walking while black - Trayvon Martin

[IMaDick]

Fucking shopped pics, what the fuck is wrong with you Zero? can't you stop? can't you?

You have your own thread for this crap.

It's not racist to drink watermelon tea.

[Teacher]

I love his pics. Got to have a good sense of humor.

[IMaDick]

I love his pics. Got to have a good sense of humor.

It's the where not the what.

[Cracker]

I love his pics. Got to have a good sense of humor.

Zero is a she. Just in case you were getting any ideas in your head (birthday sexting).

[ZEROSPHERES]

Happy Memorial Day Dick. Of course "it's not racist to drink watermelon tea". Looks like you just lost track of who said what and the context in which it was delivered.

[IMaDick]

Happy Memorial Day Dick. Of course "it's not racist to drink watermelon tea". Looks like you just lost track of who said what and the context in which it was delivered.

It looks like you just tried to blame me for your bullshit.

crime forum, lady cops cell block ring a bell?

LC is too nice, she wouldn't say shit if her mouth was full of it, I on the other hand don't mind being seen as a dick, it's what I do.

[Cracker]

LC is too nice, she wouldn't say shit if her mouth was full of it,

This is the mother of all back-handed compliments.

[Jimbone]

I think the fact that someone manufactured watermelon iced tea is racist. What's next? Fried chicken iced tea? Chitlin chewing gum?

Where will it stop friends? Join me, Rev Jackson, and the Rainbow PUSH in a march on Washington to stop the institutional racism being foisted upon us by the manufacturing oligarchical white devils.

Register today, using password Tawana.

Love - Rev. Al

[Disciple]

for the record, my very first post in this thread that you cite was predicated on what little was known then. a lot has been learned since then.

Agreed.

But is there anything you've learned since that convinces you your initial gut feeling was wrong?

this was my initial post:

this has been bothering me a lot. i think this neighborhood watch guy was a gung-ho cop-wannabe. he had no need to be armed in that capacity.
i really feel for this kid and his family.
it goes to the state attny. office today.
sadly we'll also be seeing media whores sharpton and jackson stirring up shit soon.
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no, my gut was right.
but at that point the collective "we" had been manipulated into seeing Martin as a little boy. and of course the details were unknown.

I was thinking specifically of this bothering you/feeling that something is just wrong and your assessment of Z as a "gung-ho cop wannabe". That's all.

[Lady Cop]

yes i think he was a cop wannabe, along the lines of that idiot dog chapman.

[Disciple]

Look, sport. I stated an opinion that it is NOT a foregone conclusion that his CCP will be revoked. It was an opinion. You, on the other hand, seem to need some sort of bizarre validation that your posts are spot on. I don't care if he keeps or loses his CCP. YOU DO! I'm sorry you hang with or know idiots who lose their CCP. That's something I don't think I'd mention. As to why do I think a conviction is required in this case to have his CCP revoked, I've previously stated:

1.) I am only familiar with AZ's liberal gun laws

2.) I have no idea and (upon request) have not seen Florida's statutes regarding self defense or CCP, therefore I AM APPLYING THE LAWS OF MY STATE GOVERNING MY RIGHT AND RESPONSIBILITY TO CARRY.

additionally

3.) I never posted ". . . that people have a RIGHT to a CCP or try to use RIGHT and PRIVILEGE as though they meant the same thing . . . " as you claim. You are mistaken and confused. If I did, share the post number.

4.) Get over yourself. If you want to kick my virtual ass ("I swear I don't have a gun") take it out of the crime forum and start a thread in Some Honest Therapy.

Sterling, I'll start with an apology. You DIDN'T say that a CCP was a legal right. SIXFOOTER did, at post 1101. My error. In my defense, sometimes you two right wing sock puppets sound so alike, its hard to tell you apart.

In my humbled state of contrition, I thought I'd do some research.

Below is a section of the Florida Concealed Carry statute (Section 790.06©):

" The department (of Agriculture and Consumer Services - those responsible for licensing - Disciple) shall, upon notification by a law enforcement agency, a court, or the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and subsequent written verification, suspend a license or the processing of an application for a license if the licensee or applicant is arrested or formally charged with a crime that would disqualify such person from having a license under this section, until final disposition of the case."

Crime in this case is either a felony or a misdemeanor.

Therefore, if the Florida quthorities have done their jobs, Zimmerman's license should have ALREADY been suspended.

