11:59:45 AM) khuramaries: it has vast meanings these are fwe examples
(11:59:56 AM) SyberBitch70: so can completely innocent people be affected by those issues
(12:00:12 PM) khuramaries: for example?
(12:00:40 PM) SyberBitch70: completely innocent people can get AIDS or stomach disease. Small innocent children die of cancer every day.
(12:00:52 PM) khuramaries: yeah
(12:01:08 PM) khuramaries: there is always a reason behind every thing
(12:01:26 PM) khuramaries: somes reason we can see some we dont
(12:01:29 PM) SyberBitch70: so people say
(12:01:47 PM) SyberBitch70: I think that's just a rationalization to make unfortunate people feel better
(12:02:04 PM) khuramaries: please explain?
(12:02:25 PM) SyberBitch70: what do you not understand?
(12:02:39 PM) khuramaries: I think that's just a rationalization to make unfortunate people feel better
(12:02:39 PM) khuramaries: ?
(12:02:50 PM) SyberBitch70: ok, but what part of that do you not understand
(12:03:42 PM) khuramaries: r u saying "that unfortunate people r being given pschological cal"?
(12:03:47 PM) khuramaries: calm*
(12:03:53 PM) SyberBitch70: yes, basically
(12:04:18 PM) khuramaries: yeah
(12:04:36 PM) khuramaries: Seby u r right
(12:04:39 PM) SyberBitch70: telling someone that their baby is dying from cancer because there is some greater meaning they cannot understand, is bullshit
(12:04:40 PM) khuramaries: praise te Lord
(12:05:11 PM) khuramaries: one apsect u can understand
(12:05:41 PM) khuramaries: but if u get in connection with God He wil give u more understanding
(12:05:56 PM) SyberBitch70: that's double speak
(12:06:15 PM) SyberBitch70: you cannot just say 'you don't understand because you are not closer to God'
(12:06:32 PM) khuramaries: it seems becaue u r talking only wih ur intelligence and experience
(12:06:52 PM) SyberBitch70: you claim that you are closer to God than I am, so then YOU should know the answers
(12:07:00 PM) SyberBitch70: and yet, you cannot give them to me
(12:07:12 PM) khuramaries: When I said that I am closer than u?
(12:07:37 PM) SyberBitch70: it seems that you believe you are, because you are trying to convince me to become closer to God
(12:07:53 PM) khuramaries: I only said I am sinner, I am nothing
(12:08:07 PM) khuramaries: by heart
(12:08:30 PM) SyberBitch70: have you ever considered that maybe God is annoyed with all of these false religions, including Christianity, and that perhaps (he) is trying to get YOU to think more for yourself?
(12:09:08 PM) SyberBitch70: Perhaps you were not brought to me to SAVE me, perhaps you were brought to me to LEARN from me
(12:09:09 PM) khuramaries: yeah I thought abut this
(12:10:05 PM) khuramaries: I am thankful to God that He has provided me chance for this discussion
(12:10:20 PM) khuramaries: yeah I confess this that u make me learn a lot of things
(12:10:21 PM) SyberBitch70: but... see what I mean about me not wanting to strip your beliefs from you? You have the right to believe in whatever makes you feel fulfilled
(12:10:48 PM) SyberBitch70: there are very few things you could say or do that would suddenly cause me to become 'religious'
(12:11:14 PM) khuramaries: yeah?
(12:12:09 PM) SyberBitch70: I suppose I have my own beliefs, but they have very little to do with any organized religion
(12:12:51 PM) khuramaries: woul u like to share ur beliefs if u dont mind?
(12:14:58 PM) khuramaries: r u busy?
(12:15:43 PM) SyberBitch70: Well, I reserve judgement on whether or not there is a sentient 'higher power' out there. I sometimes think there might be, but if so, it is too vast to be locked into some little religious box. If there is a 'God' (for lack of a better word), it doesn't care whether or not you follow a particular line of faith. There is no reason to believe that any being as vast as a 'God' would be so petty as to be upset if you did not believe in it
(12:16:20 PM) SyberBitch70: or to punish you for not following some shallow rules that humans made up and put into religious scripture for their own benefits
(12:17:49 PM) khuramaries: ok I respect what ever u believe
(12:18:07 PM) SyberBitch70: Something that vast would only BE there, possibly by following a conscientious path and not deliberately being a selfish and hurtful person, by caring more about larger dynamics than yourself and trying to do 'good' instead of harming the earth and others, you might be more in line with this vastness
(12:18:24 PM) SyberBitch70: but if you did not, it would not 'punish' you for doing so
(12:18:32 PM) khuramaries: ok
(12:19:11 PM) SyberBitch70: do you acknowledge, that if there is a 'God', it is AT LEAST as intelligent as the smartest humans on this planet?
