NC Amendment One - Gay Marriage Pro or Con?

[Duchess]

I've been attracted to women before.

[Cynical Ninja]

We are genetically designed to be attracted to the opposite sex.

So you agree that sexuality is predisposed at a genetic level?

The same is true of heterosexuality and homosexuality you utter mong. The idea of people choosing to be gay just defies all logic.

[Cynical Ninja]

I've been attracted to women before.

Sorry, that makes you genetically "defective".

[Duchess]

Sorry, that makes you genetically "defective".

[HairOfTheDog]

It's obviously a genetic defect.

natural attraction -V- un natural attraction

So homosexuality is now a genetic defect?

Animals display homosexual behaviours and always have done.

You are a fucking idiot.

If you want to avoid the conversation go ahead and do that, If you want to join in the conversation then tell me which sex you're attracted to.

We are genetically designed to be attracted to the opposite sex.

I'm trying to understand your reasoning here. You're saying that being born with an attraction to the same sex is essentially equivalent to being born without an arm, or with 12 toes, etc? Genetic birth defects.

Let's say you're right (I don't think you are, but let's say you are). Would you deprive a one-armed man and a 12-toed woman from getting marrried? I doubt it. So, if you consider being gay a genetic defect, why prevent gays from marrying? Strictly based on Biblical scripture? What about those of us straight people who choose not to procreate? Any point in allowing us to marry?

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

How about those "fornicators" who've engaged in sex outside of marriage? Those adulterous folks who have previously cheated on a spouse? The many drunkards of the world? All condemned and considered unworthy in the Bible. No marriage for them either?

[IMaDick]

We are genetically designed to be attracted to the opposite sex.

So you agree that sexuality is predisposed at a genetic level?

The same is true of heterosexuality and homosexuality you utter mong. The idea of people choosing to be gay just defies all logic.

I have always thought that, but like I said the gays reject the thought and evidence of that being the case.

I have to take what they say as what they mean, and most claim it as a choice just like being a christian or an atheist.

Mong sucker.

[IMaDick]

It's obviously a genetic defect.

natural attraction -V- un natural attraction

So homosexuality is now a genetic defect?

Animals display homosexual behaviours and always have done.

You are a fucking idiot.

If you want to avoid the conversation go ahead and do that, If you want to join in the conversation then tell me which sex you're attracted to.

We are genetically designed to be attracted to the opposite sex.

I'm trying to understand your reasoning here. You're saying that being born with an attraction to the same sex is essentially equivalent to being born without an arm, or with 12 toes, etc? Genetic birth defects.

Let's say you're right (I don't think you are, but let's say you are). Would you deprive a one-armed man and a 12-toed woman from getting marrried? I doubt it. So, if you consider being gay a genetic defect, why prevent gays from marrying? Strictly based on Biblical scripture? What about those of us straight people who choose not to procreate? Any point in allowing us to marry?

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

How about those "fornicators" who've engaged in sex outside of marriage? Those adulterous folks who have previously cheated on a spouse? The many drunkards of the world? All condemned and considered unworthy in the Bible. No marriage for them either?

Genetic defects are not necessarily debilitating.

It's obvious what natural attraction is, thus it is also obvious what unnatural attraction is.

There really can only be 2 reasons to be un naturally attracted to the same sex it's either a choice or it's not, If it's not then it's genetic and since it is not the natural it has to be labeled as a defect.

It doesn't mean that they are missing anything it very well could be that they are plus something.

X and Y you know? it could be X minus or Y plus or Y minus or X plus or it could be a combination of any of those factors.

[Duchess]

most claim it as a choice just like being a christian or an atheist.

You are either terribly misinformed or an outright liar. Most gays DO NOT claim their homosexuality is a choice. Jesus Christ. That might be the most retarded thing you've ever said in here.

[HairOfTheDog]

Genetic defects are not necessarily debilitating.

It's obvious what natural attraction is, thus it is also obvious what unnatural attraction is.

