walking while black - Trayvon Martin

[ramseycat]

perhaps you guys could start an insurance discussion thread.

Sorry LC. No more insurance talk. I'm off for the weekend.

[ramseycat]

get the message?

Oh yeah. I got it. Ramsey is spending the weekend ALONE once again and is pissy. Sally hires illegals to drive her "catering" trucks.

I wish I could spend a weekend alone. I could use the peace and quiet.

[Adub]

From what we know so far, 2^nd degree murder looks like an overly aggressive charge, I agree. But, we still don't know what the prosecution has in terms of totality of evidence that might justify it.

Even if I feel that he was jumped (or suckerpunched), he IS the one that decided to pursue on foot when he was told not to. For that part alone, he should serve some time.

Zimmerman needs to serve time for shooting Trayvon straight through the heart at very close range. 2^nd degree comes into play because Zimmerman, quite literally, hunted Trayvon down. To Trayvon, Zimmerman was a stranger. To Zimmerman, Trayvon was fucking asshole, up to no good. There you go. No prior relationship. Zimmerman fucked up big time.

[Sterling]

. . . Zimmerman, quite literally, hunted Trayvon down. To Trayvon, Zimmerman was a stranger. To Zimmerman, Trayvon was fucking asshole, up to no good. There you go. No prior relationship.

It will be interesting if one can prove that Zimmerman "hunted" Martin AND Martin regarded Zimmerman as a "stranger" and NOT as an attacker. BTW - "fucking asshole" and "up to no good" are mutually exclusive. No prior relationship actually supports a self-defense claim. So do black eyes, a broken nose, yada, yada, yada.

[Adub]

It will be interesting if one can prove that Zimmerman "hunted" Martin AND Martin regarded Zimmerman as a "stranger" and NOT as an attacker. BTW - "fucking asshole" and "up to no good" are mutually exclusive. No prior relationship actually supports a self-defense claim. So do black eyes, a broken nose, yada, yada, yada.

How in the hell does "no prior relationship" support a self-defense? Trayvon did not know Zimmerman. Had no beef with him. Zimmerman was a fucking stranger.

On the otherhand, Zimmerman's imagination zeroed in on Trayvon as being one and the same as the young black guys that his wife had witnessed committing crimes. Give me a fucking break. And Cracker STFU. Trayvon was hunted down by Zimmerman because Zimmerman imagined that he was going to catch the bad guy. And help out LE. And it didn't quite work out that way because Zimmerman had it all fucking wrong.

[Sterling]

How in the hell does "no prior relationship" support a self-defense? Trayvon did not know Zimmerman. Had no beef with him. Zimmerman was a fucking stranger.

On the otherhand, Zimmerman's imagination zeroed in on Trayvon as being one and the same as the young black guys that his wife had witnessed committing crimes. Give me a fucking break. And Cracker STFU. Trayvon was hunted down by Zimmerman because Zimmerman imagined that he was going to catch the bad guy. And help out LE. And it didn't quite work out that way because Zimmerman had it all fucking wrong.

Okay. First things first. Prior relationships can either be benign or combative. With a prior relationship, one has past experience(s) as to the person's actions or behaviors. Neither Martin nor Zimmerman knew how each other would react be it passive or violent based on a lack of history.

Apparently, Martin had no idea that Zimmerman was a "hunter" looking for a trophy and Zimmerman had no idea that Martin was to be the next martyr for the Civil Rights Movement after his mixed-race ass was beaten and then shooting him dead. Obviously, Martin wasn't too bright about many things. If he only saw Zimmerman as "stranger" after George allegedly "hunted" him then he was a dumbshit. By all means, change "dumbshit" to "trusting" if you like.

Unfortunately, I don't believe your scenario will be proven at the criminal trial. You've got nothing but speculation and conjecture. However, your scenario at the civil suit will set the grieving parents up for life. Economic justice.

"All the kids with the pumped up kicks better run, run, run . . ."

[Adub]

My scenario is not conjecture. It is fact. And I betcha that Trayvon's parents would rather have their son alive than seen as a martyr. Civil rights was just a tool available to them as Black Americans. They used it. I don't blame them. Zimmerman's 911 tape that night, and past 911 calls say it all.

[sally]

I read all 67 pages and links and I still don't see anything other than Trayvon was minding his own business when Zimmerman decided to fuck with him. He fought back like any normal person would do if some freak was following them and unfortunately the freak had a gun.

