GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, OR DO THEY?

[SIXFOOTERsez]

The problem with the "Universal" or "Expanded" background checks is the other stuff that they were making them imply.
Specifically; They wanted Every gun transaction to involve a check. Sounds like a good idea right? SO how do you make that work? It means that "they" (the govt) have to know what you have and what the other guy has. Also doesn't sound like all that bad a deal either right? Well, if they know, they can come and take them, simple as that.
Most folks that subscribe to the Right to Bear Arms do not trust our govt. Neither did the founding fathers, otherwise they would not have put that stuff in the constitution.
New York by "Requireing" all owners of "Asault Weapons" to register them are turning otherwise law abiding citizens into Felons for simply not agreeing with and complying with new laws enacted simply as a political ploy to apease an ignorant electorate.
We have no national gun registration, nor should we. Some municiplaities are trying to create them and for a time they will have some success. Cooler wiser minds will prevail, lawyers will get some work and those laws will be struck down.
Not one of that whole bag of new laws will stop a single attack in the future and they would not have stopped any of the attacks in the recent months or last few years.
What we do need is a Crazy Motherfucker registry. Register and RFID tag the nuts and criminals.
Its simple and cheap to put up a RFID tag reader on schools, gun dealers, gun show doors etc.
With that the dealer or door security immediately know if a nut or felon are trying to come in. Neither one has any business at a gun show of the gun counter at Sears or Walmart.
A National Crazy Motherfucker Registry (NCMR) could quite easily be cross checked along with current Convicted Felon databases when you fill out the current background check paperwork to buy a weapon at any commercial interprise.
If a hit on the NCMR comes up, say that says your address is the same as some nut, then you are automatically issued the requisite warnings about your responsibilities to keep your weapons out of the hands of the nut along with a simple agreement form to sign on to indicate your understanding about the safe keeping of your weapons.
If this had been in place, Gabby Giffords wouldn't have a hole in her head and all those kids in conneticut would still be irritating their parents.
The People in Aurora would have seen the end of the movie. The Firemen in (Jersy?) wouldn't have gotten shot while putting out a fire.
All those GIs in Killeen wouldn't be dead.

Simple fix, doesn't put anything ownerous on law abiding citizens, will cost a lot less than the disasters do.
Win, Win.

The answer is Fix the Problem, not re-engineer our rights or society.
Stop the criminals and the nuts
I wouldn't feel the need to carry if there weren't a reason to.

[Maggot]

The word on the street is that Obama is pissed that the gun bill did not pass. He is worried that he will become a lame duck and that does not sit well with his superiority complex. Wait for some new angle coming from Washington in the next few days.......

[F.U.]

[Maggot]

Man give the dude some slack he fired a gun once.

[HairOfTheDog]

Didn't expect the gun and ammo bans to pass, but really thought that universal background checks most likely would.

Was hoping that universal checks would be a step in the right direction (without a registry) in keeping more guns out of the wrong hands. But, looks like Obama's lost a lot of support/momentum on that front. Or, a lot of congresspersons voiced hollow support right after Newtown and backed off when the heat died down, despite overwhelming public support (according to polls).

Ah well, the administrative orders to promote better mental illness tracking and reporting are positive steps that might help, and it seems like safety awareness at schools and public places remains higher than it was before December. Good things.

[Maggot]

I was wondering how accurate the polls were for public support. The media was all over that, but every person I know was not supporting any of the legislation as put forth. I'm in a rural district so the people I know all have guns for hunting or protection. Government has a nasty reputation for ignoring anything away from the city and I just bet many of the Gumbies in Washington added up the votes. That is what seems to be what they really care about.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

Didn't expect the gun and ammo bans to pass, but really thought that universal background checks most likely would.

Was hoping that universal checks would be a step in the right direction (without a registry) in keeping more guns out of the wrong hands. But, looks like Obama's lost a lot of support/momentum on that front. Or, a lot of congresspersons voiced hollow support right after Newtown and backed off when the heat died down, despite overwhelming public support (according to polls).