(12:19:36 PM) khuramaries: well
(12:19:43 PM) SyberBitch70: or let me rephrase that... at least as WISE as the wisest humans
(12:20:04 PM) khuramaries: if u give me permission i wil pray and analyze ur beliefs and we can discuss
(12:20:16 PM) SyberBitch70: because the wisest humans on the planet, know enough NOT to be petty
(12:20:34 PM) SyberBitch70: and the 'bible', portrays God as being very petty
(12:20:53 PM) SyberBitch70: I believe it even says somewhere "God is a Jealous God"
(12:21:04 PM) khuramaries: yeah
(12:21:09 PM) SyberBitch70: now, how could a being THAT wise and omnipotent be JEALOUS?!?!
(12:21:15 PM) SyberBitch70: seriously
(12:21:36 PM) SyberBitch70: and what would it have to be jealous of? Are there other gods it's competing with? That makes no sense
(12:22:13 PM) khuramaries: ok
(12:22:34 PM) SyberBitch70: If you and a woman were the last people on earth, would you be 'jealous' of her thinking of other men?
(12:22:38 PM) khuramaries: I aksed some thing?
(12:23:03 PM) SyberBitch70: why would I care whether or not you pray and study on the issues? Of course you can.
(12:23:24 PM) SyberBitch70: However, I can tell you this little piece of information
(12:23:32 PM) khuramaries: I am askking for the permission to discuss ur belief?
(12:23:58 PM) SyberBitch70: When you start taking all of this to other believers and asking them about it... they will eventually give you one answer. They will tell you to stop talking to me
(12:24:04 PM) SyberBitch70: sure, I can discuss them
(12:24:16 PM) khuramaries: thanks
(12:25:09 PM) khuramaries: let us take a break
(12:25:12 PM) SyberBitch70: Because the bottom line is this. Religious beliefs, examined too closely, fall apart and the ONLY fallback the believers have, is to say 'have faith' or 'it's a mystery of God', something along those lines. In other words, they HAVE no answer that makes sense
(12:25:45 PM) SyberBitch70: as I said... talking to me is dangerous
(12:25:54 PM) khuramaries: would u like to tell me about ur self
(12:26:01 PM) SyberBitch70: like what?
(12:26:25 PM) khuramaries: like ur hobbies, about ur baby etc
(12:27:12 PM) SyberBitch70: hmmm... my hobbies. I work on computers, I'm learning poi (not the food, you can look it up), I do middle eastern dance
(12:27:42 PM) khuramaries: belly dance:-?
(12:27:48 PM) SyberBitch70: yes
(12:27:58 PM) SyberBitch70: it's a lot of fun
(12:28:05 PM) khuramaries: oh yeah
(12:28:27 PM) khuramaries: I also like dance but not vugur dance
(12:28:34 PM) khuramaries: vulgur*
(12:28:40 PM) SyberBitch70: this is not vulgur dance
(12:28:50 PM) khuramaries: yeah I knwo this
(12:28:56 PM) SyberBitch70: you should
(12:29:08 PM) SyberBitch70: since you live in a middle eastern country
(12:29:42 PM) khuramaries: I love music
(12:29:44 PM) SyberBitch70: It is seductive, but never vulgar...
(12:30:20 PM) khuramaries: yeah
(12:30:46 PM) khuramaries: we have a famous classical dance here call "Kathak dance"
(12:30:59 PM) SyberBitch70: I'll have to look that up
(12:31:07 PM) SyberBitch70: did you say you are in India?
(12:31:51 PM) khuramaries: no I am in Pakistan
(12:32:04 PM) SyberBitch70: oh I'm sorry my mistake
(12:32:09 PM) khuramaries: actually its classical dance of India
(12:32:23 PM) SyberBitch70: I'm watching kathak dance now
(12:33:20 PM) SyberBitch70: it's similar to bellydance in some ways. She is using hand mudrahs of course
(12:33:55 PM) khuramaries: its very diffcult dance to perform
(12:34:14 PM) SyberBitch70: any dance is difficult if done correctly
(12:35:16 PM) khuramaries: yeah but this classical dance require ur 110% attention
(12:35:27 PM) khuramaries: like indian classical music
(12:35:47 PM) SyberBitch70: I just went to an Indian music concert last Friday with my little boy
(12:35:59 PM) khuramaries: really
(12:36:00 PM) SyberBitch70: they were playing a sitar and tablah
(12:36:23 PM) khuramaries: yeah sitar is a beautiful intrument I
(12:36:36 PM) SyberBitch70: but yes, as I said, ANY performance art is very difficult if done correctly
(12:36:55 PM) khuramaries: yeah u r right
(12:37:02 PM) khuramaries: r u really an american
(12:37:07 PM) SyberBitch70: um yes
(12:37:23 PM) SyberBitch70: why would you ask that?
(12:37:31 PM) khuramaries: I am in doubt now:-/
(12:37:37 PM) SyberBitch70: hah why?
(12:37:54 PM) khuramaries: because or ur interests
(12:37:57 PM) khuramaries: lol
(12:38:15 PM) SyberBitch70: I have mulitcultural interests... that is not so uncommon in America
(12:38:33 PM) SyberBitch70: I detest typical American sports
(12:38:35 PM) khuramaries: that is good
(12:39:48 PM) SyberBitch70: but yes, I do sometimes eat hotdogs and hamburgers 8-| though I used to be a vegetarian
(12:40:17 PM) SyberBitch70: I don't even know what 'stereotypes' there would be for people in Pakistan
(12:40:35 PM) khuramaries: I don't even know what 'stereotypes' there would be for people in Pakistan?