And before you waste your time on a game of semantics, one either has or does not have a CCP. If one used to have a CCP and no longer does, he's LOST it.

We both express our opinions. Get off your high horse. If I defend mine energetically, maybe I have been around a bit and know better than to base an opinion of Florida law on Arizona's "very liberal gun laws", the ones you say are the "only ones" with which you are familiar. The rest of the country doesn't ride like Arizona, cowboy.

Although I did take a look at Arizona's law, too. Not really all that dissimilar.

Lastly, I share your taste in Walthers and single malt scotch.

There might be hope for you.

[Disciple]

Refusing to follow instructions from police and following M while carrying a firearm.

I don't live in Fl. but I DO have a CCP.

How about you?

911 operator instructions are "suggestions". A police officer did not issue instructions not to follow.

I didn't realize that the only way to invoke a self-defense shooting in Florida was if the other party was also in possession of a weapon. Must have missed that. Thanks for the "heads-up" with that little quirk. When you get a moment, if you'll post a link to the statute specifying this "weapon on weapon" requirement, it would be helpful.

I reside in the Grand Canyon State. CCP? Ha! Surely you jest? My favorite armory in Flagstaff is a combo gun and liquor store. "I'm here for the Walther and a liter of single malt." Yes. I have a CCP.

I have no compassion for people who riot. Whatever the reason. Fuck 'em.

You HAVE a CCP?

Then why do you post such ignorant shit?

An innocent unarmed teenager died of a gunshot wound.

Z fucked up.

And he's going to lose his CCP for it.

Deal with it.

I live in Florida AND have a CCP
this kid was far from innocent and unarmed. He was over 6 feet and 200 lbs. Most likely scenario was he threw the first punch and got shot while wailing on Z once he knocked him down.
Z did fuck up in my opinion by instigating the whole thing, But the law is probably not going to prove that. Z may walk and if he does he will probably keep his ticket

SIXFOOTER, see the above post.

If you REALLY have a Fl. CCP and didn't know the law of the state, you're a nummy.

If you did, you're a (let me be polite) intellectually dishonest nummy.

Also, please explain how, at the time of the attack, Martin was neither innocent nor unarmed.

[Disciple]

Since I was in kind of a Google state of mind and people keep throwing the term "self defense" around, I thought that this might be of interest:

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013 (Deals with defense of the home - not really relevant here - Disciple)

Note that Martin's use of force has to be unlawful for self defense using non-deadly force to attach. I wonder if the standard for deadly force is lower?

The kicker here is that it doesn't matter if Zimmerman says that he thought the use of force was necessary.

What matters is whether or not the jury thinks that Zimmerman had the belief that deadly force was necessary AND THAT THE BELIEF WAS REASONABLE.

One ponders the question: On top of everything else he has to try to explain away, what is Zimmerman going to say when he's asked whether or not he told Martin before or during the fight that he was a member of the Nieghborhood Watch and that he just wanted to know what Martin was doing in the community. Probably yes, I think.

Next question: Is a jury going to believe that Martin, after having been told this, continued to wail on Zimmerman? Just for fun?

Hmmmmmm.

[Disciple]

One last bit of food for thought:

Use of Deadly Force for Lawful Self-Defense
A Message from Commissioner Adam Putnam
to Concealed Weapon License Holders

To carry a concealed firearm is to take on an immense responsibility. It is very important to understand that a license to carry a concealed weapon does not give the license holder discretionary authority to use that weapon. It is my sincere hope that you will never find it necessary to use your weapon in self-defense; however, if circumstances require you to do so, you should know that the law will protect you only if your actions in using deadly force have been consistent with the law.

[Cracker]

I think the fact that someone manufactured watermelon iced tea is racist. What's next? Fried chicken iced tea? Chitlin chewing gum?

Where will it stop friends? Join me, Rev Jackson, and the Rainbow PUSH in a march on Washington to stop the institutional racism being foisted upon us by the manufacturing oligarchical white devils.

Register today, using password Tawana.

Love - Rev. Al

This was good.

I'll take some of that gum.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

Refusing to follow instructions from police and following M while carrying a firearm.

I don't live in Fl. but I DO have a CCP.

How about you?

911 operator instructions are "suggestions". A police officer did not issue instructions not to follow.

I didn't realize that the only way to invoke a self-defense shooting in Florida was if the other party was also in possession of a weapon. Must have missed that. Thanks for the "heads-up" with that little quirk. When you get a moment, if you'll post a link to the statute specifying this "weapon on weapon" requirement, it would be helpful.

