walking while black - Trayvon Martin

[username]

Give me a fucking break. I can't fathom how anyone would view George as a victom in this case.

If Cracker comes back, and I hope she does, you know what Magical Mock Christmas present she'll be getting from me (framed even).

I misspelled victim.

Oh never mind. I and O are right next to one another on the keyboard. Typo. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[ramseycat]

Maybe Jimbo can give you a hair pull as punishment while you are blowing him.

[username]

Maybe Jimbo can give you a hair pull as punishment while you are blowing him.

I don't typically give blow jobs on the first date.

Now go away. I'm just starting the courting process and I'm waiting for JB to return so I can internet pee on him.

[ramseycat]

I always knew you were into weird shit User.

[Duchess]

[username]

It's all Ramsey's fault.

I feel like I've been waiting forever for something to happen with this case. From a defense standpoint, it's certainly an effective strategy. Maybe my feelings will change when they actually get before a judge but I don't feel near as passionately about this case as I did just after it happened.

[ramseycat]

It HAS been a long time. I bet for GZ it's feels like a life time. I also bet he wishes more than anything he could go back in time and do something different that night than ride around the hood playing police man.

[HairOfTheDog]

It HAS been a long time. I bet for GZ it's feels like a life time. I also bet he wishes more than anything he could go back in time and do something different that night than ride around the hood playing police man.

I'm not convinced that Zimmerman would do anything different. I can't read his mind and don't know whether or not he wishes he'd followed the orders of the 911 dispatcher, which would have meant avoiding the pursuit and ultimate killing of a young man who had every right to be where he was (and was armed only with candy and tea).

I'll wait for the trial and possibly the sentencing portion before I decide whether Mr. Zimmerman is truly remorseful (if evidence shows that he acted wrongfully).

[username]

Whoa! I can't find it online yet but I just saw a photo on CNN that Zimmerman's attorney released supposedly from the night of the shooting. His face definitely looks fucked up!

Doesn't change my opinion in the least but I'm sure it will serve his case well.

I'll keep looking for it.

ETA: still can't find it. I'm sure it will be all over the place later. His nose definitely looked busted up and bloody.

He still shouldn't have followed that kid around though without identifying himself or anything. He deserved an ass whooping.

[username]

Well maybe not so new. I think it's basically this photo but in color.

[username]

Here's a link to the photo and a brief related article. It is the same photo...


http://www.upi.com/blog/2012/12/03/New-p...354560852/

[Midwest Spy]

He still shouldn't have followed that kid around though without identifying himself or anything. He deserved an ass whooping.

You are seriously fucked up.

He deserved an ass-whooping for keeping an eye on someone who fit the description of people who had previously committed crimes in that neighborhood?

Kid was probably pissed that Z spotted him. Who knows what he might've been contemplating.

Good thing Z was armed. Maybe all the other punks in the area will think twice about jumping somebody.

[Duchess]

He deserved an ass-whooping

I agree.

[username]

He still shouldn't have followed that kid around though without identifying himself or anything. He deserved an ass whooping.

You are seriously fucked up.

He deserved an ass-whooping for keeping an eye on someone who fit the description of people who had previously committed crimes in that neighborhood?

Kid was probably pissed that Z spotted him. Who knows what he might've been contemplating.

Good thing Z was armed. Maybe all the other punks in the area will think twice about jumping somebody.

Listen up Mr. IQ of crotch lice,

Again, you're assuming that George was jumped (I guess because he says so). He was sneaking around (whispering on his cell phone) following the guy. He never said "yo', I'm neighborhood watch, what's up"?

If I were bigger, hell yeah, if some guy I didn't know was following me around a neighborhood, I'd sure as hell confront him. Since I"m not, I'd run like a bitch on fire but that's beside the point. Like I said before, maybe T felt in danger.

There are only two people who know for sure what happened in those last few minutes and one is dead.

[Midwest Spy]

He deserved an ass-whooping

I agree.

Well, all you sweet tea lovers sure can be happy he got a couple of good swings in before eating that bullet.

He was a punk from day 1 who apparently didn't count on taking a swing at an armed person.

Just like those kids breaking into the house in MN had no idea they'd die for their actions.

