walking while black - Trayvon Martin

[Adub]

He's not going to win a SYG.


moo

I wish I shared your confidence, sweetie.

First off Judge nelson is good. She is smart and goes by the law.

Zimmerman cannot win on an Immunity hearing because he pursued and provoked the entire tragedy. So Zimmerman is what is called the "initial aggressor".

He chased after the kid. The SYG law excludes the statute for someone who was the initial aggressor. So no immunity for Georgie. Even his lawyer admits it.

But, he can still go for self-defense at trial, and the jury can find that the it was a justifiable homicide. Or some lesser included like manslaughter.

[HairOfTheDog]

He's not going to win a SYG.


moo

I wish I shared your confidence, sweetie.

First off Judge nelson is good. She is smart and goes by the law.

Zimmerman cannot win on an Immunity hearing because he pursued and provoked the entire tragedy. So Zimmerman is what is called the "initial aggressor".

He chased after the kid. The SYG law excludes the statute for someone who was the initial aggressor. So no immunity for Georgie. Even his lawyer admits it.

But, he can still go for self-defense at trial, and the jury can find that the it was a justifiable homicide. Or some lesser included like manslaughter.

I agree. Zimmerman's lawyer, O'Mara, isn't even claiming a Stand Your Ground defense at this point. He is just using the self-defense immunity (from prosecution) hearing opportunity that was put into effect when the Stand Your Ground law was passed, if I understand correctly.

The immunity hearing is slated for April 22^nd and immunity will be denied; this is going to trial, imo.

Ref (O'Mara's statements on SYG):
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national...-1.1275249

Next week, Tuesday 3/5/13, will be a hearing regarding O'Mara's desire to obtain footage from ABC television. I'm not sure if it's in relation to Zimmerman and his brother's ill-conceived tv appearances early on (maybe the prosecution plans to use the originals?) or if the defense is after some other discovery related to ABC.

Do you know, Adub? Here's the very brief court doc.
http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents...earing.pdf

[HairOfTheDog]

^ Defense just posted an amendment to the March 5^th hearing doc; includes information related to Witness 8's and Trayvon Martin's Twitter and Facebook.

Amended doc:
http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents...3-5-13.pdf

[Adub]

^ Defense just posted an amendment to the March 5^th hearing doc; includes information related to Witness 8's and Trayvon Martin's Twitter and Facebook/

Amended doc:
http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents...3-5-13.pdf

ABC is also about W#8.

[HairOfTheDog]

^ Defense just posted an amendment to the March 5^th hearing doc; includes information related to Witness 8's and Trayvon Martin's Twitter and Facebook/

Amended doc:
http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents...3-5-13.pdf

ABC is also about W#8.

Thanks Adub.

Just found the background info; I see that Zimmerman's lawyers contend that the ABC tape they received (of Crump interviewing Witness 8) is incomplete and edited.

Ref:
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/01/23/...recordings

P.s. I read for a couple of minutes at The Treehouse; nuts up in there.

[Adub]

^ Defense just posted an amendment to the March 5^th hearing doc; includes information related to Witness 8's and Trayvon Martin's Twitter and Facebook/

Amended doc:
http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents...3-5-13.pdf

ABC is also about W#8.

Thanks Adub.

Just found the background info; I see that Zimmerman's lawyers contend that the ABC tape they received (of Crump interviewing Witness 8) is incomplete and edited.

Ref:
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/01/23/...recordings

P.s. I read for a couple of minutes at The Treehouse; nuts up in there.

The Treepers and their conspiracy theories.

I think that might be where Cracker's been hanging out.

They are so not racist.

[HairOfTheDog]

The defense should just depose witness 8 already, they're still using legal stall tactics in order to raise more money, imo. I think the Zimmerman judge has had enough of the delay attempts and this is going to trial on June 10^th, period. But, still interested in the outcome of tomorrow's hearing.

This is snipped from an article published last week on the one year anniversary of the killing.

As of January 2, the fund had raised $314,099, according to a web site established by Zimmerman's legal team to solicit contributions to help pay for the defense effort. That's up from the $180,000 Zimmerman raised on his own before turning the money over to his lawyer last year.

