HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT

[Duchess]

Wooo. President Reagan's former political director has come out in support of her, he said he's going to vote for her and if her campaign wants to put him to work on the trail, he's glad to help. This man worked for President Bush as well.

[Blindgreed1]

[HairOfTheDog]

He was just resting his eyes!

[Duchess]

[Duchess]

More Republicans have come out today in public support of Hillary. President Reagan's Solicitor General, Charles Fried and media executive Harry Sloan, another lifelong Republican.

[OnBendedKnee]

I think it's a forgone conclusion who are next president will now be. Even if Trump completely turns it around (he won't) and Clinton completely poops the shoot (it's there, in the urban dictionary...), the end result is
we're in for another democratic presidency!

[Donovan]

Yay! Although this one will be more conservative in foreign policy I think. And I expect there will be a LOT of civil unrest in the first year or so from disgruntled angry unemployed white guys with guns.

[Maggot]

Hillary loves poor people, that's why she wants to create more.

[Duchess]

I don't want to be poor. Ohmaigawds. What if I didn't have money to piss away. Wah :(

[HairOfTheDog]

I thought the media focused too much on Donald Trump "kicking a baby out of a rally" recently. He seemed to be joking, to me, and it didn't hurt anyone. He clarified that he was kidding, and the lady with the baby said she didn't take any offense at all. That's that, to me.

Now, I think they're focusing too much on the Pulse nightclub shooter's wacko dad being in camera view at a Clinton rally in Orlando yesterday. There were 3,000 people there, it was open to the public, he wasn't invited by the campaign, her screeners didn't recognize him (maybe they should have), and she disavowed him and his views. That's that, to me.

I do think Trump's comments about Second Amendment people maybe being able to do something about it if Hillary Clinton gets elected and appoints Supreme Court judges that he considers a political threat to gun owners was a big deal. I heard it and I thought he was clearly suggesting (albeit probably joking irresponsibly) the "something about it" entailed using guns. Stupid and dangerous comment, in my opinion.

I also think the new email releases in regards to Clinton are focus-worthy. I want to hear more than a blanket statement from Clinton's campaign in response to the new emails released by Judicial Watch about the alleged overlaps between Clinton Foundation and State Department business and potential pay-for-play.

[Donovan]

The dad on camera reminds me of one of my earliest threads here at mock when I asked about family members of heinous and infamous murderers and whether they are unfairly ostracized. I can't remember where the thread is now or if I ever revealed that my ex's sister had married this weird guy and had a baby with him when he abruptly told her one night right before bed that he was a serial killer who was responsible for a pretty famous unsolved missing little girl. No shit. It turned out to all be true and dude went away for it, but the sister literally had to leave town forever because of it and she was as much a victim as anybody short of the murdered people.

I have a certain empathy for that father even if some pretty unsavory stuff has come out about him. He may have been a fuck but he didn't kill those people. And I know I sure as hell don't want my entire list of failings paraded in front of the world.

[HairOfTheDog]

I remember that post you're talking about, Donovan.

I agree that families of perpetrators are sometimes treated unfairly; guilt by association (even when the family members had no knowledge or part in the crimes and are suffering themselves). Over the last 5 years or so, I've seen that change a lot though.

We have much more exposure to the words/feelings expressed by families of both the victims and the perps these days, and I see fewer people skewering family members simply for being related to horrible criminals. Donald Trump hasn't caught on and wants to torture/kill the families of suspected terrorists, but most people are more rational and reasonable (in my observation).

As for Mr. Mateen, he should not have been cleared for high-visibility seating behind Clinton. He slipped through the cracks with on-the-spot campaign crowd-screeners. But, the fact that he was at the rally and claims to support Clinton aren't things that should be held against Clinton personally. The man hasn't been arrested and charged with anything and it's a free country.

However, Mr. Mateen is not sympathetic and could be a security threat, in my opinion. His pre-massacre Youtube rants condemning gays and supporting suppressive organizations...along with his almost giddy yet incoherent post-massacre interviews...make him unlike most family members of high-profile killers. Clinton needed to disavow him and his views quickly and move on. I think that was the right strategy.