Ah well, the administrative orders to promote better mental illness tracking and reporting are positive steps that might help, and it seems like safety awareness at schools and public places remains higher than it was before December. Good things.

The problem the fux had was in trying to ram a bunch of other stuff in there with it. I pulled and read S.649 today just to actually see what it said. The part about putting nuts in the NICS should have taken up 2 pages in its entirity, this thing is 26 pages. You know they wanted $400,000,000 for this? They also criminalized me selling any weapon except through a FFL dealer. They also dolled out a lot of $ to all kinds of education programs, some even possibly good.
Nothing in there though would have dealt with the problem, nothing direct to get nuts in the database.
They tried to run a bunch of BS through, same dishonest shit they always do.

[Duchess]

I'm reading the Washington Post right now, the story is in regards to what went down overnight in Boston, at the end of the story people are commenting about it and one person posts, "Wouldn't you like to have a gun in your house if you lived in Watertown where a madman is lurking in your neighborhood?" and someone replies with "NO! I would much rather have the police shoot him!" Bwahahaha. Stupid fucker! The bad guys don't wait for the cops to get there. I'm amused & disgusted at the same time. Why would anyone think the cops are their savior?

[Duchess]

What follows are PSA's from Moms Demand Action -

[F.U.]

The boy holding the modern sporting rifle in pic two, as well as the girl in pic three holding the rifle, both need their asses kicked. Then the "adults" taking the pics and supervising this photo shoot also need a good swift kick in the ass. Look at the booger pickers resting on the bang sticks. That is a big no no and they should be educated.
Now on the other hand, girl in pic one is displaying great finger discipline.

[HairOfTheDog]

Didn't expect the gun and ammo bans to pass, but really thought that universal background checks most likely would.

The problem the fux had was in trying to ram a bunch of other stuff in there with it. I pulled and read S.649 today just to actually see what it said. The part about putting nuts in the NICS should have taken up 2 pages in its entirity, this thing is 26 pages. You know they wanted $400,000,000 for this? They also criminalized me selling any weapon except through a FFL dealer. They also dolled out a lot of $ to all kinds of education programs, some even possibly good.
Nothing in there though would have dealt with the problem, nothing direct to get nuts in the database.
They tried to run a bunch of BS through, same dishonest shit they always do.

Thanks, Six. I'll check out S.649.

Frustrating how much shit gets piggybacked onto valid bills in attempt to ramrod it through legislation; happens way too often. If that's the deal with the universal background check proposal, it's a good thing if it gets rejected.

[HairOfTheDog]

Had to put glasses on to read those PSAs.

They're having the exact opposite effect on me than intended. Ignorant ads.

I understand moms who suppport gun control. No problem. But, this group of people seem to be advocating as much for banning things (certain books, sports, candy) as for smart gun laws... Either their message is lost in the ad, or their message is clear and it's stupid. I'd rally against MOMS DEMAND ACTION based on these ads alone!!

Okay, maybe I'm still a little pissed about the dodge ball ban. Still, government intervention and legally banning something should be the last resort, not a standard to be heralded. IMO.

[Duchess]

Not that I would be aware of this but I never knew that Little Red Riding Hood was banned from schools because there is a bottle of wine in the basket.

[HairOfTheDog]

Not that I would be aware of this but I never knew that Little Red Riding Hood was banned from schools because there is a bottle of wine in the basket.

That PSA is really misleading, but technically accurate.

The extreme conservatives who push for book bans are more puzzling to me than the liberals who push for extreme gun control measures.

Some head-shakers:

Charles Perrault's "Little Red Riding Hood" was banned from a school district or two in California because of the wine in the basked for Grandma. Mitchell's Gone with the Wind too, because of its depiction of slavery, and Scarlett's immoral behavior.

Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird was banned by a Minnesota school district because of Scout's sorta/kinda swearing. Also banned by a district in Texas because the subject matter conflicted with community values.