(12:40:49 PM) khuramaries: explain it u know I have not very good english?
(12:41:00 PM) SyberBitch70: you were thinking that I may not be American because I do not fit the stereotypes
(12:41:09 PM) SyberBitch70: do you understand the word stereotype?
(12:41:17 PM) khuramaries: no :(
(12:41:47 PM) SyberBitch70: ok, a stereotype is an idea that people generally have about how a certain group of people usually are
(12:42:07 PM) khuramaries: o ok
(12:42:12 PM) SyberBitch70: one stereotype is that all black people are good at basketball
(12:42:21 PM) khuramaries: oh ic
(12:42:27 PM) khuramaries: now I can understand
(12:42:29 PM) khuramaries: lol
(12:42:53 PM) khuramaries: wait a minute Seby my little sister needs my assisance
(12:42:58 PM) SyberBitch70: ok
(12:43:06 PM) khuramaries: she is have pain in her ankle
(12:43:15 PM) SyberBitch70: I have to go feed my son
(12:43:46 PM) khuramaries: ok
At one point (probably around a year ago, he realized that I'm not a 'Christian'. He seemed shocked by that information and has been trying to 'convert' me ever since. I had him on ignore for a while, but after reinstalling my o/s and converting to Pidgin to handle my chat programs, I guess that setting was lost.
These conversations are a result of that. I find them amusing, so I thought you folks might enjoy them too.
His english isn't that great.(this is long)
Round One
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(1:02:03 PM) khuramaries: hello
(1:02:07 PM) SyberBitch70: hi
(1:02:35 PM) khuramaries: Thanks God u replied
(1:02:51 PM) SyberBitch70: why, what's up?
(1:03:33 PM) khuramaries: I sent many messages for atleast 2 or month but u did not reply
(1:03:55 PM) khuramaries: I was thisning that u were angry me?
(1:03:56 PM) SyberBitch70: ok... well I must have been busy
(1:04:18 PM) khuramaries: o i c
(1:04:30 PM) khuramaries: how is ur kid doing
(1:04:43 PM) SyberBitch70: he's good
(1:05:06 PM) khuramaries: Thanks God
(1:05:15 PM) khuramaries: r u still separated?
(1:06:04 PM) khuramaries: from ur husband
(1:06:45 PM) SyberBitch70: yes I am
(1:06:51 PM) khuramaries: ?
(1:07:42 PM) khuramaries: if u dont mind
(1:08:08 PM) khuramaries: I told u something about God, have u thought about it?
(1:08:41 PM) SyberBitch70: I do mind... I don't like you trying to push your ideology down my throat every time I talk to you
(1:09:29 PM) khuramaries: oh I am so sorry, But I am not pushing my ideology
(1:10:08 PM) khuramaries: All I am shoing my how much I love u and want u to be saved
(1:10:25 PM) SyberBitch70: I don't need to be 'saved'. I'm just fine the way I am.
(1:11:12 PM) khuramaries: Yeah u r fine because God loves u and He is taking care of u, Thanks God
(1:11:31 PM) SyberBitch70: ok... then I don't need to be saved
(1:12:16 PM) khuramaries: A God is love and "JUST" He will do justice
(1:12:30 PM) khuramaries: He will ask you I loved u much how much u loved me?
(1:13:07 PM) SyberBitch70: no, God won't ask me anything. Only people like you will ask me.
(1:14:17 PM) khuramaries: Dear God will
(1:14:38 PM) khuramaries: because
(1:15:09 PM) khuramaries: He Creates and destroys, He Made Good and Evil
(1:15:21 PM) khuramaries: and gave us full freeedom to chose the way
(1:16:08 PM) SyberBitch70: ok look... you're a fanatic and I don't waste time talking to fanatics about their religion. I don't agree with you and that is that. If there is a God out there (and I don't need your assurance that there is), it is powerful enough not to need little humans running around waving flags for their particular variety of belief. By the way, are you still involved with Scientology?
(1:16:09 PM) khuramaries: If u study savation according to "psychology"
(1:16:43 PM) khuramaries: yeah I am
(1:16:58 PM) SyberBitch70: you do realize that Scientology teaches that there IS no God, right?