I reside in the Grand Canyon State. CCP? Ha! Surely you jest? My favorite armory in Flagstaff is a combo gun and liquor store. "I'm here for the Walther and a liter of single malt." Yes. I have a CCP.

I have no compassion for people who riot. Whatever the reason. Fuck 'em.

You HAVE a CCP?

Then why do you post such ignorant shit?

An innocent unarmed teenager died of a gunshot wound.

Z fucked up.

And he's going to lose his CCP for it.

Deal with it.

I live in Florida AND have a CCP
this kid was far from innocent and unarmed. He was over 6 feet and 200 lbs. Most likely scenario was he threw the first punch and got shot while wailing on Z once he knocked him down.
Z did fuck up in my opinion by instigating the whole thing, But the law is probably not going to prove that. Z may walk and if he does he will probably keep his ticket

SIXFOOTER, see the above post.

If you REALLY have a Fl. CCP and didn't know the law of the state, you're a nummy.

If you did, you're a (let me be polite) intellectually dishonest nummy.

Also, please explain how, at the time of the attack, Martin was neither innocent nor unarmed.

Well I do in fact have a state issued CCP and I do also know the law as it pertains to the use of deadly force. In the instant that Z shot T, Z can probably prove and convince a jury that he was in fact reasonably in fear for his life and/or safety. He was evedently being pounded into the ground by a 200+ lb 6'+ asshole.
As to T being unarmed, I have no idea how big you are, I am 6'1" and something over 250 lbs with a lot of muscle, ask LC or any cop if they would concider me unarmed if I was pounding on someone.
Intelectually I think this whole thing was started by Z being an idiot. The larger picture is all the black sperm donors and welfare moms that are raising a bunch of thugs and to an even larger extent the black culture in this country that embraces and idolizes thuggery and assholiness instead of following Dr. Kings teachings about taking responsibility and for education.

[Disciple]

SIXFOOTER

I am starting new post because the number of quotes in out discussion is getting unmanageable.

I referred you to the preceding post because I wanted you to look at the statute that makes it mandatory for Z to have his CCP suspended solely because of his arrest.

My point is that, contrary to your previously stated opinion, Z has no RIGHT to a CCP.

As for Martin, the LAW says that he's unarmed. Unarmed means no weapon. It has nothing to do with size.

I'd like to see you respond to my query concerning Z telling Martin that he was Neighborhood Watch and getting the jury to believe that Martin kept wailing on Z just for shits and giggles.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

I saw your reference above, suspension is not the same as revocation. IF he is convicted he will no doubt fave revocation of his CCP along with jail time, fines and all that. If he is not convicted then he will most likely have his CCP reinstated (not guilty, didn't do it, innocent), IF it has in fact been suspended.
T was an idiot, and IF Z did in fact tell T that he was neighborhood watch while T was despensing the ass whooping Z got, I seriously doubt T would have listened to or respected that declaration.
The Law may concider T to have been unarmed, it also does not require an attacker to be armed with a conventional weapon during an attack to justify use of deadly force. Fists and feet can be used to inflict grevious bodily harm and reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.
Last note, Z is innocent until proven guilty, his CCP should not be revoked until that is decided.

[Adub]

Seriously, have you seen the photos of Zimmerman hours after the killing? He has a scratch on his nose, and two small gashes on the back of his head. Zimmerman did not appear to have had his ass whooped. And no black-eyes three days later.

And according to the ME, Trayvon was 71" and 158 lbs.

[Lady Cop]

hearing going on now.

(CNN) -- Prosecutors in Florida asked a judge Friday to revoke bond for George Zimmerman, who is charged with second-degree murder in the death of Trayvon Martin.

Prosecutors argued that Zimmerman "misrepresented, misled and deceived the court" during an April bond hearing about whether he had a U.S. passport and about his family's financial circumstances.

Meanwhile, Zimmerman's defense team and prosecutors will be on the same side in court Friday afternoon fighting media companies' request to release more information in the case.

Seminole County Circuit Court Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. will preside over the hearing. Prosecution and defense lawyers will argue that a host of material should remain sealed. Scott Ponce of the Miami-based law firm Holland & Knight will argue for more disclosure on behalf of various newspapers, TV stations and their parent companies.

The opposing arguments were laid out in motions filed in advance of Friday's hearing.