Stand Your Ground

[BlueTiki]

It's because you suffer from NEGROphobia and are terrified, 'Zimmerman Style'!

[Maggot]

Damn straight! Dems black folks r de debil!

[username]

Regardless, there's still something fundamentally fucked up with the law.

[BlueTiki]

Regardless, there's still something fundamentally fucked up with the law.

Thanks for the sound bite.

What is the specific something(s) . . . NOT the theoretical something.

Might wanna address in what states this "fucked-upness" is present.

BTW . . . Zim didn't claim SYG when he was tried for bagging his trophy.

[username]

Regardless, there's still something fundamentally fucked up with the law.

Thanks for the sound bite.

What is the specific something(s) . . . NOT the theoretical something.

Might wanna address in what states this "fucked-upness" is present.

BTW . . . Zim didn't claim SYG when he was tried for bagging his trophy.

Zim didn't claim SYG but as I understand it, the law was cited and/or was part of the jury instructions as part of Florida's self-defense laws.

I'm not sure how the law could be fixed because so many aspects of it are subjective. For example, I've read that people are saying that the "initial aggressor" shouldn't be able to claim SYG. Well, good luck defining initial aggressor. Fear for your life? Some guy *thinks* that another guy is waving a pipe at Taco Bell so he shoots him (turns out the guy had a dog leash)? Again, how can one better define "fearing for your life"?

I don't have a problem with defending one's home/family but shooting a guy who is robbing a house next door because he's generally headed in your direction (could be 50 yards away) seems extreme.

I agree with CN that the basic premise is "I'm scared, bang, you're dead". That's fucked up to me.

[BlueTiki]

I agree with CN that the basic premise is "I'm scared, bang, you're dead". That's fucked up to me.

I don't think a reasonable person would disagree with that assessment.

However . . . how many cases of "I'm skeered! Bang . . . you're dead!" have been documented throughout the 50 states?

Ima gonna guess more children are killed annually in car accidents because they were not properly restrained than (all people) from the "I'm skeered . . . you're dead!" loss of life, paranoia.

[Jimbone]

It strikes me that if the race hustlers hadn't ginned up the Zimmerman case, no one would even know there were SYG laws.

I do have a question though: if someone breaks into your house while you are home, do you believe you would be within your rights to shoot them?

[Duchess]

I do have a question though: if someone breaks into your house while you are home, do you believe you would be within your rights to shoot them?

Well yeah. If someone breaks in & the homeowner doesn't feel threatened I'd think the home owner was braindead.

[BlueTiki]

I do have a question though: if someone breaks into your house while you are home, do you believe you would be within your rights to shoot them?

The law presumes that the intruder's intent IS NOT peaceful.

[username]

I do have a question though: if someone breaks into your house while you are home, do you believe you would be within your rights to shoot them?

Shoot them. Although, that reminds me of this case:

A Minnesota homeowner who shot two teenagers in the midst of an apparent Thanksgiving Day break-in told authorities he feared they had a weapon, but acknowledged firing "more shots than I needed to" and appeared to take pride in "a good clean finishing shot" for one teen, according to investigators.
Byron David Smith, 64, was charged Monday with two counts of second-degree murder in a criminal complaint that was chilling for the clinical way investigators said he described the shootings.
Smith told investigators he shot 18-year-old Haile Kifer several times as she descended a stairway into his basement, and his Mini 14 rifle jammed as he tried to shoot her again after she had tumbled down the steps.
Though Kifer was "already hurting," she let out a short laugh, Smith told investigators. He then pulled out his .22-caliber revolver and shot her several times in the chest, according to the complaint.
"If you're trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go again," Smith told investigators, according to a criminal complaint filed Monday.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national...z2bDAqlN87

People are fucked up.

[BlueTiki]

People are fucked up.

What's your point?

The homeowner is being charged with murder.

(Or the fact the kids weren't even missed by their families?)

[username]

People are fucked up.

What's your point?

The homeowner is being charged with murder.

Well, that's a plus but it's not going to raise those kids from the dead.

[Duchess]

I remember that case. Whatta fucked up old man.

[Cynical Ninja]

Well, that's a plus but it's not going to raise those kids from the dead.

A classic case of I'm skeered, bang!, your dead if I ever saw one.

Because of the outcome of the Zimmerman trial its human nature that people are going to be more trigger happy if they feel threatened now because the syg laws clearly sides with the armed person in most cases.

[Jimbone]

Well, that's a plus but it's not going to raise those kids from the dead.

A classic case of I'm skeered, bang!, your dead if I ever saw one.

Yes, because most classic cases shoot, incapacitate, and then finish off wounded people. Then they classically drag the bodies into a storage room and hide them for a day before calling authorities.

I mean really, that happens so often that they don't even bother reporting it anymore.

He would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those meddling kids.

[Duchess]

SYG law is a piece of shit just like Maytee is. Shoot any fucker that dares come into your home uninvited, the courts will always side with the shooter when they are protecting their home/loved ones. We don't need all these goddamn laws. Jeezus.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

I don't have a problem with defending one's home/family but shooting a guy who is robbing a house next door because he's generally headed in your direction (could be 50 yards away) seems extreme.

I don't think so, thats just good breath and trigger control, it doesn't get extreme until well out beyond 100 yards

I agree with CN that the basic premise is "I'm scared, bang, you're dead". That's fucked up to me.

Yes, thats just plain chickenshit

[Jimbone]

SYG law is a piece of shit just like Maytee is. Shoot any fucker that dares come into your home uninvited, the courts will always side with the shooter when they are protecting their home/loved ones. We don't need all these goddamn laws. Jeezus.

Some states used to require you to retreat or respond with less than lethal force, even in your own home. Some might still even have that requirement.

I can't imagine needing a SYG defense if you employed self-defense properly.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

Until 2005 Florida required you to run if possible, even from your own home.

[Duchess]

Until 2005 Florida required you to run if possible, even from your own home.

That's ridiculous!