BREAKING: Shooting at Conn. Elementary School

[username]

The concept of a closed school was sort of foreign to me. Where I live, a person could access the schools from pretty much any direction although you're supposed to check in at the office.

[crash]

On the Press;

It has been stated here that the media are only doing their job. Whilst that may be true, it seems any dignity or integrity the media once had is all but lost, if not long gone. The race to get any snippet out there first has left behind the importance of reporting the facts; the thing that created the need for the media beast in the first place. Nowadays when the press are joined by the plethora of keyboard warriors who have an insatiable thirst to want to be 'The first one to post it', like there is a trophy to be awarded, it seems that first cometh the hype, then cometh the truth. I don't know, in situations like this one, it only seems to add to the sadness.

On the guns;

People have been finding ways to kill each other since ever there were people, unfortunately. It will always happen. But then I ask myself why do we let kids not drink until 18/21, why do we not let them drive until 16 or so, why is crack illegal, and heroin and blah blah blah. Because we know that making them illegal will never get rid of them, but it will make the access harder for a lot of people and remove the tempatation in a lot of situations. Assault weapons and the like have been illegal down here since the Port Arthur massacre. There has not been a similar incident of such proportion since. I don't claim that as an answer; we aren't a similar population size as well as many other factors. But it does speak for itself somewhat.


On the Video Games/Religion;

I really liked Maggots comment about letting video games babysit the children. Something I really give a lot of credence to. Humans, in our thirst for information and impatience, have made just about everything in the world accessible to anybody with an internet connection, instantly. Therefore the 9 year olds with smart phones and Xbox live connections are growing up at enormously faster rate than kids of my generation nd the few after it. The problem is though, the parents are more removed from their lives and the kids aren't being armed with the life skills to deal with the information they are learning and trying to process. The ideology of what is 'wrong' has always differed in society, but it's getting thinner and thinner. Kids are becoming more and more desensitised. The value of a life is losing it's preciousness. Blaming the lack of religion in schools is just playing the blame game.

[HairOfTheDog]

not that this is one of the best sources but I read that he shot the mother while she was still sleeping.

"Law enforcement officials have said they believe Nancy Lanza was likely still asleep when her son came into her bedroom -- carrying one of her own guns -- and murdered her."

more of the story at the link:
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/20...urvivalist

It's being reported by the Associated Press as well and confirmed by an anonymous law enforcement source:

She was shot four times in the head and found in her bed wearing pajamas, said a state official who was not authorized to disclose details of the investigation and spoke on condition of anonymity.

The same article (linked below) notes that multiple 30 round magazines and hundreds of unused bullets were found at the school.

http://start.new.toshiba.com/news/read.p...%3E&ps=931

It's also been confirmed by the coroner that all of the victims were shot multiple times, some of them having up to 11 bullet wounds.

This guy wanted get as high a body count as he could before being stopped - he was prepared ammo-wise to take out everyone in the building with multiple shots each. And, I agree with Duchess, he likely chose a building full of children because it gave him the best of odds of accomplishing that goal. Jesus.

This latest update just makes me equally sad and mad:

School officials were trying to determine what to do about sending the survivors back to class, Newtown police Lt. George Sinko said at a news conference Sunday.

Sinko said he "would find it very difficult" for students to return to the school. But, he added, "we want to keep these kids together. They need to support each other," he said.

Plans were being made for some students to attend classes in nearby Monroe, said Jim Agostine, superintendent of schools there.

Hope these children can stay together...

[SIXFOOTERsez]

Good Post Crash

[Duchess]

School officials were trying to determine what to do about sending the survivors back to class, Newtown police Lt. George Sinko said at a news conference Sunday.

Sinko said he "would find it very difficult" for students to return to the school. But, he added, "we want to keep these kids together. They need to support each other," he said.

Plans were being made for some students to attend classes in nearby Monroe, said Jim Agostine, superintendent of schools there.

Hope these children can stay together...

...maybe their holiday break should start now. It would give the people making the decisions about school a good three weeks to implement a plan of action.

[Sphincter Cop]

Good Post Crash

Excellent!

[blueberryhill]

I agree with Duchess, they should start Christmas break now; it is much too soon to send those kids back to school. They need comfort
of parents at home knowing they are safe for now. The community will probably continue the memorial services, and meetings to comfort one another. Some parents need to keep talking about it and others want just want to be left alone. Returning to school in
January is still going to be traumatic for everyone. i think they need some professional therapists to come to classes for first few days and talk to kids and reassure them that life does go on.

[Maggot]

I have found that kids that age process death very different than an adult will. We look at this and tears start to well up, many of those kids were crying, but I bet they were not crying about the death but because all the noise, people running around, parents crying, yelling screaming. Many will go back to that school with more curiosity than before. They really do not understand death at 6-7 yrs old and will come up with things that only their creative imaginative minds will produce.
I thought I heard that the PA system was on as he killed a few adults. The entire school must have heard that.

[HairOfTheDog]

IDK what's best for the children, maybe some of them are too traumatized and need more time and others would be better to just jump back into a classroom setting. I'm assuming that parents will be allowed a lot of flexibility in making that determination for their children.

I think that the children at the school range from ages 5 to 10 years old and Maggot's probably right that age will factor into how different children process what went down. In any case, a nearby closed school will be re-opened so that Sandy Hill staff and students can resume classes this week. Wishing them all as smooth and comfortable a transition as possible.

