walking while black - Trayvon Martin

[BlueTiki]

I understand tubbie's former trainer, Adam Pollock (now a rebuttal witness for the prosecution), was arrested for attacking a woman with a knife back in March.

I wonder if she was black?

[Duchess]

tubbie's former trainer, Adam Pollock (now a rebuttal witness for the prosecution)

I think this is the guy who was just asked if the training he gave George is being marketed on his website to which he replied absolutely not.

He may have some explaining to do -

[BlueTiki]

This shit keeps getting better and better.

[Duchess]

I don't know why anyone would want to publicly admit they gave that pansyass any training. According to a lot of the testimony recently George couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag.

[BlueTiki]

Kokopelli motto:

"Get on your back, pretend to submit and then shoot them point blank."

[username]

Shit, if you look in the videos, they have Pollock's testimony at the trial on their website. *snicker*

[HairOfTheDog]

The attorneys and judge will meet tomorrow morning to go over witness issues and jury instructions. Some significant issues will be decided then.

Regarding the charges:
The prosecution wants the jury to be able to consider lesser charges of Manslaughter and Aggravated Assault.

The defense objected. The defense likely doesn't want the jury to have the option of anything but Murder 2 because it doesn't believe that the prosecution has met the burden of proof for the jury. They want all or nothing; IMO.

Justifiable Use of Deadly Force - Stand Your Ground issues/instructions will also be addressed tomorrow morning.

Rebuttal Witness:
The prosecution wants to call the law enforcement officer who was assaulted by George Zimmerman several years back (defense said the charges were dropped to misdemeanor quickly).

This witness may not be available to testify tomorrow. The prosecution really needs this witness, imo. Not only to challenge the defense's claim that George was too soft to get physical, but also to let the jury see that George not only assaulted someone, but an LEO no less. That serves to indirectly challenge the image of George as the most law abiding citizen ever and Trayvon as therefore a thug for engaging in altercation with him. IMO.

[HairOfTheDog]

Schedule for the Remainder of Trial / Week - Confirmed

-Thursday morning, starting at 9 am ET:
Judge Nelson and attorneys address issues highlighted above (outside of jury presence).

-Thursday afternoon, starting at 1 pm ET:
Prosecution and Defense closing arguments begin (expected to last 3 hours each).

-Friday morning, starting at 9 am ET:
Prosecution rebuttal argument.
(I think it's a good decision to have the prosecution closing presented by prosecutor Guy - he's the strongest of the team.)

-Friday afternoon:
Jury instructions and deliberations begin.

HOTD: Edited for accuracy

[BlueTiki]

Rebuttal Witness:
The prosecution wants to call the law enforcement officer who was assaulted by George Zimmerman several years back (defense said the charges were dropped to misdemeanor quickly).

It's gonna be tough for the prosecution to explain why such a serious act of violence on a LEO didn't prevent tubbie from legally owning and possessing (CCP) a firearm.

This use of this witness doesn't feel right . . .

[HairOfTheDog]

^ It could get messy. I think the prosecution is desperate at this point though. JMO.

We know from witness testimony that Zimmerman's uncle works in a sheriff's department and I think there's a judge in the family too. I don't know if that has anything to do with the charges being reduced to misdemeanor, thereby not forbidding gun ownership. May be no relevance whatsoever.

I wanna hear from that LEO about what really happened when Zimmerman assaulted him. But, not expecting too much based on the fact that several prosecution witnesses seemed more like defense witness throughout the trial, IMO.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

Rebuttal Witness:
The prosecution wants to call the law enforcement officer who was assaulted by George Zimmerman several years back (defense said the charges were dropped to misdemeanor quickly).

It's gonna be tough for the prosecution to explain why such a serious act of violence on a LEO didn't prevent tubbie from legally owning and possessing (CCP) a firearm.

This use of this witness doesn't feel right . . .

Agreed, I have seen a couple cases where a guy got arrested for BLEO and it got pled way down. Usually because the battery charge was BS in the first place. The fact that they let it go says a lot, its not something they usually do. If they get a chance to ram that one home, they do it.