[HairOfTheDog]

He deserved an ass-whooping

I agree.

Well, all you sweet tea lovers sure can be happy he got a couple of good swings in before eating that bullet.

He was a punk from day 1 who apparently didn't count on taking a swing at an armed person.

Jesus Christ. Too bad you can't testify at the trial since you seem to somehow know what happened that night without having been there or seen/heard any evidence supporting what you state definitively as fact.

[Duchess]

I have nothing to add to that.

[username]

Hey fella, he was jumped. Pretty hard to retreat when dude's on top of you pummeling your face.

I thought you were smarter than you're letting on.

How do you know he was jumped? That's a BIG assumption.

ETA: we know for a fact though that G was following T.

What if it went this way:

Trayvon notices Z following him and decided to confront him face to face.

Maybe something like this:

T- Why you following me, man?

Z- Keeping an eye on your ass while you're in this neighborhood.

T- Takes quick swing at him and knocks him to the ground, and proceeds to get on top and continues to punch.

Z- Pulls gun, and kills him instantly with one shot.

Is that scenario any better for your client (T)?

Would you be cool with some adult male not in any uniform following your 17 y/o kid around a neighborhood without identifying himself? He's not that age yet, but I imagine my son would be scared. He'd probably either think the guy was going to hurt him or he was some creepy perv. Neither good.

First of all, my kid would never be 'profiled' since white teens are about 10 times less likely to be committing the crimes in that neighborhood.

Here's what surprises me about you defenders of Trayvon. You all say that he had every right to be where he was that night and was doing nothing wrong.

What if he was getting ready to case something? Ever thought about that? I mean, his dad thought he was with his cousin. Maybe he was the perp in earlier crimes in that neighborhood? Criminals don't like to have people watch them. Makes them nervous. Somebody with nothing to hide wouldn't think anything of it. Especially if they were heading straight home.

He was no innocent kid. There's a reason no one wants his MySpace/FaceBook pics made public. He was a wannabe thug. I still haven't been able to verify that he assaulted that bus driver. Funny, but the ACLU and every other bleeding heart I'm sure would like to keep that quiet. That would blow his 'innocent little kid' cover.

I copied your post in to here so we could continue our chat in the right location.


George was a thug before he was a cop wannabe, right? Plus, he's a liar as HotD pointed out. You have a lot of "maybes" in your post. Plus, you say criminals don't want to be watched/followed. Innocent people (myself included) don't either!

I'm not saying Trayvon was an angel but George could have handled the whole situation VERY differently and nobody would be dead. He could have stood back as suggested, he could have identified himself...something. He was hoping to bust somebody in the act and ended up killing the kid.

[Duchess]

If he assaulted someone, and that person had a gun, and used it to kill him, well then, yes, I guess he 'deserved' to die.

If it can be proven that he didn't assault/jump Zimmerman, than no, he didn't deserve to die, and Z should do at least 25 yrs-life.

George instigated this entire thing, it's his fault. One cannot stealthy follow someone & then state he feared for his life to the extent he had to kill the person.

[Midwest Spy]

George was a thug before he was a cop wannabe, right? Plus, he's a liar as HotD pointed out. You have a lot of "maybes" in your post. Plus, you say criminals don't want to be watched/followed. Innocent people (myself included) don't either!

I'm not saying Trayvon was an angel but George could have handled the whole situation VERY differently and nobody would be dead. He could have stood back as suggested, he could have identified himself...something. He was hoping to bust somebody in the act and ended up killing the kid.

The exasperation in Z's voice when he says 'they always get away' explains why he continued to follow and keep an eye on T.

As a homeowner, I'd be ecstatic that the guy we appointed as 'neighborhood watch' decided to make sure this guy wasn't going to commit any crimes on his watch.

Everyone's waiting for the evidence to 'come out' but there have been excerpts from eyewitness testimony already. One gal for sure saw T on top of Z 'pummeling him'.

For everybody saying 'T' had every right to be where he was, haven't we covered this? I thought he was taking a short-cut through a gated community, which to me, if I didn't live there, would seem 'out of bounds' to me (but I'm not a criminal). If this is not correct, someone please let me know.

Tensions were high in that neighborhood. It was the perfect storm coming together.