Is this a hate crime?

[HairOfTheDog]

RIP.


Story: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post...olice-say/

[HairOfTheDog]

They're coming out of the woodwork.



The white supremacist murderer, Christian, who stabbed to death an army veteran and a recent college grad when they tried to protect two teen girls from the supremacist's racial attack appeared in court.

The first thing the self-proclaimed 'white nationalist' killer did in the Portland courtroom was go on a rant about how what some calls 'terrorism' he calls 'patriotism'. He also said there are no 'safe places' for those supremacists consider a scorge.

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[HairOfTheDog]

Christian has a history of wrapping himself in the American flag and making public rants against non-whites while hailing Timothy McVeigh. He also preached 'free speech' in his court rant, apparently unaware that assault and murder do not fall into that category.

This hate-monger is far from alone. He's one of many thousands of dangerous American racists and extremists. The FBI and national security authorities deem domestic terrorists more of a threat to Americans, by the numbers, than Islamic terrorists.

I like a lot of things about Portland and have enjoyed my visits there. But, it's a weird place with a long-standing extremist underbelly. If you live in a diverse community, the fact that there are very few, if any, people of color the first time you check out Portland streets hits you fairly quickly. The city used to be the skinhead capital of the country; they quieted down for many years, but didn't disappear.

In the current political climate, recent hate-motivated crimes have residents and authorities fearing that more American extremists are starting to feel comfortable in going public and going after people who don't look like them again in Portland and elsewhere. I hope not.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/05/30/sus...court.html

[Maggot]

Just goes to show that nutcases come in any and all sizes no matter what political party they come from.

[HairOfTheDog]

Just goes to show a lot of things that some people routinely deny, even as they perpetuate what they claim doesn't exist (and blame on the victims).

[Midwest Spy]

I wonder if the girls that the victims stood up for raced to their aid as they lay bleeding to death?

[HairOfTheDog]

If you figure out a way to justify that idiotic attempt to blame two innocent teen girls minding their own business while riding a train, be sure to let me know MS.

[Duchess]

I wonder if the girls that the victims stood up for raced to their aid as they lay bleeding to death?

I would have ran the moment that madman's attention was diverted.

[Midwest Spy]

If you figure out a way to justify that idiotic attempt to blame two innocent teen girls minding their own business while riding a train, be sure to let me know MS.

We'd all react differently, and, I have no idea if they assisted or not.

However, if someone came to my aid, and I watched them knifed, the killer flee, I'd sure as hell jump in and assist in any way possible.

You and I will never agree about any of this.

You show zero outrage when an Islamic extremist(s) is mowing down innocents in Europe or slaughtering Coptic Christians in Africa.

But man, you love to go on and on about the one white guy who is a racist scum.

Nobody would've been harmed either, if it weren't for 2 stand up white guys who confronted him.

Where are the Muslims confronting their extremists before they harm innocents?

Nowhere to be found, that's where.

[HairOfTheDog]

MS, that post is full of blatant bullshit.

I show outrage at Islamic extremists, other extremists, and murderers in here all the time. There are hundreds of such condemnations by me in multiple threads. You've read and replied to several of them. Do you just pull defensive bullshit out of your ass thinking people will believe what you say when it contradicts everything I've posted for years? Rhetorical.

Blaming the men who lost their lives for defending two teen girls, or blaming the teen girls themselves, in defense of a racist murderer just because he's white is asinine. You're right, I'll never agree with your mentality in that regard.

One of the teen girls confronted by the murderer is black, not Muslim. Shortly after the incident, she talked about her survivor guilt and her gratitude to the men who saved her and her Muslim friend. Here's the link if you really are curious as to her mindset and actions. http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/29/us/portlan...-stabbing/

I'm not gonna blame the two girls for not running back to confront a big, crazed, knife-wielding murderer and I'm not gonna disparage two brave men who lost their lives protecting the girls from him.

In this case, I share the sentiments that President Trump expressed: "The violent attacks in Portland on Friday are unacceptable. The victims were standing up to hate and intolerance. Our prayers are w/ them," read the tweet from the official @POTUS account.

[Midwest Spy]

I didn't blame the girls for not confronting the killer.

I simply wondered if they had rendered aid after the fact.

And, interestingly enough, the one girl who commented about survivor guilt was the American not the Muslim.