[HairOfTheDog]

It did make me laugh yesterday at a rally when Trump slammed Hillary about Mr. Mateen's presence at one of her rallies. Trump asked all the people behind him to raise their hands and attest that they personally knew him after Trump proclaimed that Hillary had to know Mr. Mateen was right behind her (which makes no sense, but whatever).

Anyway...........one of the people right behind Trump who raised his hand was disgraced former Congressman Mark Foley. Foley was forced to resign back in 2006 after being busted sending sexually explicit emails to teen boys who were serving as congressional pages. Doh.

[Duchess]

I read someone say that the only way Hillary could lose now is if she killed and BBQ'd black babies and then ate them on live television.

I loved the irony of Foley directly behind Trump when he was slamming her for the shooter's father being behind her. Loved it.

[BigMark]

Yeah, because she would still be elected if they were white.

[HairOfTheDog]

Clinton's private email server doesn't bother me from a national security perspective as it was probably as or more secure than our crappy government servers. But it's bothersome from a transparency and judgment perspective. She should have foreseen the problems it would cause and used the official server.

It's been revealed that Clinton told the FBI that she took the advice of Colin Powell in setting up her email system. Powell used a private email account for business and work, except for classified information. She went much further than that by using both a private email account (except for classified information, though some classified info reportedly got through) hosted by a homegrown server in her basement. That was not approved by the State Department.

Colin Powell contradicted what Clinton told the FBI. He told the press today that he doesn't recall a dinner conversation Clinton communicated to the FBI. He also said that he never recommended a private server to Clinton, in any case.

[HairOfTheDog]

And, a judge just ruled that 15,000 more of what she deemed 'private, non-work emails' be released to the public within a month. So, the State Department is now reviewing and redacting. Again.

I think Hillary Clinton is damned lucky she's running against someone who's accused of fraud, has multiple bankruptcies, won't release his tax returns, has a chaotic campaign, and whose policy positions and public statements are incoherent or off-putting to the majority of voters.

Otherwise, I think the never-ending email server fall-out would be a much bigger election obstacle for her. She handed the very people who she claims are always out to get her the gift that keeps on giving.

[Duchess]

I regret that when Hillary announced she was running for POTUS that I didn't immediately make reservations in DC so I could watch history being made. One can always cancel reservations if things don't work out but now it's very late. I'd never try to get inside the Beltway on inauguration day, I'd want to already be in there. All of this is just now occurring to me.

[HairOfTheDog]

I wish you could be there for the inauguration if Clinton gets elected, Duchess. That would be very cool.

Trump's new campaign appears to be keeping him quiet today, so there's focused coverage on Clinton's emails and the Clinton Foundation.

The email server and her public comments about it were bad judgment and hurt her honesty ratings, but there are no criminal charges and unless there's something illegal in the new email releases, I think that's a dead horse. But, no doubt Trump, Bannon and Ailes are going to continue beating it and painting her as a criminal who got away with it until the election anyway.

Now, Trump is requesting a special investigation into the Clinton Foundation because, he says, the DOJ is corrupt and can't be trusted. I don't think that will happen unless there's some probable cause indicating that donors got illegal favors from the State Department, but I'm sure Trump will keep pushing that too at his rallies and in the media.

Personally, I disagree with those who want the Foundation closed down to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest. Bill's Clinton Foundation (and George Bush's and Jimmy Carter's) has done so much good charity work around the world. I'd rather see Bill and Hillary completely removed from any Foundation activity if she's elected and have it turned over to someone outside of the government so the work can continue.

[Pokemon999]

Donald Trump was listening to his last Campaign Manager who would get all of his Advice from Fox News comments. Basically his Campaign Manager was lazy and Trump used all of my comments in his campaign that is why it ran so badly for the last couple of months. Now He has this hot female campaign Manager who actually knows what she is doing. I think it will make a difference I'm very hard pressed to find any True Hillary fans.