walking while black - Trayvon Martin

[Duchess]

I said a lot of snarky things about George (and meant them all sincerely) but that t-shirt with him in the cross hairs is going too far.

[Duchess]

Someone has put Martin Luther King in a hoodie. Jesus Christ.

[Cynical Ninja]

Someone has put Martin Luther King in a hoodie. Jesus Christ.

That is fucking ridiculous.

[HairOfTheDog]

I said a lot of snarky things about George (and meant them all sincerely) but that t-shirt with him in the cross hairs is going too far.

It's a stupid shirt and extreme.

I remember some of the Casey Anthony and O.J. shirts too. I don't think a lot of people buy them; just the extremists.




I found the widely broadcast words and tweets of George's brother, Robert Jr. (posted upthread), to be the most extreme and idiotic sentiments that I've seen about the case. He compared Trayvon Martin (with text and side by side photos) to the black kid arrested for shooting and killing a white baby. Then, he compared the charges against George to the crucifixion of Jesus.

Freedom of expression; even morons have it.

[username]

Everyone is talking about this:

[Duchess]

Everyone is talking about this:

Woooo. That was very, VERY good, huh. I'm satisfied with that for George. I knew he wouldn't be free the way I define free.

In the moments before the verdict was read the other night I had an attack of conscience, I thought about how frightened he must have been feeling as he waited to hear his fate.

[Maggot]

Ah........So thats what a black guy in America feels like every morning. Hmmmmmm.

[Duchess]

She didn't waste any time -

MIAMI (AP) — One of the six jurors in the George Zimmerman trial is planning to write a book.

Martin Literary Management announced Monday that it is representing the woman known as Juror B37 and her husband, who is an attorney. The names of the jurors have not been released, but during jury selection it was disclosed that B37 works in an unspecified management position and has two adult children.

In a statement, Martin Literary said the book would focus on what it is like to be sequestered and why B37 felt she had no choice but to acquit Zimmerman. The agency said it is approaching several publishers

Zimmerman was acquitted late Saturday by a Florida jury of second-degree murder charges for last year's fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

Story

[sally]

That letter annoyed me more than that fat fuck Zimmerman. Stupid fucking nigger.

[HairOfTheDog]

The prosecution team in this case has faced criticism on a variety of points, including the lack of evidence, witness testimony and credibility, and ultimately, the verdict. To help unveil how the Zimmerman trial unfolded for prosecutors and to answer the questions so many people are asking, Vinnie Politan sits down with prosecutors Corey and Bernie De la Rionda.

The full interview tonight is at 10 p.m. ET on HLN After Dark.

Some interesting highlights reflecting State Prosecutors Angela Corey's and Bernie de la Rionda's viewpoints here:
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/15/...secutors-0

[Duchess]

Anderson Cooper is interviewing a juror and the defense attorneys right now.

[HairOfTheDog]

Thanks, Duchess.

The juror told Anderson that the first jury vote = 3 for Not Guilty, 2 for Manslaughter, and 1 for Murder 2.

[Maggot]

All I can say is it aint the OJ trial and I doubt Zimmerman will be out golfing later. But it was a gun and not a knife and we had a white President that kept his big fat nose outta things like this.

[BlueTiki]

It's really no surprise to me that the folks screaming both the unfairness of Marissa Alexander's conviction and Zimmerman's lack thereof (and then claim the judicial system is racist) fail to acknowledge State Attorney Angela Corey's hand in charging BOTH of these defendants.

Black defendant charged and convicted = racially biased prosecution and verdict

White defendant charged and acquitted = racially biased prosecution and verdict

[HairOfTheDog]

Well, that was an interesting interview with juror B37.

She's the one writing a book with her husband (a lawyer) about the experience. She says it's not for profit. She kept her identity hidden during the interview.

Anyway, according to her, the jury listened to all of the tapes of interviews after the initial vote was so split.

Next, they reviewed the laws in the jury instructions, which they found very confusing.

At that point, the jury wanted to ask the judge about whether they could consider bad decisions George made leading up to the altercation and if those could be applied to Manslaughter; a couple of jurors thought he should be held accountable for something. They ultimately determined that the decision had to be made based on what happened during the altercation only.

Finally, the verdict was decided based on their unanimous belief that George was in fear for his life when he pulled the trigger and that the law therefore made the shooting self-defense and justified.

B37, to me, seemed very pro-defense; she didn't believe George was a wanna-be cop, he just went too far, Trayvon threw the first punch, both men should have walked away... Doesn't seem like all of the women agreed with those beliefs - just my inference from her answers to some questions. She said 5 of 6 jurors believed that it was George screaming. She said the parents of George and Trayvon cancelled each other out in her mind.

B37 thinks Zimmerman has learned his lesson and would be a good NW person now. She feels sorry for both Zimmerman and Martin. She didn't think race was a factor in the incident at all and it was never discussed by the jury. She thinks George would have responded the same to any strange person wandering in the dark between houses.

[BlueTiki]

Finally, the verdict was decided based on their unanimous belief that George was in fear for his life when he pulled the trigger and that the law therefore made the shooting self-defense and justified.

I would have lost the farm.

No way did I believe they thought it was self-defense.

I'm surprised they didn't "hang" considering the result of the first vote.

Really . . . how does one go from Murder 2 to Not Guilty?

[username]

Black defendant charged and convicted = racially biased prosecution and verdict

White defendant charged and acquitted = racially biased prosecution and verdict

Forget charges. The black woman was found guilty while the semi white guy was found innocent.

[ZEROSPHERES]

Tiki, I bet those jurors just played some form of 'Rock-paper-scissors' to achieve a consensus and finally a verdict.

[HairOfTheDog]

Really . . . how does one go from Murder 2 to Not Guilty?

If I had to guess, she went into deliberations with a mindset of moral justice. She didn't believe Zimmerman's story and felt he caused the altercation. She felt Zimmerman put himself in the position to be in such great fear - it was George's mind that caused him to view Trayvon as a suspect and that's what led to his actions which caused Trayvon's death.

After reviewing the law and with convincing from other jurors, she understood legal justice and moral justice are not always one and the same.

All speculation and guessing, of course. Maybe that juror will speak out at some point. I'd like to hear from her.

[BlueTiki]

If I had to guess, she went into deliberations with a mindset of moral justice.

After reviewing the law and with convincing from other jurors, she understood legal justice and moral justice are not always one and the same.

All speculation and guessing, of course.

You've hit the mark too many times for me to doubt you now!

Thanks.