walking while black - Trayvon Martin

[F.U.]

I am gettin a little off topic here but, After reading back through some of the posts in this thread and seeing all the call the cops comments I am left wondering how many people would get involved should they see someone fucking with a neighbors home, auto etc. I came from the school of, ya see someone breaking into the neighbors shit you have someone else in the house make the call and you go over and pull the little fucker out of the neighbors window and teach him a lesson until the cops show up. Am I the only one here that feels that way?

[sally]

I'd just call the cops and stay in my house. I'm not going to play hero and get myself shot over someone stealing the neighbors trinket box.

[Duchess]

I'd call the cops but I'd be afraid to confront someone. Matter of fact I don't think I'd tell Cowboy because I know he WOULD confront the person.

[HairOfTheDog]

I am gettin a little off topic here but, After reading back through some of the posts in this thread and seeing all the call the cops comments I am left wondering how many people would get involved should they see someone fucking with a neighbors home, auto etc. I came from the school of, ya see someone breaking into the neighbors shit you have someone else in the house make the call and you go over and pull the little fucker out of the neighbors window and teach him a lesson until the cops show up. Am I the only one here that feels that way?

I would probably try to scare the person off and call police.

However, Trayvon was not breaking into anyone's home. He was walking in the complex where he was staying, at night, in the rain, with a hoodie on. He was not in the commission of a crime.

Zimmerman reported Trayvon as suspicious because he didn't recognize him and there had been break-ins in the area recently; some of those culprits had gotten away. Zimmerman did not report or follow Trayvon because Trayvon was doing anything illegal, just that he found him suspicious.

[F.U.]

I am gettin a little off topic here but, After reading back through some of the posts in this thread and seeing all the call the cops comments I am left wondering how many people would get involved should they see someone fucking with a neighbors home, auto etc. I came from the school of, ya see someone breaking into the neighbors shit you have someone else in the house make the call and you go over and pull the little fucker out of the neighbors window and teach him a lesson until the cops show up. Am I the only one here that feels that way?

I would probably try to scare the person off and call police.

However, Trayvon was not breaking into anyone's home. He was walking in the complex where he was staying, at night, in the rain, with a hoodie on. He was not in the commission of a crime.

Zimmerman reported Trayvon as suspicious because he didn't recognize him and there had been break-ins in the area recently; some of those culprits had gotten away. Zimmerman did not report or follow Trayvon because Trayvon was doing anything illegal.

I know that HOTD, I was asking a related question that was , as I said, getting off topic.

[sally]

ETA: I've never understood Zimmerman's claimed logic that identifying himself as NW and/or telling Trayvon that police were en route would cause, rather than diffuse, a confrontation. It's counter-intuitive to me; seems more like Zimmerman simply didn't want Trayvon to get away, rather than that he was attempting to avoid confrontation. This is something I'm looking forward to hearing Zimmerman address in court. I hope he testifies.

It was most likely because he was determined not to let him get away, and it actually helps back up his story that Martin attacked him and reached for his gun while telling him he's going to die tonight. Had he told him that he was NW and police were on the way that scenario would be even less likely to happen.

[HairOfTheDog]

I know that HOTD, I was asking a related question that was , as I said, getting off topic.

I'm a focused sort. Sorry you got a little more than asked for.

[Cynical Ninja]

I am gettin a little off topic here but, After reading back through some of the posts in this thread and seeing all the call the cops comments I am left wondering how many people would get involved should they see someone fucking with a neighbors home, auto etc. I came from the school of, ya see someone breaking into the neighbors shit you have someone else in the house make the call and you go over and pull the little fucker out of the neighbors window and teach him a lesson until the cops show up. Am I the only one here that feels that way?

I've seen the day when I would have done the same as you but not these days.

There are too many druggies out there burgling houses off their faces on Christ knows what, they could easily turn on you in a drug fuelled haze and knife you in the guts.

I'm not prepared to leave my family and friends grieving for me because I tried to stop a crack addict stealing someones DVD player.

[Cynical Ninja]

It was most likely because he was determined not to let him get away, and it actually helps back up his story that Martin attacked him and reached for his gun while telling him he's going to die tonight. Had he told him that he was NW and police were on the way that scenario would not be likely.

