walking while black - Trayvon Martin

[username]

T allegedly also didn't have any of G's DNA under his nails despite supposedly grabbing Z's bald head and repeatedly smashing his head into the ground.

When I picture someone doing that, their fingers are clawed.

[Adub]

If T did punch Z in and around the piehole 25 times as some people seem to be suggesting then surely he would have had some injuries or damage to his hands?

And there has still been no attempt to explain how T didn't have any of Zs blood on his hands.

Anyone like to have a go?

George had a fight with a bush? Or a low hanging tree branch? Slipped and fell on his fat ass in the wet grass? Ran into the dog poop station? Lot's of options for the big fat liar. He even stated that he he hit his head on a sign, maybe. It was pitch dark.

[HairOfTheDog]

^ This looks to me like someone who got punched in the nose.


^ 45 minutes later, this does not look to me like someone who was punched in the nose 25+ times under any circumstances, much less with such force that Zimmerman thought Travyon had something in his hand at the time (per his videotaped police interview that night).


IMO, the extent of Zimmerman's injuries doesn't match up with his account of the altercation. I think the defense will claim that Zimmerman was confused by the attack and the head bashing, and in such fear for his life, that he truly believed he'd been hit way more times than he had.

That's the only way I can see the defense addressing the inconsistencies between George's claims as compared to the on-scene medical evaluation and the photos taken at the police station shortly after the shooting.

Such a defense claim would also help to explain why Trayvon did not have a lot of George's blood on his person or torn up hands.

Very possible to grab someone's head with both hands without digging your nails into their scalp; that could be easily demonstrated and explain why Trayvon had no DNA under his nails.

This is only speculation as to how the defense will address these issues and troubling questions for Zimmerman.

[Cynical Ninja]

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George had a fight with a bush? Or a low hanging tree branch? Slipped and fell on his fat ass in the wet grass? Ran into the dog poop station? Lot's of options for the big fat liar. He even stated that he he hit his head on a sign, maybe. It was pitch dark.

Any of those scenarios are a possibility especially when you consider Z was under the influence of two kinds or barbituate and one kind of amphetamine on the night of the shooting.

[Cynical Ninja]

T allegedly also didn't have any of G's DNA under his nails despite supposedly grabbing Z's bald head and repeatedly smashing his head into the ground.

When I picture someone doing that, their fingers are clawed.

No blood. No DNA. No dice.

Most physical evidence suggests T had minimum physical contact with Z.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

Z did not get "Punched" 25 times anywhere. That implies that T had the skills to throw a proper punch and land everyone of them, that didn't happen. T probably had Z down on his back and was just windmilling him, thats what the hood rats do. Check out youtube, there are many hood rat beat downs on there. T got in a few decent shots on Z's face, Z blocked most of them. 45 minutes after the "fight" he didn't look too bad, thats not surprising either. I have taken pretty good punches to the face on occasion and only a red mark that was gone in minutes. Z has some color on him so it may not show.
If T has Zs head and was bashing in on the ground he wouldn't have anything under his nails unless he scratched Z, I saw no scratches.

[HairOfTheDog]

Z did not get "Punched" 25 times anywhere. That implies that T had the skills to throw a proper punch and land everyone of them, that didn't happen. T probably had Z down on his back and was just windmilling him, thats what the hood rats do. Check out youtube, there are many hood rat beat downs on there. T got in a few decent shots on Z's face, Z blocked most of them. 45 minutes after the "fight" he didn't look too bad, thats not surprising either. I have taken pretty good punches to the face on occasion and only a red mark that was gone in minutes. Z has some color on him so it may not show.
If T has Zs head and was bashing in on the ground he wouldn't have anything under his nails unless he scratched Z, I saw no scratches.

Your speculation is inconsistent with George's direct statements to police.

George didn't say he fended off around 25 blows, he said he had actually been punched (contact had been made) up to 25 times. I believe he said between 25 and 30 in a later account. This inconsistency between George's version of events and his injuries was something that caused suspicion from the start and was noted in detective Serino's early reports.