(1:17:53 PM) khuramaries: Scientology teaches there is God but dont gives its attributes
(1:18:12 PM) SyberBitch70: L Ron Hubbard has said, in lectures "There Is No God"
(1:18:36 PM) khuramaries: And I believe God belssed L.Ron Hubbard with and intellgent mind
(1:18:53 PM) khuramaries: just read Dianetics
(1:19:03 PM) SyberBitch70: I have read Dianetics
(1:19:18 PM) SyberBitch70: Hubbard was an atheist
(1:19:37 PM) khuramaries: in first 20 or 30 pages u will read or I can tell u the exact page
(1:20:01 PM) khuramaries: Scientolty talks about supreme being
(1:20:20 PM) khuramaries: but it says we dont know about supreme being
(1:20:52 PM) khuramaries: God has belessed every human with wvery quality
(1:21:44 PM) khuramaries: even many of the teaching of the bible confirmed by L.Ron Hubbard
(1:21:47 PM) SyberBitch70: and later, Hubbard says that Christianity is a mockup and God is just an implant
(1:22:47 PM) SyberBitch70: he specifically said that the whole 'Jesus' thing was just a mockup
(1:22:52 PM) khuramaries: its talks about the behaviour of people
(1:23:21 PM) khuramaries: He writes about the belivers who turned into atheist
(1:23:22 PM) SyberBitch70: why yes, it DOES talk about the behavior of people, but it also, later, explains that religion is false.
(1:23:36 PM) khuramaries: I have read that
(1:24:16 PM) SyberBitch70: bottom line, you cannot be a true scientologist and a Christian
(1:24:45 PM) khuramaries: if u want to learnt the authenticty of bible with the help of Science, History I can give u websites
(1:24:57 PM) SyberBitch70: lmao
(1:25:05 PM) SyberBitch70: do you think I am ignorant??
(1:25:12 PM) khuramaries: yeah because Bible says "Hld fast which is good"
(1:25:28 PM) khuramaries: "Hold fast which is Good"
(1:25:57 PM) SyberBitch70: the bible is full of stuff that is scientifically impossible
(1:26:05 PM) khuramaries: I think you have more knowledge than me
(1:26:32 PM) khuramaries: yeah do u know why?
(1:26:53 PM) SyberBitch70: yes... because they're not true
(1:27:21 PM) khuramaries: becasue there is no device whihc can prove faith
(1:28:07 PM) khuramaries: there are many scientific fcts in the bible which proves bible is true
(1:28:38 PM) khuramaries: but not all the bible can be poven with sceince
(1:28:55 PM) khuramaries: because is rook of every
(1:29:03 PM) SyberBitch70: no, simply because SOME parts of the bible may be historically true, that does not prove that all of it is true
(1:29:04 PM) khuramaries: knowledge
(1:29:31 PM) SyberBitch70: but look, I'm not going to argue with you about it
(1:30:05 PM) khuramaries: God is Scientist, He is Pliosopher,Pschologist and He is te root of every thing
(1:30:31 PM) SyberBitch70: there are only two possible outcomes of this conversation with you. Either a) I finally prove to you that you are incorrect, b) I realize that you are so brainwashed that there is no point in talking to you and I put you on ignore
(1:31:04 PM) SyberBitch70: You feel that you are trying to do me a favor, but you are not
(1:31:30 PM) khuramaries: you gave an inntelletual statement
(1:31:39 PM) SyberBitch70: and?
(1:32:20 PM) khuramaries: but all ur intelligence lack love
(1:32:37 PM) khuramaries: I only love u as Jesus set example
(1:32:46 PM) SyberBitch70: no you don't
(1:32:58 PM) SyberBitch70: Jesus did not go around trying to convert people
(1:33:14 PM) SyberBitch70: Jesus let people come to him.
(1:33:27 PM) khuramaries: I am not converting u dear
(1:33:45 PM) khuramaries: I am very sinful person in myself:(
(1:34:40 PM) SyberBitch70: my intelligence does not lack 'love', I have compassion for you. In fact, one reason I do not wish to continue this conversation is because I don't feel that I have the right to try and destroy your faith, which is really the only option you give me when you try to corner me about your beliefs.
(1:36:24 PM) khuramaries: U hae full right to destroy me even phusically
(1:36:25 PM) khuramaries: physically*
(1:36:48 PM) SyberBitch70: no I don't
(1:37:21 PM) khuramaries: and I was like you 2 years back and did not beleive God
(1:37:36 PM) SyberBitch70: and now you think that you have 'seen the light'
(1:37:43 PM) khuramaries: If u hate me I will love u more
(1:37:46 PM) khuramaries: not the light
(1:37:50 PM) SyberBitch70: well, I was once where YOU are
(1:38:05 PM) khuramaries: and what happened then>
(1:38:12 PM) SyberBitch70: I grew up
(1:38:18 PM) khuramaries: and?
(1:38:48 PM) SyberBitch70: and I realized that there are no true religions. Though I won't go into why.
(1:39:09 PM) khuramaries: I had same thinking
(1:39:36 PM) khuramaries: u know I used to find contradictions in the bible and I fund may
(1:39:46 PM) khuramaries: lol
(1:40:16 PM) khuramaries: but it was my fault because in Bible it appears that there are contradictions but actually not
(1:41:22 PM) khuramaries: if u have some allegation on bible just tell me and I thing with the heldp of God I will give u answers
(1:42:15 PM) SyberBitch70: Ok, how can both the Bible and the Koran be true?
(1:43:11 PM) khuramaries: interesting question
(1:43:42 PM) khuramaries: do u believe God made Good and Evil?