In his email sent to parents this morning, Agostine wrote, "We have been working with our First Selectman Steve Vavrek and representation from Newtown. Newtown will be using Chalk Hill School beginning this week. It is important that the Sandy Hook students get back to school quickly in an environment that is familiar and safe.

http://danbury.patch.com/articles/sandy-...rification

[username]

Too bad. Obama politicized his speech at the memorial with not at all subtle references to gun control. He should have waited.

[Jimbone]

Too bad. Obama politicized his speech at the memorial with not at all subtle references to gun control. He should have waited.

None of them can wait. They are all the same on every side of the aisle.

[Midwest Spy]

Too bad. Obama politicized his speech at the memorial with not at all subtle references to gun control. He should have waited.

In all seriousness, I'm glad you're not a reporter.

Is that really all you took from that speech?

He said this was 4^th mass shooting site he's had to visit during his presidency and he's tired of it.

He said we as a nation have to do better than accept that our women and children can be slaughtered and we're 'all right' with it.

He said no set of laws will ever eliminate the possibility of horrors like this happening.

He said we as people are at our best when we're caring for our kids and they deserve better.

He then read the names and I lost it.

[username]

Too bad. Obama politicized his speech at the memorial with not at all subtle references to gun control. He should have waited.

In all seriousness, I'm glad you're not a reporter.

Is that really all you took from that speech?

He said this was 4^th mass shooting site he's had to visit during his presidency and he's tired of it.

He said we as a nation have to do better than accept that our women and children can be slaughtered and we're 'all right' with it.

He said no set of laws will ever eliminate the possibility of horrors like this happening.

Yeah. Like I said, he referenced, indirectly, gun control. I don't disagree but I thought his initial comments on Friday were much more personal. It sounded like he was using this event to highlight the need for change but the timing was wrong. Say that shit when you go back to Washington tomorrow. Not when you're giving a memorial talk.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

Jesus Christ, all the fucking squirrils are coming out

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/police-i...ry-school/


CEDAR LAKE, Ind. (TheBlaze/AP) — Authorities say an Indiana man who had 47 guns and ammunition in his home has been arrested after allegedly threatening to kill people at an elementary school near his home.

Cedar Lake police were called to the home of 60-year-old Von I. Meyer early Friday after he allegedly threatened to set his wife on fire. A police statement says Meyer also said he would enter Jane Ball Elementary School, less than 1,000 feet from his home, and “kill as many people as he could before police stop him,” according to the Chicago Tribune.

Authorities found 47 guns and ammunition worth over $100,000.

Prosecutors filed felony intimidation charges against Meyer on Saturday, one day after the massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. A known member of a motorcycle gang, he is being held without bond.

Cedar Lake is about 45 miles southeast of Chicago.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

http://www.newser.com/story/159379/oklah...-plot.html

Oklahoma Student Nabbed in School-Shooting Plot

(Newser) – The morning of one school shooting, another may have been averted: Police arrested a teenager in northern Oklahoma yesterday for allegedly planning a Columbine-style attack on his high school. Authorities say 18-year-old Sammie Chavez tried to recruit students at Bartlesville High School's cafeteria this week for the massive gun-and-bomb plot, the Tulsa World reports. Chavez wanted "to lure students into the school auditorium where he planned to begin shooting them after chaining the doors shut," police wrote in a court affidavit.

And if recruits failed to follow orders, "he would not hesitate to kill them and/or himself," police added. The alleged plan included planting bombs by the auditorium doors and setting them off when police showed up. Chavez was already practicing with a Colt .45, police said, and using school computers to research a .22-caliber rifle mounted on a machine gun platform. He was also seen reading up on the Columbine massacre and researching pipe bombs online. Police arrested Chavez yesterday morning and his bail was set at $1 million.

[blueberryhill]

I don't recall where i read it here on Mock, but Cracker you said if a parent was killed by their child or that child ended up as a killer, it
was due to bad parentlng. That is often not the case. You have many families who have excellent parenting skills and have raised several successful, up-standing kids, but there might be one in the brood who is the "black sheep," "the bad seed," etc. They are usually diagnosed with a multitude of maladies. e.g, personality disorder, borderline personality, histrionics, etc. I blame my parents for a lot of my faults (hehe), but if there is a child with severe mental health issues, good parenting is not going to work. Some research shows that brain scans of the mentally disturbed people are different from "normal" people.. Some parents try to get help but there is not a lot of mental health treatment out there except giving anti-psychotic drugs and anti-depressants. We have very few in-patient facilities for the dangerous mentally ill patients.

[JsMom]

We also had a plot in a town about 20 mins away. The boy has been arrested and an assult riflde wAs found when searching his home. :/

[HairOfTheDog]

The shooter's mother knew he was disturbed from an early age, according to the article about her linked below. He bounced from school to school and home-schooling was also attempted. No information as to whether she sought counseling for her son other than a family member claiming that she wouldn't have hesitated to do so if he needed it. Clearly, he did.

I don't understand why she introduced a disturbed anti-social child to guns, even if they were her hobby. Investigators are currently looking into the shooter's gun experience and how it might tie into motive.

http://news.msn.com/us/gunmans-mother-ke...ife-hidden

[Jimbone]

I don't understand why she introduced a disturbed anti-social child to guns, even if they were her hobby. Investigators are currently looking into the shooter's gun experience and how it might tie into motive.

Tragically, she was an idiot. She should have never had firearms around her son, and she was extremely irresponsible to have done so.

[username]

It occurred to me that this certainly diverted attention from the issue of the fiscal cliff. Maybe Adam was a government controlled robot.