Zimmerman had told officers both at the scene the night of the shooting and afterwards that Martin knocked him down with a punch to his face and then banged his head against the pavement with such force he felt his "head was exploding." He had also stated Martin had punched him up to 25 times, something Serino said was inconsistent with Zimmerman's injuries.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerma...azmyZxtFx0

[Cynical Ninja]

Z did not get "Punched" 25 times anywhere. That implies that T had the skills to throw a proper punch and land everyone of them, that didn't happen. T probably had Z down on his back and was just windmilling him, thats what the hood rats do. Check out youtube, there are many hood rat beat downs on there. T got in a few decent shots on Z's face, Z blocked most of them. 45 minutes after the "fight" he didn't look too bad, thats not surprising either. I have taken pretty good punches to the face on occasion and only a red mark that was gone in minutes. Z has some color on him so it may not show.
If T has Zs head and was bashing in on the ground he wouldn't have anything under his nails unless he scratched Z, I saw no scratches.

T did beat the crap out of Z, T didn't beat the crap out of Z, which is it? If T was “windmilling” and only caught Z with a few “decent” shots does that jusify Zs rather drastic course of action?

T wouldn't have to scratch and break the skin to get Zs DNA under his fingernails. The police take DNA samples from people they arrest without breaking the skin they just swab inside the mouth with a Q tip.

“Hood rat”? “Monkey”? Its becoming increasingly obvious to everyone why you are determined to lay the blame on T.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

I blame both of them for being ignorant products of their cultures. T was a hood rat wannabe thug. Z was a testosterone poisoned cop wannabe cowboy. Pretty bad combo when they get together.T did beat the crap out of Z, he did not land anything like 25 good punches.
Get your reading comprehension skills tuned up. Read, Figure t out

[Duchess]

I like to psychoanalyze George. I think his small stature played a role in why he carried a gun & I think wearing that gun made him too big for his britches. He was bold & wouldn't have been if he weren't carrying and I don't believe he would have been out on a dark, rainy night without it, it made him brave enough to follow T. I don't think I'm ever going to be able to get past the fact he followed T. I'm hung up on that.

[Cynical Ninja]

T did beat the crap out of Z

The photographs of Zs face taken 45 minutes after the shooting simply do not indicate that at all.

Apart from the slightly cut and swollen nose there is not a mark on him completely inconsistent with having had the “crap beaten” out of him 45 minutes earlier.

[Adub]

For what it's worth, I think those police photos were taken around midnight. The 45 minutes is when George arrived at the police station. The photos were taken about 3 or 4 hours later.

[sally]

If he had the crap beat out of him, he would have been taken away in an ambulance. Not wait until the next day to go to a quick care clinic.

[username]

Thanks Adub. According to the link Adub posted, George lied and told the nurse assistant he saw the next day that the EMT's told him his nose was likely broken. That wasn't the case.

[Duchess]

Aha! Another lie.

[username]

Aha! Another lie.

I'm beginning to see why Adub always refers to him as a big, fat liar.

I hope all of this is proven in court.

[crash]

I have to admit that I have not been following thise case. Have no interest in it. But on the few thins I've read here and there, there seems to be an interest from the gun nut lobby to back the white guy. Is that the case with all your gun related draths like this where it's not that black and white (pardon the pun)? Do they feel threatened that there is a rolling snowball of things gathering towards a push for gun reform? Or is it just inherent redneck nature?

[username]

It's more often that mass murders bring out whacky people on both sides. Those screaming for major reforms and the gun lovers circling their wagons against most change.

[crash]

You still got to wonder how tough George would have been without the 9mm..

[HairOfTheDog]

For what it's worth, I think those police photos were taken around midnight. The 45 minutes is when George arrived at the police station. The photos were taken about 3 or 4 hours later.

Thanks for the clarification, Adub.

That makes me believe even less that George's claim of being punched around 25 times is accurate.

If he'd been punched in the face that many times, I think it would be all the more apparent after a few hours than after 45 minutes (with more time for bruising and swelling to set in).

For thread accuracy, correction to post #2043

^ After the incident, pic shot by on-scene police officer's cell phone:
This looks to me like someone who got punched in the nose.


^ Some time later the same night/early morning at the police station:
This does not look to me like someone who was punched in the nose 25+ times under any circumstances, much less with such force that Zimmerman thought Travyon had something in his hand at the time (per his videotaped police interview that night).