US soldier murders 16 civilians....

[Cracker]

Why do I think OP used to be one of those British cops that look like taxi drivers?

[username]

It's all Obama's fault!
















Jesus. The guy obviously snapped and of course because he snapped, we need to start throwing around blame (he shouldn't have been redeployed because of his head injury, he shouldn't have been deployed as often, and while we're at it, alcohol was involved so we might as well question the use of alcohol on base...). The list goes on and on and some of it may be true. However, I think the guy should be tried like anybody else in the army and if he gets a lighter sentence (or sentenced to some psychiatric facility) so be it. There's not much we can do about Afghan's opinions about us but because the Taliban is out there killing Afghan citizens, it doesn't mean we can just excuse one of our own doing the same. Not all Afghan's are members of the Taliban.

Suppose one of the relatives of those killed snapped and started killing Americans. How would that go over?

[IMaDick]

Why do I think OP used to be one of those British cops that look like taxi drivers?

He was a janitor in a police station, this fuckwit wouldn't pass the mentals or the physicals, he's a short fat little nutcase.

If the truth be told he is more like the neighborhood watch guy than anything else.

[Disciple]

It goes without saying that there is no condoning the killing of civilians. But EVERYONE has a breaking point and this man obviously reached his. We have asked far too much of far too few with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, whether you agree(d) with the policies or not.

We are not in Afghanistan to defeat the Taliban, but to ATTEMPT to help the corrupt, mistrusted, ungrateful "democratically elected" goverment of President Karzai maintain stability. We won the war once, let it slide and now should have no illusions that Western military forces are going to be able to keep a corrupt politician in office when his own people neither support nor trust him. It is not OUR job to win the hearts and minds of the Afghan people. Its his. And he has failed miserably.

Like the Vietnamese, the Taliban and other opposition to the Karzai regime know that we are going to go home someday and that the writing on the wall says sooner rather than later.

Shortly after this incident, the Taliban withdrew from the preliminary talks that had just started. In a meeting with Secretary of Defense Panetta last week, Karzai said that he wanted all NATO troops removed from the rural areas, security in those areas turned over to Afghan soldiers, and NATO troops to confine themselves to the urban areas.

I think that we should honor his request immediately.

Support the troops. Bring them home.

[Midwest Spy]

Two wrongs don't make a right vinegar tits.

Lame.

[Cracker]

Suppose one of the relatives of those killed snapped and started killing Americans. How would that go over?

You're shitting me, right? Who do you think is killing our troops over there?

[username]

Suppose one of the relatives of those killed snapped and started killing Americans. How would that go over?

You're shitting me, right? Who do you think is killing our troops over there?

Generally speaking, not little kids living in villages, dumbass.

[username]

Stop trying to make what he did okay. It wasn't.

[Cracker]

Suppose one of the relatives of those killed snapped and started killing Americans. How would that go over?

You're shitting me, right? Who do you think is killing our troops over there?

Generally speaking, not little kids living in villages, dumbass.

Bad answer, dumbass. Your liberal mind trick didn't work: I am Jedi.

[username]

Bad answer, dumbass. Your liberal mind trick didn't work: I am Jedi.

Yeah, go ahead and keep trying to make the shooter out to be the victim. I thought you conservatives were supposed to be tough on crime?

[Cracker]

Stop trying to make what he did okay. It wasn't.

Wut?

You think there are results without causes?

You think he killed kids all of his deployments and just got caught this time?

Please explain your lack of insight. I think I'm missing something.

[Cracker]

Yeah, go ahead and keep trying to make the shooter out to be the victim. I thought you conservatives were supposed to be tough on crime?

The Taliban had double the kill of kiddies in the same 24 hour period. That doesn't seem to bother you. I wonder what it feels like to be surrounded by sneaky camel fuckers willing to kill their own children?

I'm sure it's totally fine. Go grab another glass of wine and don't worry about it.

[username]

You think there are results without causes?

How conveeeeeeeenient. This coming from the woman who speaks about personal responsibility all the time?

So, if a black kid is raised in a violent/abusive home and snaps and goes and shoots someone, it's okay, right?

Hypocrite.

[username]

The Taliban had double the kill of kiddies in the same 24 hour period. That doesn't seem to bother you. I wonder what it feels like to be surrounded by sneaky camel fuckers willing to kill their own children?

I'm sure it's totally fine. Go grab another glass of wine and don't worry about it.

Fuck off and quit posting when I'm posting. WTF, of course I think the Taliban are atrocious--we're supposed to be the good guys here.

[Cracker]

Hypocrite.

Read up on that Army base. They know they are deploying nutfucks. Should you just blame the nutfuck or the ones who gave him the rifle?

I think it is more hypocritical to castigate a mentally ill soldier while ignoring the actions of the people who kill their own children. You can't take the moral high ground, but you can have the self-loathing corner if you want...

[username]

Read up on that Army base. They know they are deploying nutfucks. Should you just blame the nutfuck or the ones who gave him the rifle?

I think it is more hypocritical to castigate a mentally ill soldier while ignoring the actions of the people who kill their own children.

Answer the question. If a black kid is raised in a violent/abusive home (hey, maybe there are guns there too), does he get a pass for shooting people? Does he deserve the full extent of your sympathy?

Where is the personal responsibility in this situation? Are we to excuse any soldier from that base if they pick up a weapon and start firing on innocents?

This is so obviously a bias on your part because you have one in the military. It's fucked up your thinking on the subject.

[Cracker]

I guess I should have stuck with the mommy board reply: Oh, no! We killed nine kids in Afghanistan! What a horrible, terrible thing to do! We should stop the war RIGHT NOW! Bring them home because killing kids is BAD!


Jesus Christ. No fucking shit.

[username]

No you should have stopped at the point where you went overboard trying to defend and excuse his actions because it was a soldier who did it in a war zone.

[Midwest Spy]

No you should have stopped at the point where you went overboard trying to defend and excuse his actions because it was a soldier who did it in a war zone.

So, do you want him drawn and quartered and paraded through the streets of Kabul?

What exactly are you looking for here?

Yes, he committed a crime. He was certainly under duress. I believe he'll spend time at Leavenworth.

Do I feel horrible for the innocents? Yes.

Where's your outrage over the other innocents slaughtered by the Taliban?

This bullshit about 'we're the good guys' while the truly evil assholes get a free pass, fucking irritates me to no end.

[username]

So, do you want him drawn and quartered and paraded through the streets of Kabul?

What exactly are you looking for here?

Yes, he committed a crime. He was certainly under duress. I believe he'll spend time at Leavenworth.

Do I feel horrible for the innocents? Yes.

Where's your outrage over the other innocents slaughtered by the Taliban?

This bullshit about 'we're the good guys' while the truly evil assholes get a free pass, fucking irritates me to no end.

MS, for just a minute, try to think rationally and don't put words in my mouth. Show me where I said he should get paraded through the streets. If you weren't such a lazy ass, you'd see my other post where I think he should get a trial and if it's determined he needs psych help or whatever, so be it. I want him to face trial and I don't want to go overboard giving sympathy to a guy that killed 16 innocent people. Period. Yes, war is ugly but this goes way beyond pee'ing on the enemy. Asshole.

This post isn't about my outrage at the Taliban. If you want to start a separate post about their horrific crimes, have at it. The evil assholes don't get a "free pass" from me but I'm not going to say "well, there are evil assholes in Afghanistan so this guy was totally justified killing women and children". That's just FUCKED UP.

The fact that you can't separate the two just shows how retarded you really are.