What's the money been used for? The biggest single expense remains the $95,000 bond to secure his release from jail. The fund has also paid $61,747.54 in living expenses for Zimmerman and his wife, who are now living in an undisclosed rental home, at a price his legal team describes as "reasonable," in Seminole County, Florida. Other expenses include $56,100 for security, a little more than $76,000 in expenses for the law firm and the case, and $3,201 in miscellaneous expenses. Those include Zimmerman's GPS monitoring fees, office supplies and the occasional pizza for interns on the case, who work for free, according to the web site.

"The state has virtually unlimited resources to prosecute George," the web site reads. "To finance his defense, however, George relies on the generosity of individuals who believe he is innocent."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/25/justice/fl...n-5-things


If only it were true that states had unlimited resources for prosecution. That's bullshit.

This publicly-financed defense technique looks to bes gaining popularity, even though there are public defenders available. There's now a website defense page asking for donations for Brenda Stokes, the Vegas woman who stabbed her fiancée's 10 year old daughter to death.

[Midwest Spy]

The Treepers and their conspiracy theories.

I think that might be where Cracker's been hanging out.

They are so not racist.

Adub, just wondering why you're so for Trayvon in this case?

I'm not prejudiced or racist, but have no problem believing that he (Trayvon) initiated the physical confrontation, which to me, brings SYG into effect.

And, I don't care that Zimmerman was following him, and most likely, lost sight of him.

Is it simply because Zimmerman is a fat Spic?

I'd love to know why you feel the way you do.

[Duchess]

George is the initial aggressor & that goddamn well better be taken into account. Fat fuck. I'd like to jump on his back & pummel him into the ground. He deserves every moment of the misery he's been living the past year.

[Midwest Spy]

This seems to be a point of contention.

The definition of 'aggressor'.

Noun: aggressor - someone who attacks

I do believe this will either make or break both sides' case.

Can it be proven that Zimmerman 'instigated' a physical confrontation or was he jumped and sucker punched?

[Duchess]

George instigated it by following that kid.

[Midwest Spy]

George instigated it by following that kid.

See, this is what makes the world go 'round.

You and I are too (for Ramsey) intelligent adults, who have the same facts in front of us, and we differ in opinion on this.

I'll be interested in seeing how this turns out.

[Duchess]

It's not okay to follow someone in a covert manner.

[Sphincter Cop]

Guilty or innocent, I doubt this trial will be fair. His defense "team" will need to be on the ball. Then again, I am sure the Casey Anthony jury will be available.

[username]

Trayvon was standing his ground. If some unidentified stranger was following me around, I might jump him too.

That's probably about the 100'th time I've typed that.

[Midwest Spy]

Trayvon was standing his ground. If some unidentified stranger was following me around, I might jump him too.

That's probably about the 100'th time I've typed that.

I disagree.

Also my 100^th time.

[Jimbone]

If some unidentified stranger was following me around, I might jump him too.

That's because you are a dirty whore.

[username]

If some unidentified stranger was following me around, I might jump him too.

That's because you are a dirty whore.

Haha! He'd have to fit the Asian profile first.

[ramseycat]

George instigated it by following that kid.

See, this is what makes the world go 'round.

You and I are too (for Ramsey) intelligent adults, who have the same facts in front of us, and we differ in opinion on this.

I'll be interested in seeing how this turns out.

Get off Crackers fucking bandwagon asshole. I notice how you never throw a barb her way. Too afraid she will turn her wrath on you? You're such a pussy.

[Midwest Spy]

George instigated it by following that kid.

See, this is what makes the world go 'round.

You and I are too (for Ramsey) intelligent adults, who have the same facts in front of us, and we differ in opinion on this.

I'll be interested in seeing how this turns out.

Get off Crackers fucking bandwagon asshole. I notice how you never throw a barb her way. Too afraid she will turn her wrath on you? You're such a pussy.

Ramsey, when you make a ton of spelling/grammatical errors, you will be called out on it.

If LC were here, she'd be busting your balls far more than I do.

I'm no 'buddy' to Cracker, and she knows it.