(1:44:00 PM) SyberBitch70: no
(1:54:15 PM) SyberBitch70: um, are you still there?
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Round Two
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(11:13:59 AM) khuramaries: hi
(11:14:14 AM) SyberBitch70: hello
(11:14:52 AM) khuramaries: how r u?
(11:15:01 AM) SyberBitch70: I'm doing ok
(11:15:08 AM) khuramaries: r u free?
(11:15:16 AM) SyberBitch70: sort of
(11:18:16 AM) khuramaries: I have my friend with me
(11:18:24 AM) SyberBitch70: ok
(11:18:42 AM) khuramaries: He wants to share his ideas about God with u
(11:18:48 AM) SyberBitch70: ...
(11:19:04 AM) khuramaries: ?
(11:19:26 AM) SyberBitch70: you never answered my question
(11:19:39 AM) khuramaries: yeah I accept this
(11:19:55 AM) khuramaries: I will answer
(11:20:10 AM) khuramaries: But I will answer ur question with facts
(11:20:23 AM) khuramaries: but not right now
(11:20:39 AM) SyberBitch70: hrm
(11:21:01 AM) SyberBitch70: so you brought 'backup', eh?
(11:21:12 AM) khuramaries: lol
(11:21:17 AM) khuramaries: no backup
(11:21:21 AM) khuramaries: dear
(11:21:27 AM) SyberBitch70: yes darling?
(11:22:26 AM) khuramaries: My friend is a seminarian and he will be future Roman Catholic Priest
(11:22:38 AM) SyberBitch70: Catholic even
(11:22:51 AM) SyberBitch70: figure I need a demon excised?
(11:22:59 AM) khuramaries: ?
(11:23:21 AM) SyberBitch70: that is a joke
(11:23:28 AM) SyberBitch70: your friend should get it
(11:23:29 AM) khuramaries: oh ok
(11:24:04 AM) khuramaries: any way
(11:24:53 AM) khuramaries: I shared the conversation we had and he just wants to share his ideas if u wish
(11:25:10 AM) SyberBitch70: I don't care...
(11:25:16 AM) khuramaries: ok
(11:26:05 AM) khuramaries: but I care
(11:26:28 AM) SyberBitch70: yes I know... you've decided to make me your little pet project apparently
(11:27:24 AM) SyberBitch70: is your friend fluent in english?
(11:27:57 AM) khuramaries: yeah he is?
(11:28:02 AM) SyberBitch70: ok
(11:28:16 AM) khuramaries: he has much better english than me
(11:28:46 AM) SyberBitch70: ok, well let him tell me what he wants to say. I have maybe half an hour
(11:29:05 AM) khuramaries: ok
(11:29:36 AM) khuramaries: what ever u thin about me but my God knows what I have in my heart
(11:30:18 AM) khuramaries: any way chat with my friend
(11:30:25 AM) SyberBitch70: ok...
(11:30:41 AM) khuramaries: How do u do
(11:30:47 AM) SyberBitch70: I'm ok
(11:30:48 AM) khuramaries: I am Sajjad
(11:30:56 AM) khuramaries: your name?
(11:31:01 AM) SyberBitch70: Seby
(11:31:13 AM) khuramaries: nice name
(11:31:20 AM) SyberBitch70: It'll do
(11:31:40 AM) khuramaries: ?
(11:32:38 AM) khuramaries: I will chatting to you but it does mean that I am doing bit for the sake of conversion
(11:33:02 AM) SyberBitch70: go ahead...
(11:34:53 AM) khuramaries: God really esixts if u look at the things or universe the system is not running by it self there is some one who is moveing the every thing
(11:35:11 AM) khuramaries: *moving
(11:35:36 AM) SyberBitch70: if you say so
(11:35:42 AM) khuramaries: yeah
(11:35:56 AM) SyberBitch70: what's true for you is true for you
(11:37:25 AM) khuramaries: when somebody shares something it is not to impress the other person but its just an opnion , itsupto u wheter u accept or not
(11:37:58 AM) SyberBitch70: ok
(11:38:58 AM) khuramaries: Khuram just shared the views and ideas which u have in ur mind
(11:39:35 AM) SyberBitch70: ok
(11:42:19 AM) khuramaries: Jesus said "No disciple can be greater than his master". Jesus was persecuted but He did not stop loving even his enemies, He prayed for those who crucified Him.
(11:44:54 AM) khuramaries: and I am disciple of Christ so I respect whatever you think
(11:45:04 AM) SyberBitch70: ok
(11:46:04 AM) khuramaries: I am not fundamentalist and not even brain washed
(11:46:35 AM) SyberBitch70: I'm not a disciple of christ, but I respect what YOU think. It doesn't mean that I agree with it, but I respect your right to believe what you believe
(11:47:19 AM) khuramaries: thanks for ur time
(11:47:42 AM) khuramaries: I have an urgent piece of work
(11:48:11 AM) khuramaries: and if u wish we can proceed on this topic some other day?