[Sterling]

My scenario is not conjecture. It is fact. And I betcha that Trayvon's parents would rather have their son alive than seen as a martyr. Civil rights was just a tool available to them as Black Americans. They used it. I don't blame them. Zimmerman's 911 tape that night, and past 911 calls say it all.

Let's see if they keep the cash. They will. They played the race card and the usual cast of race baiting haters joined the party. Politics, not justice is the real the focus. I hope you get the justice you truly want and believe is deserved. Personally, I don't think it's gonna happen. I'll wager that First Lady, Michelle Obama will be either called as a defense witness or depo'd. You wait and see.

[Sterling]

He fought back like any normal person would do if some freak was following them and unfortunately the freak had a gun.

I'd probably be looking for escape routes before finding out if the douchebag who was following me was carrying a weapon. I'm a pussy. I'd run. By all means, feel free to get in the "hunter's" face and give him a piece of your mind! Or ventricle.

[Adub]

Let's see if they keep the cash. They will. They played the race card and the usual cast of race baiting haters joined the party. Politics, not justice is the real the focus. I hope you get the justice you truly want and believe is deserved. Personally, I don't think it's gonna happen. I'll wager that First Lady, Michelle Obama will be either called as a defense witness or depo'd. You wait and see.

The have a dead son. More power to them. Whatever it takes. Whatever it takes. I do not believe that Zimmerman is a racist. But, I do believe that had Trayvon Martin not been black, that Zimmerman would not have imagined him to be threat to his community.

Zimmerman definitely imagined Trayvon as a threat. Zimmerman was fucking wrong. Zimmerman fucked-up big time.

[Sterling]

Zimmerman fucked-up big time.

You will get no argument from me on this point. The rest needs to be proven and tried.

[username]

He fought back like any normal person would do if some freak was following them and unfortunately the freak had a gun.

I'd probably be looking for escape routes before finding out if the douchebag who was following me was carrying a weapon. I'm a pussy. I'd run. By all means, feel free to get in the "hunter's" face and give him a piece of your mind! Or ventricle.

It seems to me that he definitely tried to elude Z for a time.

[Sterling]

It seems to me that he definitely tried to elude Z for a time.

Run away! NOT "run towards fuckin' honky" if you are threatened or believe you are being pursued. He payed the price for being tough instead of smart. Have either Skittles or Arizona Iced Tea (made in New York) reached out to his family? No. I'm not joking.

[Adub]

It seems to me that he definitely tried to elude Z for a time.

Run away! NOT "run towards fuckin' honky" if you are threatened or believe you are being pursued. He payed the price for being tough instead of smart. Have either Skittles or Arizona Iced Tea (made in New York) reached out to his family? No. I'm not joking.

Maybe , maybe not. The state does have a witness, that admits that she didn't have her contacts in, seeing two "figures" running from the area of Trayvon's residence toward the murder scene. With a flashlight in between. Who had a flashlight? Who was chasing whom? 2^nd degree murder?

[username]

It seems to me that he definitely tried to elude Z for a time.

Run away! NOT "run towards fuckin' honky" if you are threatened or believe you are being pursued. He payed the price for being tough instead of smart. Have either Skittles or Arizona Iced Tea (made in New York) reached out to his family? No. I'm not joking.

Best free advertising for both ever! I don't know if T ever ran towards Z. From Z's 911 call though, he was clearly pursuing T. He basically admits that in the call.

[Cracker]

But, I do believe that had Trayvon Martin not been black, that Zimmerman would not have imagined him to be threat to his community.

No fucking shit.

I'm not going to explain about black crime again, but it isn't an outrageous assumption. You can keep pretending it is, but it isn't.

If I see a Mexican following a black guy, I know shots will be fired.

[Cynical Ninja]

Neighbourhood watch in the UK basically consists of nosey old crones twitching their curtains all day, they don't wear hi vis vests or carry guns wandering the streets at night thank fuck.

[Cracker]

Neighbourhood watch in the UK basically consists of nosey old crones twitching their curtains all day, they don't wear hi vis vests or carry guns wandering the streets at night thank fuck.

And your police just have whistles. And your neighborhood stores don't have bulletproof glass and doors that lock you in until you pay. And your hip hop sucks ass.

So what's your point?

[Cynical Ninja]

And your police just have whistles.

And batons, and CS gas sprays, and taser guns and armed response units.

You appear to have got your impression of British police from the film Mary Poppins.