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The fiscal cliff
#81
I really didn't think it was possible for me to hate these douchebags anymore than I already do.

Get rid of the fuckin crybaby already...he's a joke, and an embarrassment!!
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#82
Next up, another debt ceiling debacle.
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#83
They are all clamoring to get up on the toilet seat and proclaim themselves the winners. First they will come for the rich then when that fails (and it will) they will tax the air you breathe (think green) when that fails all taxes will rise again. I can almost foresee the draft coming back as a forced government employee type situation. And where the heck will all the mailmen go? The Amish are really looking good now, and I hear they could use a few more Shakers. I should work with clay more often it sure looks like fun!
He ain't heavy, he's my brother.
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#84
Something I found in a comment today that really puts things in perspective.

Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
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#85
The House hasn't lost its Boehner after all.

He was re-elected as Speaker today.
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#86


*snicker* You sure do have a way with words.

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#87
Boehner---> Pelosi
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#88
Thats just wrong bitches.........WRONG!!!
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#89
hah but funny.
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#90
Russian

The rancorously debated "fiscal cliff" bill approved by Congress this week was supposed to be a straightforward way for the country to avert disaster, mostly by raising taxes on the wealthy.

But the 150-plus-page compromise legislation that passed the House and Senate is stuffed with corporate and individual tax breaks that have nothing to do with averting a fiscal dive. Inside it are billions of dollars in tax breaks for everyone from racetrack owners to Hollywood producers to California's alternative energy industry.

The recipients are, as the nonpartisan Sunlight Foundation put it Wednesday, "the sort of taxpayers who can spend millions on lobbyists and whose PACs (political action committees) and employees can give millions more to the campaigns of lawmakers."


http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/F...z2GxdDvNtu
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#91
(01-03-2013, 08:10 PM)username Wrote: Russian

The rancorously debated "fiscal cliff" bill approved by Congress this week was supposed to be a straightforward way for the country to avert disaster, mostly by raising taxes on the wealthy.

But the 150-plus-page compromise legislation that passed the House and Senate is stuffed with corporate and individual tax breaks that have nothing to do with averting a fiscal dive. Inside it are billions of dollars in tax breaks for everyone from racetrack owners to Hollywood producers to California's alternative energy industry.

The recipients are, as the nonpartisan Sunlight Foundation put it Wednesday, "the sort of taxpayers who can spend millions on lobbyists and whose PACs (political action committees) and employees can give millions more to the campaigns of lawmakers."


http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/F...z2GxdDvNtu

We're as corrupt as those tiny Central American & African countries, maybe on an even grander scale.
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#92
Had the tea party people and the OWS people come together on some solid footing with Americans actually backing a solid disruption towards political lobbying, and sent a clear message to polititians that we need to cut spending and have a flat tax say 17% across trhe board and reworked the current tax code and voted on term limits of say 6 yrs. It might have set things straight.
Americans need to become united at some point but I believe we are to far gone. Every time a sector of the population gains some ground they are villified by polititians trying to save their smelly ass.
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#93
True, Maggot. I always go back to the Simpson Bowles commission which advocated for some revenue increases accompanied by painful spending cuts.

Obama got at least part of what he wanted in revenue increases but where are the spending cuts? He's saying he basically won't negotiate over the raising of the debt ceiling (Boehner is saying the opposite so another battle is ahead). And even after this raise on those earning over $400k, he's saying any further discussions would need to include asking the wealthiest to pay "their fair share". So I guess he's going to try again to bring that number down to $250k if Republicans push for spending cuts.

Balanced approach, my ass. What a mess.
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#94
Take 8% across the top of every single dollar spent on every single government entity. Balance that with an 8% increase in tax dollars made. Do not let anyone that does not put a dime into the tax fund have a refund and ta-da..........problem solved. Some people today that do not work all year and they still get a refund piss me off.
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#95
(01-03-2013, 08:49 PM)Maggot Wrote: Take 8% across the top of every single dollar spent on every single government entity. Balance that with an 8% increase in tax dollars made. Do not let anyone that does not put a dime into the tax fund have a refund and ta-da..........problem solved. Some people today that do not work all year and they still get a refund piss me off.

Amen. It wouldn't be so fucking complicated if the politicians weren't bought by their special interests. Take the money out of politics and none of this would be an issue. Potentially a good expenditure of government funds would be eliminating corporate and special interest and freaking PAC funding. Everybody has a max budget they can spend for campaigning. Equal the playing field somewhat so voters have more choices and lobbyists don't rule the world.

I'm rambling but my basic point is I believe we need to try to take the money/pandering incentive out of the equation.
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#96
Its a common theme in most Americans minds, but the idea gets villified when it gains a little steam and begins to upset the Washington cart. Then you will see a lobbyist in action. Someday people will vote for a person that does something umselfisjy good for the country. Obama had the chance but he became part of the problem, golf, vacations, bowing to other countries and passing any blame towards others instead of taking any responsibility. I really had hope for him in the beginning.
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#97
(01-03-2013, 09:04 PM)username Wrote: I'm rambling but my basic point is I believe we need to try to take the money/pandering incentive out of the equation.

Good luck with that.
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#98
(01-03-2013, 09:14 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote:
(01-03-2013, 09:04 PM)username Wrote: I'm rambling but my basic point is I believe we need to try to take the money/pandering incentive out of the equation.

Good luck with that.

I know. We have way more choices choosing a brand of soap than we do choosing elected officials.

They all pander to their constituents (who will vote for me?) and more importantly, "who will give me money so I can finance my election/re-election efforts"? That's all that matters.
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#99
(01-03-2013, 09:14 PM)Maggot Wrote: Its a common theme in most Americans minds, but the idea gets villified when it gains a little steam and begins to upset the Washington cart. Then you will see a lobbyist in action. Someday people will vote for a person that does something umselfisjy good for the country. Obama had the chance but he became part of the problem, golf, vacations, bowing to other countries and passing any blame towards others instead of taking any responsibility. I really had hope for him in the beginning.

I had hope for change too. Unfortunately, from my perspective, the change went in the wrong direction.

I agree with what you and user are saying about campaign reform being a necessity for future change and wish that the Supreme Court had not essentially declared that corporations are persons in 2010. The Occupy Movement's stance on that topic is one that I actually support.

But, I'm not sure the fiscal cliff shit pile has as much to do with pandering to campaign contributors as it does with ideological conflicts between the parties, both of which have moved so far to the extreme of either side and are more concerned with fucking each other over than with representing the people (and corporations) who elected them.

There no longer seems to exist the incentive (or perhaps ability) to negotiate and compromise wisely for the benefit of those of us not spending our days on Capitol Hill, nor to push hard for necessary future-oriented changes. Instead of the party differences serving partly as a system of checks and balances, it's become a complete pissing contest as far as I'm concerned. I hope that Obama will pleasantly surprise the hell outta me in his second term and that Congress will simply start to do its job again; things won't turn around without both.

I also believe that those of us in the working middle class are now constantly feeling like we're compromising on major issues almost every time we vote because the loudest voices are those screaming to keep and increase their entitlements for doing nothing and those screaming to protect and increase the special governmental entitlements that come from possessing great wealth. Maybe I'm wrong about that being a general feeling, but it's definitely how I feel. I've never felt this frustrated and negatively impacted by government.

I'm bumming myself out hard core, so I'm gonna stop now and resolve to just do my part and work hard at becoming as buoyant as possible while I paddle upstream hoping for positive change...
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WTH? Have you heard the craziness of printing a trillion dollar coin to avert a debt ceiling debate??

People have lost their fucking minds.
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