It seems to me zimmerman engineered the situation as much as possible so he could be hailed the all conquering hero afterwards.

Boy did that fucking backfire! Fact is Trayvon had no fucking clue who zimmerman was he could have been anybody.

Identifying himself as working for the local neighbourhood watch WOULD have helped diffuse the situation. Imagine how Trayvon must have felt when he was struggling with zimmerman a complete stranger following him and realised he was packing?

[Duchess]

Here are some of the pix that were recently released. It's said that the hearing next week will determine if they can be used.

T blowing smoke rings -



When I first heard about the gun photo I was left with the impression it showed T holding it, obviously that's not the case -



So?



T -



T's hoodie -



George beaten so close to death he feared for his life -



Georgie porgie -

[Cynical Ninja]

I had worse facial injuries than that the last time I had a shave while I was still half asleep in the morning.

[HairOfTheDog]

I expected the photos to be much more salacious than they are; based on how they were described.

Even if the Judge allows them in (personally, I don't think that she will), I don't see them as terribly damning to Trayvon Martin. JMO.

[Adub]

The judge is not letting any of the photos in. O'Mara knows that. He also knew that the prosecutor had filed a motion to have Trayvon's cellphone excluded. The prosecutor files the motion to exclude evidence, and three days later, before the judge can rule, O'Mara posts it all up on his website. What he did was backhanded, for sure. And intentional.

[HairOfTheDog]

^ This is the third time that de la Rionda is requesting a gag order. Since she denied the previous two gag requests, kinda doubt that Judge Nelson will gag O'Mara this time either.

But, maybe because it's so close to the trial and jury selection, the prosecutor has a better chance of having his motion granted.

I don't know how much more O'Mara has even gathered in terms of texts/photos; a lot was released just this week. But, I think the gag order would apply to interviews as well?

[Cynical Ninja]

I will be interested to hear the opinion of certain members on the fact that zimmerman has barely a mark on his face after the “so close to death he feared for his life” assault by Trayvon.

[HairOfTheDog]

State's Third Request for Gag Order

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0513/052313_gag3.pdf

The request seeks to gag counsel from making statements/comments about the case to media or via websites and social media.

Photographs and such aren't specifically called out; don't know if they're covered by this gag order request or not - maybe all covered in the cell phone exclusion motion.

[Adub]

Its purpose would be to gag O'Mara and West. I saw O'M on HLN. He flat out said he didn't expect the cell phone info to be used at trial, but he felt it was important for the public to have more 3D image of Trayvon. He complained about the earlier images of Trayvon put out by the media and said that wasn't fair.

The public? Really O'Mara? What part of the public is involved in this trial? Oh, that's right. Jurors. Hmmm, so O'M wanted to make sure potential jurors had the inside scoop to Trayvon's private life?

Kind of interesting that the previous judge said no to anything found on Zimmerman's phone. Zimmerman's cell phone info is exempt, not relevant.

[Cynical Ninja]

Kind of interesting that the previous judge said no to anything found on Zimmerman's phone. Zimmerman's cell phone info is exempt, not relevant.

So the defence can trawl through Trayvons phone looking for shit to fling at his character but the prosecution can't do the same with Zimmermans phone?

[ramseycat]

The bottom line is that G had no idea who T was or what his past was and he pursued him despite being told to stand down. T didn't beat G's ass to the point where G needed to shoot him. G overreacted and now he has to pay the price. The defense can paint T to be a punk ass thug but it doesn't change the fact that AT THE TIME of the incident he was just walking home from the store. Those are the facts and they are undisputed. (Said in my Kevin Bacon voice )

[SIXFOOTERsez]

Kind of interesting that the previous judge said no to anything found on Zimmerman's phone. Zimmerman's cell phone info is exempt, not relevant.

So the defence can trawl through Trayvons phone looking for shit to fling at his character but the prosecution can't do the same with Zimmermans phone?

I think thats based on the premise by the prosecution that T was an innocent law abiding boy scout that just happened to be black and wearing a hoodie, the defense alleges that in fact T was at least a wannabe thug like most young black kids here in the US.
Anything that is on Z's phone as it applies to the case happened after the incident.