(11:48:31 AM) SyberBitch70: ok, I have to leave in about 15 minutes
(11:48:43 AM) khuramaries: ok have a nice time
(11:48:48 AM) SyberBitch70: ok thanks
(11:49:17 AM) khuramaries: hloo
(11:49:34 AM) khuramaries: I am khuram
(11:49:38 AM) SyberBitch70: ok
(11:50:13 AM) khuramaries: Seby one thing I am sure about Koran
(11:50:41 AM) khuramaries: Bible gives us clear way to Salvation
(11:51:05 AM) khuramaries: but Salvation does not exists in the Koran
(11:51:14 AM) SyberBitch70: sure it does
(11:51:54 AM) SyberBitch70: it's just not the same definition as the one in the bible
(11:52:06 AM) khuramaries: ?
(11:52:51 AM) SyberBitch70: the bible talks about getting to heaven, the koran talks about going to paradise... both 'salvation' so to speak
(11:53:03 AM) khuramaries: no no
(11:53:46 AM) khuramaries: Koran says on the day of judgement ur good and bad deeds will be weiged
(11:54:24 AM) khuramaries: and if u have more weight of good deeds u will go to heaven other wise in hell
(11:55:33 AM) SyberBitch70: so how does that make less sense than the idea that once you are 'saved', you'll go to 'heaven' whether your good deeds outweigh your bad or not?
(connection lost on his side... or something)
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Round Three
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(11:49:47 AM) khuramaries: hi
(11:49:54 AM) SyberBitch70: hello
(11:50:18 AM) khuramaries: I hope u r doing fine
(11:50:38 AM) SyberBitch70: yeah I'm doing fine
(11:50:50 AM) khuramaries: sorry yesterday I was dc
(11:51:00 AM) khuramaries: did u get my msgs?
(11:51:03 AM) SyberBitch70: I doubt it
(11:51:29 AM) khuramaries: yeah u have ur right
(11:51:49 AM) SyberBitch70: my right?
(11:52:14 AM) khuramaries: yeah u have right to doubt
(11:53:00 AM) SyberBitch70: um... what I meant was that I probably did not get your messages
(11:53:17 AM) khuramaries: oh sorry
(11:53:33 AM) khuramaries: actually my english is not very good:(
(11:53:56 AM) SyberBitch70: I know, it makes it hard to talk about complicated subjects
(11:54:09 AM) khuramaries: yeah :(
(11:54:25 AM) SyberBitch70: This is the last thing I got yesterday: (11:54:24 AM) khuramaries: and if u have more weight of good deeds u will go to heaven other wise in hell
(11:55:33 AM) SyberBitch70: so how does that make less sense than the idea that once you are 'saved', you'll go to 'heaven' whether your good deeds outweigh your bad or not?
(11:54:51 AM) khuramaries: yeah
(11:55:30 AM) khuramaries: ur question is very good
(11:55:40 AM) SyberBitch70: that means you don't know the answer
(11:55:41 AM) SyberBitch70: lol
(11:55:58 AM) khuramaries: it seems that u r a honest skeptic
(11:56:30 AM) khuramaries: I am nothing Seby but I trust God He sill help me to anser ur question
(11:56:45 AM) SyberBitch70: ok, then what is the answer?
(11:57:27 AM) khuramaries: Bible teaches us that "Wages of sin is death"
(11:57:35 AM) SyberBitch70: we all die
(11:57:44 AM) SyberBitch70: whether we 'sin' or not
(11:58:03 AM) SyberBitch70: the good among us die just as surely as the bad
(11:58:11 AM) khuramaries: let me try to explain this verse
(11:58:16 AM) khuramaries: for example
(11:59:22 AM) khuramaries: if u drink u can be the victim of stomach disease or u commit adultery u can be put into jail or can be infected by AIDS
(11:59:45 AM) khuramaries: it has vast meanings these are fwe examples
(11:59:56 AM) SyberBitch70: so can completely innocent people be affected by those issues
(12:00:12 PM) khuramaries: for example?
(12:00:40 PM) SyberBitch70: completely innocent people can get AIDS or stomach disease. Small innocent children die of cancer every day.
(12:00:52 PM) khuramaries: yeah
(12:01:08 PM) khuramaries: there is always a reason behind every thing
(12:01:26 PM) khuramaries: somes reason we can see some we dont
(12:01:29 PM) SyberBitch70: so people say
(12:01:47 PM) SyberBitch70: I think that's just a rationalization to make unfortunate people feel better
(12:02:04 PM) khuramaries: please explain?
(12:02:25 PM) SyberBitch70: what do you not understand?
(12:02:39 PM) khuramaries: I think that's just a rationalization to make unfortunate people feel better
(12:02:39 PM) khuramaries: ?
(12:02:50 PM) SyberBitch70: ok, but what part of that do you not understand
(12:03:42 PM) khuramaries: r u saying "that unfortunate people r being given pschological cal"?