My point about the victims was that they actually stood up to one of their own that was spewing hatred.

You are a Master Twister of Words.

[Midwest Spy]

I wanted to say that I just read about 4 fund raising campaigns that have been started for the 3 men who rushed to the aid of the 2 girls, one of which is called: Muslims Unite for Portland Heroes.

It has raised more than $500,000 at the moment.

These brave men laid their lives down for 2 girls they didn't know.

True heroes.

[HairOfTheDog]

Read your previous posts in this thread and your last one again, MS.

I didn't twist your words, you're just not owning your's and making false claims about my posting history and my clearly-expressed sentiments regarding all extremists.

I've posted so many condemnations against Islamic extremists by peaceful Muslims.....a couple of them in reply to your same claim that such condemnations don't exist. If you don't read or just block out those facts because they don't match your mindset, there's no sense wasting my time posting them again.

In this case, the Muslim community and the rest of the peaceful residents of Portland have been honoring the heroes who intervened on behalf of the girls for days now. By the way..........where's your condemnation of the white supremacist extremist in this case? Did it get lost in your pondering whether the young girls did what you claim you would have in the midst of a slaughter? And, how is it that you know the killer wouldn't have stabbed the initial targets of his hate if the men hadn't intervened -- psychic?

I'm not assuming the murdered victims considered a full-grown violent, racist, extremist who was targeting two teenaged girls "one of their own" just because the extremist is the same race as the murdered victims. That's a projection of your feelings and you can't put them on the brave men with any credibility. For all you know, they considered the two peaceful girls "ones of their own".

We're not gonna agree on this MS. I'm not gonna refrain from posting factual stories about white extremists terrorizing Muslims, blacks, whites and others. I'm not gonna refrain from posting factual stories about Islamic extremists killing other Muslims, Christians and others either. That's just the way it is.

[Midwest Spy]

The 2 girls had moved to the back of the train, that's why I'm assuming he wasn't going after them to kill them.

Yes, an assumption on my part.

He's different from a Muslim suicide bomber, or truck driver in the fact that he was spewing his hatred vocally, and didn't just walk up to them and stab them in the necks, as an Islamic terrorist would.

If you didn't notice that little difference, maybe you don't really understand all you read?

This guy was a ticking time bomb, and evil.

The difference between this incident and Islamic terrorist incidents: 3 White guys jumped in to protect the target of his hatred, and paid the price.

[HairOfTheDog]

You're stating assumptions as facts, projecting your mindset on to people without substantiation, and proclaiming absolutes that are simply not true MS (if you really believe that no Islamic extremists spew hate or degrade the hell out of their victims before attacking and killing them, you need to take your own advice and read more).

The killer in this case was threatening to decapitate while targeting the girls, before the men intervened and diverted his attention.

Anyway, I'm not trying to change your mindset. I'm stating the facts. As for my opinion, a white and/or Christian terrorist is no different or better than a non-white terrorist of Islam or any other faith. They're all equally despicable, to me. It doesn't surprise or bother me that you disagree.

[Maggot]

I don't think the stabbing victims thought that the nutcase would start slashing their throats. If they did they may have approached him differently. It had to have been very fast.

[HairOfTheDog]

Yeah, it reportedly did happen very fast.

The affidavit states that the surviving stabbing victim, witnesses, and cell phone video indicate that Christian ranted about decapitating people and targeted the girls - the three men then intervened, tried to calm Christian down, and encouraged him to get off the train.

That's when Christian pulled out a 4 to 5 inch bladed knife and stabbed them each in the neck. Christian ran off the train while other passengers were assisting the victims. Some passengers chased after him and flagged down police officers who apprehended Christian.

(Not that it matters MS, but both of the teen girls are Americans).

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index...ax_tr.html

[Midwest Spy]

At the end of the day, this is a hate crime, but what gets me going, is equating this particular crime to what happened in Manchester, for example.

Not even close in comparison.

[HairOfTheDog]

Well, whether it's close or not MS......I didn't make that comparison. No one here did.

[Duchess]

At the end of the day, this is a hate crime, but what gets me going, is equating this particular crime to what happened in Manchester, for example.

Not even close in comparison.

Dead is dead. Families & friends are grieving. The evil doers are extremists. Good God almighty, did I just quote Dubya? Wooo.