There really can only be 2 reasons to be un naturally attracted to the same sex it's either a choice or it's not, If it's not then it's genetic and since it is not the natural it has to be labeled as a defect.

It doesn't mean that they are missing anything it very well could be that they are plus something.

X and Y you know? it could be X minus or Y plus or Y minus or X plus or it could be a combination of any of those factors.

All your arguments are based upon the assumption that it's "unnatural" for all. Why is that? Because procreation isn't possible? Where is that coming from? Verses of the Bible condemn "men lying with other men as they would a woman" and "homosexuality". I don't know of any specific mention in the Bible regarding gay marriage being prohibited.

Since the Bible also condemns drunkards, fornicators, adulterers, thieves, in the same way it does homosexuals, then no one who falls into those categories should be allowed to marry either, by your logic.

Whether you see homosexuality as a choice or genetic, I don't see the relevance. I choose not to procreate, but you wouldn't deny me the right to marry. If homosexuality is a choice, why deny them?

Educate me.

[IMaDick]

most claim it as a choice just like being a christian or an atheist.

You are either terribly misinformed or an outright liar. Most gays DO NOT claim their homosexuality is a choice. Jesus Christ. That might be the most retarded thing you've ever said in here.

Do you want me to bring the posts from topix here and show you?

I don't have to make shit up Duchess, that is what they are saying, you can either believe it or not, but that does not make me mis informed or a liar it makes you an idiot though, I'm sorry for that.

[IMaDick]

All your arguments are based upon the assumption that it's "unnatural" for all. Why is that? Because procreation isn't possible? Where is that coming from? Verses of the Bible condemn "men lying with other men as they would a woman" and "homosexuality" as being condemned. I don't know of any specific mention in the Bible regarding gay marriage being prohibited.

Since the Bible as condemns drunkards, fornicators, adulterers, thieves, in the same way it does homosexuals, then no one who falls into those categories should be allowed to marry either, by your logic.

Whether you see homosexuality as a choice or genetic, I don't see the relevance. I choose not to procreate, but you wouldn't deny me the right to marry. If homosexuality is a choice, why deny them?

Educate me.

It's basic biology.

Boys and girls.

men and women

procreation and evolution


see jane run see dick chase jane

you show me yours and I will show you mine

spin the bottle

[Duchess]

From Topix? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahha! That says it all.

If you truly believe that being gay is a choice, you are a brain dead bimbo.

[Midwest Spy]

Hair of the Dog wrote:

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

All condemned and considered unworthy in the Bible.

Perhaps, but you did not quote the next verse.

1 Cor. 6:11, And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

Salvation is attainable, regardless of your transgression/s.

As I've gotten older I no longer believe that homosexuality is a choice. I do believe that gay people are born that way. Many have lived the lie and tried to be in hetero relationships.

But, how do you explain an 'unnatural' attraction then? I don't really have an answer, but I found this interesting:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_caus3.htm

[HairOfTheDog]

"Unnatural" for Dick and Midwest Spy does not = "unnatural" for the whole of humanity.

The fact that both of you find an attraction to the same sex as unnatural is fine. It doesn't negate the fact that millions of others find an attraction to the opposite sex as unnatural.

Biology doesn't support your logic, Dick.
See Mary run, see Jane chase Mary.
See Mary and Jane spin the bottle.
The birds and the birds make beautiful music together...

Procreation. That's where I'm sensing the root of your religious objection to gay marriage lies, Dick. Evolution. We will evolve if some portions of the human race choose not to procreate (or are unable to do so), whether those portions are gay or straight.

I respect your right to believe and profess whatever you choose and read it open-mindedly. So far, the "unnatural" argument doesn't hold up; attraction to the same sex is indeed natural to some. The "religious" argument doesn't hold up unless you apply inability to marry to all sins or condemned acts (which the Bible doesn't do with them either). The "procreation and evolution" argument doesn't hold up unless you're willing to go so far as to apply it to straight people without the ability or desire to bear children.