(12:03:47 PM) khuramaries: calm*
(12:03:53 PM) SyberBitch70: yes, basically
(12:04:18 PM) khuramaries: yeah
(12:04:36 PM) khuramaries: Seby u r right
(12:04:39 PM) SyberBitch70: telling someone that their baby is dying from cancer because there is some greater meaning they cannot understand, is bullshit
(12:04:40 PM) khuramaries: praise te Lord
(12:05:11 PM) khuramaries: one apsect u can understand
(12:05:41 PM) khuramaries: but if u get in connection with God He wil give u more understanding
(12:05:56 PM) SyberBitch70: that's double speak
(12:06:15 PM) SyberBitch70: you cannot just say 'you don't understand because you are not closer to God'
(12:06:32 PM) khuramaries: it seems becaue u r talking only wih ur intelligence and experience
(12:06:52 PM) SyberBitch70: you claim that you are closer to God than I am, so then YOU should know the answers
(12:07:00 PM) SyberBitch70: and yet, you cannot give them to me
(12:07:12 PM) khuramaries: When I said that I am closer than u?
(12:07:37 PM) SyberBitch70: it seems that you believe you are, because you are trying to convince me to become closer to God
(12:07:53 PM) khuramaries: I only said I am sinner, I am nothing
(12:08:07 PM) khuramaries: by heart
(12:08:30 PM) SyberBitch70: have you ever considered that maybe God is annoyed with all of these false religions, including Christianity, and that perhaps (he) is trying to get YOU to think more for yourself?
(12:09:08 PM) SyberBitch70: Perhaps you were not brought to me to SAVE me, perhaps you were brought to me to LEARN from me
(12:09:09 PM) khuramaries: yeah I thought abut this
(12:10:05 PM) khuramaries: I am thankful to God that He has provided me chance for this discussion
(12:10:20 PM) khuramaries: yeah I confess this that u make me learn a lot of things
(12:10:21 PM) SyberBitch70: but... see what I mean about me not wanting to strip your beliefs from you? You have the right to believe in whatever makes you feel fulfilled
(12:10:48 PM) SyberBitch70: there are very few things you could say or do that would suddenly cause me to become 'religious'
(12:11:14 PM) khuramaries: yeah?
(12:12:09 PM) SyberBitch70: I suppose I have my own beliefs, but they have very little to do with any organized religion
(12:12:51 PM) khuramaries: woul u like to share ur beliefs if u dont mind?
(12:14:58 PM) khuramaries: r u busy?
(12:15:43 PM) SyberBitch70: Well, I reserve judgement on whether or not there is a sentient 'higher power' out there. I sometimes think there might be, but if so, it is too vast to be locked into some little religious box. If there is a 'God' (for lack of a better word), it doesn't care whether or not you follow a particular line of faith. There is no reason to believe that any being as vast as a 'God' would be so petty as to be upset if you did not believe in it
(12:16:20 PM) SyberBitch70: or to punish you for not following some shallow rules that humans made up and put into religious scripture for their own benefits
(12:17:49 PM) khuramaries: ok I respect what ever u believe
(12:18:07 PM) SyberBitch70: Something that vast would only BE there, possibly by following a conscientious path and not deliberately being a selfish and hurtful person, by caring more about larger dynamics than yourself and trying to do 'good' instead of harming the earth and others, you might be more in line with this vastness
(12:18:24 PM) SyberBitch70: but if you did not, it would not 'punish' you for doing so
(12:18:32 PM) khuramaries: ok
(12:19:11 PM) SyberBitch70: do you acknowledge, that if there is a 'God', it is AT LEAST as intelligent as the smartest humans on this planet?
(12:19:36 PM) khuramaries: well
(12:19:43 PM) SyberBitch70: or let me rephrase that... at least as WISE as the wisest humans
(12:20:04 PM) khuramaries: if u give me permission i wil pray and analyze ur beliefs and we can discuss
(12:20:16 PM) SyberBitch70: because the wisest humans on the planet, know enough NOT to be petty
(12:20:34 PM) SyberBitch70: and the 'bible', portrays God as being very petty
(12:20:53 PM) SyberBitch70: I believe it even says somewhere "God is a Jealous God"
(12:21:04 PM) khuramaries: yeah
(12:21:09 PM) SyberBitch70: now, how could a being THAT wise and omnipotent be JEALOUS?!?!
(12:21:15 PM) SyberBitch70: seriously
(12:21:36 PM) SyberBitch70: and what would it have to be jealous of? Are there other gods it's competing with? That makes no sense
(12:22:13 PM) khuramaries: ok
(12:22:34 PM) SyberBitch70: If you and a woman were the last people on earth, would you be 'jealous' of her thinking of other men?
(12:22:38 PM) khuramaries: I aksed some thing
?(12:23:03 PM) SyberBitch70: why would I care whether or not you pray and study on the issues? Of course you can.
(12:23:24 PM) SyberBitch70: However, I can tell you this little piece of information
(12:23:32 PM) khuramaries: I am askking for the permission to discuss ur belief?
