HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT

[cannongal]

You didn't even listen to the audio or you wouldn't have made that ignorant comment.

Actually I did listen to the audio, but whateva. Call me ignorant all you want, at least I don't have my head shoved up her ass, and think she's a mother fuckin saint.

I can't stand either one of them, cause neither will own their shit when fuck up.

At least Gary asked "what is Allepo?", instead of giving some bullshit answer. Hell, he's owned his stupidity twice now in the last month. Can't say that about wither Hill or the trumper.

[Duchess]

You didn't even listen to the audio or you wouldn't have made that ignorant comment.

Actually I did listen to the audio, but whateva. Call me ignorant all you want, at least I don't have my head shoved up her ass, and think she's a mother fuckin saint.

I can't stand either one of them, cause neither will own their shit when fuck up.

At least Gary asked "what is Allepo?", instead of giving some bullshit answer. Hell, he's owned his stupidity twice now in the last month. Can't say that about wither Hill or the trumper.

So you listened to the audio and still choose to imply she was insulting Bernie's supporters? Hahaha.

I've never called Hillary a saint, as a matter of fact I have often acknowledged her flaws. Don't even try to say I'm oblivious to her fuck ups when I can pull a number of my posts proving otherwise.

[HairOfTheDog]

I like that Johnson owns his shit too. And, I like a lot of his platform. He's taken more potential votes from Clinton than I originally expected he would. Gary's not a third party candidate worthy of consideration any longer though, in my view.

Not knowing 'Allepo' was really ignorant. Not being able to name one single world leader that he respects is unforgivably ignorant or airheaded, to me.

I saw Gary on Bill Maher like 4 or 5 months ago and he said he was fully committed to not smoking pot at all during the campaign, nor would he if elected. He's huge on legalization of marijuana (which attracts a lot of millenials), was the CEO of a cannabis company, and has been a regular pot smoker for a very long time.

He told Maher that he's abstaining because he's fully aware that the duties of a campaign and a presidency make indulging imprudent and irresponsible (my paraphrase). During that interview several months back, Gary said that he hadn't smoked in 7 weeks (since he'd actively launched is campaign).

Then, just the other day when asked the last time he smoked, Gary again answered that that it had been 7 weeks. So, either Gary didn't have the will/ability to keep his abstinence commitment several months ago, or time is standing still for Gary, or he's not that knowledgeable/serious about running.

Bill Weld would have been better at the top of the Libertarian ticket than Gary Johnson, in my opinion. Weld seems a little surprised by Gary's missteps himself. Yesterday he told Shmirkonish on CNN that rumors of him dropping out as Johnson's VP running mate were false. He also, however, confirmed his previous statement about Hillary Clinton being the most qualified candidate in the race. Weld does not want to see Trump leading the country. He may be stuck between a rock and a hard place. If Clinton loses by less votes than Gary Johnson racks up, Johnson and Weld will likely be cast as the new Ralph Naders.

[HairOfTheDog]

Anyway, I think Trump has demonstrated that he's way more ignorant than Johnson in general, so Trump bullshits and flip-flops and his hard-core supporters still want him to lead the U.S. because, "hey, he's not a politician."

It'll be interesting to see if Gary's millenial supporters also continue to stick with him because they only care that he's not Trump or Clinton and want to support the most marijuana-friendly candidate. I won't be surprised if some of them bail now and Clinton's college debt relief policy and national service program pulls a fair share her way, especially with Bernie hitting the trail hard in support of Clinton and her platform.

FWIW, I didn't think Clinton was insulting Bernie's supporters in that leaked audio, nor did I find her praising of them. She didn't call them 'basement dwellers', she said that people need to understand how frustrating it is for them to be stuck with high college debt, unable to find high-paying jobs right away, and thus have no choice but to stay in their parents' basements. That's why some of them got so excited about free college and free health-care without understanding the details of what that would entail. That's what I took away from her comments in the hacked/leaked private fund-raiser audio anyway.