[BlueTiki]

I wanna hear from that LEO about what really happened when Zimmerman assaulted him. But, not expecting too much based on the fact that several prosecution witnesses seemed more like defense witness throughout the trial, IMO.

Admitting a past act of violence by tubbie . . .

Seems only fair to do the same with Skittles, too.

[Duchess]

Will Judge Nelson allow for aggravated assault and manslaughter to be included? She'll rule on that tomorrow or Friday.

I avoid looking at George. I have some compassion for him when I see his fat face.

[username]

I wanna hear from that LEO about what really happened when Zimmerman assaulted him. But, not expecting too much based on the fact that several prosecution witnesses seemed more like defense witness throughout the trial, IMO.

Admitting a past act of violence by tubbie . . .

Seems only fair to do the same with Skittles, too.

I may be wrong but is it because Z had that one witness who testified to his character after her home invasion? There haven't really been any T character witnesses...right?

[HairOfTheDog]

I wanna hear from that LEO about what really happened when Zimmerman assaulted him. But, not expecting too much based on the fact that several prosecution witnesses seemed more like defense witness throughout the trial, IMO.

Admitting a past act of violence by tubbie . . .

Seems only fair to do the same with Skittles, too.

I may be wrong but is it because Z had that one witness who testified to his character after her home invasion? There haven't really been any T character witnesses...right?

I think you're right. The defense opened the door to character issues many times with its witnesses.

It makes sense, to me, that the act of violence/anger would therefore be allowed in to rebut. I just heard Nancy Grace talking about how Zimmerman was ordered to pre-trial intervention (anger management) as a result of that assault charge as well.

Nobody's gotten up and testified about Trayvon Martin's good acts or good character and, as far as I know, Trayvon Martin has no criminal record.

Just speculating; don't know the specific legalities as they apply to this case. We'll see what the attorneys and judge have to say about it tomorrow.

If the witness testifies, sure hope he doesn't seem as reluctant and ill-prepared as some of the other prosecution witnesses.

[username]

Plus it rebuts the defense argument that George was soft and a total pussy. I think it should be allowed. Has that decision been made yet?

[HairOfTheDog]

Plus it rebuts the defense argument that George was soft and a total pussy. I think it should be allowed. Has that decision been made yet?

Yes, that's what I think could be the biggest advantage to his testimony, depending on the nature/level of the assault he describes.

I believe that Judge Nelson will decide tomorrow whether the witness can testify (assuming he's available):

Prosecutor Richard Mantei told the court Wednesday that the state may call a plainclothes ATF agent to speak about a 2005 arrest of Zimmerman, on charges the defense says were later dismissed. But it's unknown if this witness will be available, and Nelson has said she will consider the defense's argument that he shouldn't testify regardless because they say that 8-year-old incident is irrelevant.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/justice/zimmerman-trial/

I think the prosecution really needs this witness. But, I find it odd that prosecutors claim the witness might not be available to testify. Really? Makes me wonder if the witness is somewhat reluctant or the state is undecided whether he could hurt rather than help them for some reason.

Tomorrow will definitely be an interesting day of arguments and rulings, even before closing arguments begin in the afternoon.

[BlueTiki]

Plus it rebuts the defense argument that George was soft and a total pussy.

The assault took place over 6 years ago and I have no idea who was victorious.

How would you prove he was in the same physical condition at the time of both assaults?

[ramseycat]

Will Judge Nelson allow for aggravated assault and manslaughter to be included? She'll rule on that tomorrow or Friday.

I avoid looking at George. I have some compassion for him when I see his fat face.

Because he isn't a killer or criminal. He is a dumbass wannabe. I think he pulled the gun to scare Trayvon and to get T off him and to hold him until police arrived and he accidentally pulled the trigger. Now he can't admit that and has to try and sell self defense.

[username]

Plus it rebuts the defense argument that George was soft and a total pussy.

The assault took place over 6 years ago and I have no idea who was victorious.

How would you prove he was in the same physical condition at the time of both assaults?

Despite the gym owner's testimony, G looked pretty damn fit when he and T tussled. If G was in worse shape when he was charged with the assault, it just goes to show that he wasn't always the scaredy cat he claims to be.

Who was victorious is irrelevant. It shows an aggressive pattern vs. a softie/passive personality.