(12:23:58 PM) SyberBitch70: When you start taking all of this to other believers and asking them about it... they will eventually give you one answer. They will tell you to stop talking to me
(12:24:04 PM) SyberBitch70: sure, I can discuss them
(12:24:16 PM) khuramaries: thanks
(12:25:09 PM) khuramaries: let us take a break
(12:25:12 PM) SyberBitch70: Because the bottom line is this. Religious beliefs, examined too closely, fall apart and the ONLY fallback the believers have, is to say 'have faith' or 'it's a mystery of God', something along those lines. In other words, they HAVE no answer that makes sense
(12:25:45 PM) SyberBitch70: as I said... talking to me is dangerous
(12:25:54 PM) khuramaries: would u like to tell me about ur self
(12:26:01 PM) SyberBitch70: like what?
(12:26:25 PM) khuramaries: like ur hobbies, about ur baby etc
(12:27:12 PM) SyberBitch70: hmmm... my hobbies. I work on computers, I'm learning poi (not the food, you can look it up), I do middle eastern dance
(12:27:42 PM) khuramaries: belly dance:-?
(12:27:48 PM) SyberBitch70: yes
(12:27:58 PM) SyberBitch70: it's a lot of fun
(12:28:05 PM) khuramaries: oh yeah
(12:28:27 PM) khuramaries: I also like dance but not vugur dance
(12:28:34 PM) khuramaries: vulgur*
(12:28:40 PM) SyberBitch70: this is not vulgur dance
(12:28:50 PM) khuramaries: yeah I knwo this
(12:28:56 PM) SyberBitch70: you should
(12:29:08 PM) SyberBitch70: since you live in a middle eastern country
(12:29:42 PM) khuramaries: I love music
(12:29:44 PM) SyberBitch70: It is seductive, but never vulgar...
(12:30:20 PM) khuramaries: yeah
(12:30:46 PM) khuramaries: we have a famous classical dance here call "Kathak dance"
(12:30:59 PM) SyberBitch70: I'll have to look that up
(12:31:07 PM) SyberBitch70: did you say you are in India?
(12:31:51 PM) khuramaries: no I am in Pakistan
(12:32:04 PM) SyberBitch70: oh I'm sorry my mistake
(12:32:09 PM) khuramaries: actually its classical dance of India
(12:32:23 PM) SyberBitch70: I'm watching kathak dance now
(12:33:20 PM) SyberBitch70: it's similar to bellydance in some ways. She is using hand mudrahs of course
(12:33:55 PM) khuramaries: its very diffcult dance to perform
(12:34:14 PM) SyberBitch70: any dance is difficult if done correctly
(12:35:16 PM) khuramaries: yeah but this classical dance require ur 110% attention
(12:35:27 PM) khuramaries: like indian classical music
(12:35:47 PM) SyberBitch70: I just went to an Indian music concert last Friday with my little boy
(12:35:59 PM) khuramaries: really
(12:36:00 PM) SyberBitch70: they were playing a sitar and tablah
(12:36:23 PM) khuramaries: yeah sitar is a beautiful intrument I
(12:36:36 PM) SyberBitch70: but yes, as I said, ANY performance art is very difficult if done correctly
(12:36:55 PM) khuramaries: yeah u r right
(12:37:02 PM) khuramaries: r u really an american
(12:37:07 PM) SyberBitch70: um yes
(12:37:23 PM) SyberBitch70: why would you ask that?
(12:37:31 PM) khuramaries: I am in doubt now:-/
(12:37:37 PM) SyberBitch70: hah why?
(12:37:54 PM) khuramaries: because or ur interests
(12:37:57 PM) khuramaries: lol
(12:38:15 PM) SyberBitch70: I have mulitcultural interests... that is not so uncommon in America
(12:38:33 PM) SyberBitch70: I detest typical American sports
(12:38:35 PM) khuramaries: that is good
(12:39:48 PM) SyberBitch70: but yes, I do sometimes eat hotdogs and hamburgers 8-| though I used to be a vegetarian
(12:40:17 PM) SyberBitch70: I don't even know what 'stereotypes' there would be for people in Pakistan
(12:40:35 PM) khuramaries: I don't even know what 'stereotypes' there would be for people in Pakistan?
(12:40:49 PM) khuramaries: explain it u know I have not very good english?
(12:41:00 PM) SyberBitch70: you were thinking that I may not be American because I do not fit the stereotypes
(12:41:09 PM) SyberBitch70: do you understand the word stereotype?
(12:41:17 PM) khuramaries: no :(
(12:41:47 PM) SyberBitch70: ok, a stereotype is an idea that people generally have about how a certain group of people usually are
(12:42:07 PM) khuramaries: o ok
(12:42:12 PM) SyberBitch70: one stereotype is that all black people are good at basketball
(12:42:21 PM) khuramaries: oh ic
(12:42:27 PM) khuramaries: now I can understand
(12:42:29 PM) khuramaries: lol
(12:42:53 PM) khuramaries: wait a minute Seby my little sister needs my assisance
(12:42:58 PM) SyberBitch70: ok
(12:43:06 PM) khuramaries: she is have pain in her ankle
(12:43:15 PM) SyberBitch70: I have to go feed my son
(12:43:46 PM) khuramaries: ok