So, any rational reason that gays shouldn't be able to marry?

[sally]

Are you saying that it was a genetic defect that caused chasity to become chaz?

Yes, I think a female that is born with more male characteristics or vice versa is caused by a genetic defect. Not all gay people are like that, however, some are just simply attracted to the same sex. I wouldn't call that a defect, but I do think it is genetically predisposed.

[IMaDick]

Are you saying that it was a genetic defect that caused chasity to become chaz?

Yes, I think a female that is born with more male characteristics or vice versa is a genetic defect. Not all gay people are like that, however, some are just simply attracted to the same sex. I wouldn't call that a defect, but I do think it is genetically predisposed.

if it is genetically predisposed then I have no problem with it, but if it is a choice then I do.

The legislation that would be involved to cover many other CHOICES is what bothers me, once that door has been opened it will be impossible to close.

The gay community can't even make up their minds about how or why and I am supposed to be able to make a reasonable choice in how I accept it?

By the way Hot D there is no mystery in what normal is when it comes to the biological differences of men and women, there is a reason we are different from each other.

That is the baseline for normal whether we like it or not.

[HairOfTheDog]

Are you saying that it was a genetic defect that caused chasity to become chaz?

Yes, I think a female that is born with more male characteristics or vice versa is a genetic defect. Not all gay people are like that, however, some are just simply attracted to the same sex. I wouldn't call that a defect, but I do think it is genetically predisposed.

if it is genetically predisposed then I have no problem with it, but if it is a choice then I do.

The legislation that would be involved to cover many other CHOICES is what bothers me, once that door has been opened it will be impossible to close.

The gay community can't even make up their minds about how or why and I am supposed to be able to make a reasonable choice in how I accept it?

By the way Hot D there is no mystery in what normal is when it comes to the biological differences of men and women, there is a reason we are different from each other.

That is the baseline for normal whether we like it or not.

I've gotta run, but none of your previous arguments hold up. Biologically, men and women are different, of course. Those differences allow for procreation. However, that does not mean it's unnatural or abnormal for some people to be attracted to people with generally the same biological make-up when it comes to genitalia.

It is possible to have sex just for pleasure and/or to satisfy a basic need, not to procreate, whether it be sex with the same or opposite gender. It will not stop the evolution of the human race, unless you're afraid that it's more natural to be attracted to the same sex and that accepting homosexuality and promoting gay equality rights will open a flood gate through which the human race will eventually stop reproducing. I have no such fear.

Whether being gay is predisposed by genetics or if it's a choice, I've seen not one argument here that holds water against gays being able to marry - not when you invoked religion, not when you applied biology, and not when you claimed it's obviously "unnatural/abnormal" to be attracted to something that you personally are not and that your idea of normal is the universal baseline. It's your personal opinions based on your personal beliefs and intepretations that drives you to object to gay marriage. I respect that. I simply disagree.

[QueenBee]

Procreation? Let me see, how many billions of people are now living on the planet? How many of them are poor, starving, or in third world countries?
Don't you think we have enough people? And what about all the heterosexual couples who choose NOT to procreate? Should they be banned from marriage as well? And if marriage and having kids was so important, why don't the Catholics let their clergy marry and have kids?

[IMaDick]

Normal has to have a baseline otherwise it would and could be called normal to eat the corn out of turds.

We have normal intelligence levels
normal cholesterol levels
normal rainfall amounts
normal temperatures
normal bodily functions
normal normal normal and yet we can't agree on what is normal as far as men and women are concerned.

I find that a bit odd.

[IMaDick]

Procreation? Let me see, how many billions of people are now living on the planet? How many of them are poor, starving, or in third world countries?
Don't you think we have enough people? And what about all the heterosexual couples who choose NOT to procreate? Should they be banned from marriage as well? And if marriage and having kids was so important, why don't the Catholics let their clergy marry and have kids?

Ya lets get rid of the dumb ones that think there are too many people and that is a good reason for gay sex.