[HairOfTheDog]

I've never called Hillary a saint, as a matter of fact I have often acknowledged her flaws. Don't even try to say I'm oblivious to her fuck ups when I can pull a number of my posts proving otherwise. [/i][/size]

I don't like all the hacking and leaking that's going on, but that's where we're at in this election cycle.

The content of the Wikileaks release of Clinton campaign manager John Podesto's hacked emails would probably be a much bigger problem for Clinton were she up against anyone but Trump, in my opinion.

I think that a lot of what's in the leaked emails is probably pretty indicative of strategy and calculation efforts in any competitive campaign, but such detailed insight behind the scenes of presidential campaign leaders/strategists is new and there's not really anything with which to compare it.

In any event, the hacked emails released by Assange/Wikileaks do give insight into the Clinton campaign and confirm some of the beefs some of us have expressed here about Clinton.

[HairOfTheDog]

I just lost a detailed outline of what I considered some of the most interesting hacked email revelations, darn it.

I'll just give paraphrased highlights of those topics and post the links instead.

CLINTON CAMPAIGN -- HACKED EMAIL CONTENTS

1. Emails provide lots of evidence that the DNC and Debbie Wasserman Schultz did everything they could to help Clinton get the Dem nomination over Bernie Sanders.

2. Emails show that Cinton and company struggled with how to address Sanders' allegations that she was cozy with Wall Street and that her message to the bankers in private was different from what she was saying to voters (confirmed to be true by hacked Wall Street Speech transcripts).

3. Emails show that a couple of Clinton advisers and surrogates wanted her to stop being misleading or false in comments about Sanders, his records, and his allegations. They instead recommended she align more closely with his stances (which she did).

4. Emails show campaign struggled with how to best address and position the private email server controversy and that Clinton's announcement of opposition to Keystone Pipeline was timed to distract from server media coverage.

5. Emails show that Clinton and company were initially most concerned about Jeb! and Rubio and hoped to see one of the more extreme and weaker Republican candidates get the nod. They wanted to see those candidates be treated by the media as serious contenders who kinda define the GOP (in my opinion: to exploit and open up the divisions within the party and increase the likelihood of the Dems taking back the Senate and maybe the House). The preferences were Trump, Carson, or Cruz (who were referred to as the "Pied Pipers").

It's looking like Clinton forecasted well and got exactly what she wanted in terms of Republican opponent and implosion of the GOP.

Refs and more email content details:
http://www.politico.com/live-blog-update...aks-000011
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/
https://www.rt.com/usa/362358-wikileaks-...ta-emails/
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/WikiLeak...id/752705/

[Duchess]

Trump could make good use of all that but he won't. He was on a fricken tear earlier today. He'd rather fight and give a big fuck you to his own party than stick it to Hillary. I could be wrong but he's in the midst of burning a shit ton of bridges. Go, Donald, Go!

[HairOfTheDog]

Trump could make good use of all that but he won't. He was on a fricken tear earlier today. He'd rather fight and give a big fuck you to his own party than stick it to Hillary. I could be wrong but he's in the midst of burning a shit ton of bridges. Go, Donald, Go!

Yeah, he's ignoring his more rational advisers' advice. They've said they want him to focus more on issues and Clinton weaknesses and to stop taking the campaign into tabloid rag territory. But, it seems like he's listening to Roger Stone and that Bannon is driving the strategy now, in line with the pages of alt-right Breitbart news.

I saw Chris Christie interviewed today. He sounds tired and is being very honest about his disappointment in how Trump failed to sincerely take responsibility for the contents of that grope tape and to issue a solid apology. He doesn't agree with the justifications Trump is making and how he's deflecting to Bill Clinton.

EDIT: I should have noted that the content of the hacked emails has not been confirmed by the Clinton campaign. Since the content is unverified, it can't be guaranteed that all of the content is legit and some of the content hasn't been altered.

[Duchess]

Bannon is driving the strategy now

I couldn't possibly know this to be fact but from everything I've been reading & hearing since the Town Hall, it looks like Bannon was behind Bill's accusers being brought into the picture in such an in your face way. A number of people seem to think he & Jared Kushner were the producers of that production.