Shakespeare's play, Twelfth Night, was banned in New Hampshire because it violated the law prohibiting talking about alternative lifestyles and homosexuality in schools (the ship wrecked heroine dresses as a boy for a point, falls in love with a boy, and it becomes a love story: Shakespeare in Love style.)

Dahl's James and The Giant Peach was banned in several districts because of references to magical experiences, drugs and alcohol. Twain's Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn also banned in several states/districts due to the alleged immorality of the characters....

Classics that I've read with all of my nieces and nephews (except Twelfth Night) that have been banned from schools or libraries at some point. STUPID.

I'd like to use the book banning brigade as target practice (I only have a water pistol).

The MOMS DEMAND ACTION PSAs get me annoyed thinking about what has been banned from schools, not about the fact that guns aren't banned on a federal level. That's why I think the ads are ignorant and ineffective (unless I'm less representative of a good deal of the population than I think).

[Jimbone]

I think these moms need action alright... so they can relax a little bit.

[Duchess]

Arkansas State Rep. Nate Bell sent this tweet out Friday morning while the manhunt was going on in Boston -

I wonder how many Boston liberals spent the night cowering in their homes wishing they had an AR-15 with a hi-capacity magazine? #2A
— Nate Bell (@NateBell4AR) April 19, 2013

[Jimbone]

Arkansas State Rep. Nate Bell sent this tweet out Friday morning while the manhunt was going on in Boston -

I wonder how many Boston liberals spent the night cowering in their homes wishing they had an AR-15 with a hi-capacity magazine? #2A
— Nate Bell (@NateBell4AR) April 19, 2013

What a tool bag.

Although, I guess he is following the mantra of 'never let a crisis go to waste' he learned from other bottom feeder politicians.

Bottom feeder politicians... hehehe... that's a great example of tautology.

[Duchess]

A teacher's meeting at an Oregon elementary school was interrupted Friday by two masked men with handguns who began firing at random.

Here's what the teachers didn't know: It was a drill and the men were firing blanks.

Over the past few weeks, Pine Eagle Charter School staff had been trained on how to handle situations involving an active shooter, The Oregonian reported.

Administration then scheduled the surprise drill for a day when school was not in session. No children were present, but teachers were in the building for a meeting.

"I'll tell you, the whole situation was horrible," teacher Morgan Gover told The Oregonian.

The stunt has sparked criticism from community members and outrage from the Internet. Oregonian reader Tommy Phillips commented:

"What happens when the unannounced drill meets a concealed carrier and blows one of these people running the drill away? How many men carry pocket knives and would jump up and stab you in the throat? Not a smart way to run drills, in fact that's just plain stupid!"

Other readers noted that the surprise drill could have been fatal for a teacher with a heart condition.

Story

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5-Year-Old Shoots 2-Year-Old Sister in Kentucky


By TRAVIS LOLLER and DYLAN LOVAN Associated Press
BURKESVILLE, Ky. May 1, 2013 (AP)
In southern Kentucky, where children get their first guns even before they start first grade, Stephanie Sparks paid little attention as her 5-year-old son, Kristian, played with the rifle he was given last year. Then, as she stepped onto the front porch while cleaning the kitchen, "she heard the gun go off," a coroner said.

In a horrific accident Tuesday that shocked a rural area far removed from the national debate over gun control, the boy had killed his 2-year-old sister, Caroline, with a single shot to the chest.

"Down in Kentucky where we're from, you know, guns are passed down from generation to generation," Cumberland County Coroner Gary White said. "You start at a young age with guns for hunting and everything."

What is more unusual than a child having a gun, he said, is "that a kid would get shot with it."

In this case, the rifle was made by a company that sells guns specifically for children — "My first rifle" is the slogan — in colors ranging from plain brown to hot pink to orange to royal blue to multi-color swirls.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/polic...YMMzrWyBqU




I'm not trying to make a statement about gun control but...I do wonder about the wisdom of making guns for children that look like toys.

[ramseycat]

The mother thought nothing of her 5 year old playing with his rifle?!?!?!?!