Trump was attacking Paul Ryan earlier and then he started with John McCain. He also said "Dems have always proven to be far more loyal to each other than Republicans".

[Maggot]

Obama will end up giving her a pardon.

[Duchess]

For what?

[Maggot]

So when the closet gets cleaned. I think Trump was a dem when the video was made for what its worth.

[Duchess]

I think Trump was a dem when the video was made for what its worth.

There are some who say he still is.

[Donovan]

I love how the anti Hillary crowd simultaneously crown her the greatest Machiavellian supervillain of all time, killing indiscriminately, engineering entire election processes singlehandedly while also intimidating press, rape victims, powerful foreign leaders, generals into doing her bidding on a larger scale than any person in history...and yet is too weak and ineffective to handle the presidency because some twats on the internet figured out her scheme.

[Donovan]

I love how the anti Hillary crowd simultaneously crown her the greatest Machiavellian supervillain of all time, killing indiscriminately, engineering entire election processes singlehandedly while also intimidating press, rape victims, powerful foreign leaders, generals into doing her bidding on a larger scale than any person in history...and yet is too weak and ineffective to handle the presidency because some twats on the internet figured out her scheme.

[HairOfTheDog]

I love how the anti Hillary crowd simultaneously crown her the greatest Machiavellian supervillain of all time, killing indiscriminately, engineering entire election processes singlehandedly while also intimidating press, rape victims, powerful foreign leaders, generals into doing her bidding on a larger scale than any person in history...and yet is too weak and ineffective to handle the presidency because some twats on the internet figured out her scheme.

What's more amazing to me is how she manages to get all that shit done whilst secretly suffering a terminal convulsive condition resulting from a head injury she suffered a few years ago (the same head injury she faked a few years ago to avoid testifying at a hearing).

This is kind of funny to me. Donald Trump has been sniffing like an ant-eater during the debates and doesn't actually have a healthy looking weight or pallor. But, he's really hurting right now in the polls and has just released this new ad which insinuates, among other things, that Hillary Clinton lacks the stamina and is not physically fit enough to serve.

[Maggot]

Clinton ads deal with peoples emotions, Trump ads deal with Clinton lies and facts. Presidential races are kind of funny that way but the real elections are with the Senate races.

[HairOfTheDog]

Most of this isn't new because it was referenced by FBI Director Comey in his damning press conference months back. At that time, he said that there was nothing to justify prosecution for criminal action on the part of Hillary Clinton in regards to her use of a secret private email server for government business. At that time, he did, however, call Clinton "extremely careless in the handling of classified information."

Today, Clinton's testimony under oath was released and published by Judicial Watch.

Hillary Clinton admitted under oath that she doesn’t recall asking anyone for permission to use a secret server and email account during her time in the State Department, contradicting her previous public pronouncements that she had gotten approval.

She said she didn’t recall seeing a 2011 warning about increased hacking attempts on senior department officials’ private accounts, and said she didn’t actually write another warning that went out under her name.

In her responses, Clinton used some variation of "does not recall" at least 21 times.

“Secretary Clinton states that she does not recall being advised, cautioned, or warned during her tenure as Secretary of State about hacking or attempted hacking of her clintonemail.com e-mail account or the server that hosted her clintonemail.com account,” she said in sworn testimony filed in federal court Thursday.

In her carefully worded answers Mrs. Clinton said she left it up to her lawyers to go through her more than 60,000 messages and decide which ones were official business and should be shipped back some 22 months after she left office. She also said her lawyers were in charge of wiping her server clean, and she “does not have personal knowledge about the details of that process.”

Mrs. Clinton never told the official charged with storing her records about her secret arrangement, and never thought to turn over her messages when she left the department in 2013.

She said that she left it to her staff to store her messages, since she was often emailing them on their official state.gov accounts. But she admitted she didn’t give thought to how her messages with those outside the department were being stored.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016...mission-s/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/...imony.html

[cannongal]

Bill was in Florida on the 10^th. My niece went to see him.

[Duchess]

I woulda loved that!