GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, OR DO THEY?

[Duchess]

I wasn't saying that in response to comment to MS.
You made comment above about your eyes bugging out when i called someone a name. I should have quoted you, but sometimes I am just stupid. Sorry, it had nothing to do with MS.....

No apology necessary & you're not stupid. OTD can make my eyes bug too.

[HairOfTheDog]

- The 17 year-old nephew of his ex-wife is in serious but stable, condition. He, Anthony Flick, is expected to live.

I can't recall if I read this in the Philly news or heard it reported by one of their stations but it was said the SWAT team found him on the 3^rd floor, he had managed to get away and hid himself, he stayed hidden for several hours. Poor kid, he was trying to save his sister. I'll look around and see if I can find the video or the article this came from.

I did read that he was trapped inside without medical attention as authorities were trying to ensure it was safe to enter. In a flash, he had so very much taken away from him -- really pulling for him.

It seems a cell video statement was found with Stone's body. I don't believe that video has been released to the public.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/loca...83841.html

[Duchess]

I didn't see this coming. The coroner says there are no visible signs of trauma on the shooter's body.

The man accused of going on a killing spree in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania before being found dead in the woods did not have any visible trauma to his body, the county coroner tells NBC10.

It's a vastly different report about the state of Bradley Stone's body and his assumed manner of death than what was released by prosecutors on Tuesday.

Montgomery County Coroner Dr. Walter Hoffman tells NBC10's Deanna Durante that there was no sign of trauma to Stone's body and no sharp cutting instruments .

Story

[HairOfTheDog]

Strange, for sure.

Initial reports speculated Stone died as a result of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Then, that was retracted and he was said to have stabbed or cut the center of his body, which caused his death.

Now, the ME says no trauma to the body, no fatal cuts.

So, was he so much of a coward that he shot and cut others to death mercilessly and then simply overdosed himself? Wouldn't be surprised.

[HairOfTheDog]

Nevermind, MS.

I found a link to a story citing Nicole Hill Stone's family and friends saying she'd recently sought treatment for substance abuse, which further heated up the long and contentious custody battle between the couple.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation...lings.html

[Midwest Spy]

MS: I haven't seen anything about Nicole Hill being an addict, not that it would make her murder any less tragic. Do you have a link or is that gossip?

I was reading about the incident as it was happening Monday and was going off the local Philly news stations' websites, particularly the ABC and NBC pages.

A woman, I think a neighbor, had mentioned rehab, etc. she also had mentioned that Nicole was very fearful of Brad and that she had a feeling this would happen one day.

Unbelievably horrific story.

[username]

People kill people with guns more easily than they can with knives or hammers or any other weapons. This entire argument is ridiculous. If our forefathers knew that our governments would have RPG's, nuclear weapons, missiles, etc., I don't think they would have said:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Bullshit. I don't know much about guns but y'all are welcome to keep your pistols and muskets and such. Semi-automatic weapons and beyond...sorry. I don't think you have any more right to those than you do to a nuclear arsenal.

CLEARLY, our government has weapons that supersede the rights of the people to bear those Arms--the people's rights SHOULD be infringed upon for God's sake.

I don't think even most gun nuts advocate for access to fully automatic weapons and such. Or maybe they do. Freaks. I'd like all semi-automatic weapons banned in the US. Get rid of them. Nationwide. If it's a state by state decision, it's worthless.

[Cutz]

I thought of this guy when I heard this song on the radio today. Guess he didn't actually shoot himself, but it still fit.

[cannongal]

Yeah, you want to make something out of it, genius! I will try to follow in your footsteps to be more brilliant.......I will stand up for my beliefs whether u like it or not, fuckface. I never have liked your posts but i was taught to be tolerant and not judge others. This is Mock and if you take every post literally, then guess what, you are the fool.....
There are some people on here who I really like and they make me laugh even though we have different belief systems. But you have never made me laugh or said anything i agree with........
I have fun on Facebook, because i enjoy provoking people but you don't even get that which validates my opinion of you. I don't like you and wouldn't like you in rl......
And yeah, we all have to jump through hoops now to get pain killers (controlled drugs) on the "list." The reason being of all the abuse of prescription drugs in this country. I choose not to discuss my doctors with you. It is none of your business.
I recommend that you take a class in "logic." I don't care what you fire back to me. Just take your illogical logic and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.....Bye now.....I so enjoy adversity.....

Don't care whether you like me of not. Not here for a popularity contest, nor to impress some old broad that wasn't smart enough to keep LC's funeral home information to herself.

[HairOfTheDog]

People kill people with guns more easily than they can with knives or hammers or any other weapons. This entire argument is ridiculous. If our forefathers knew that our governments would have RPG's, nuclear weapons, missiles, etc., I don't think they would have said:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Bullshit. I don't know much about guns but y'all are welcome to keep your pistols and muskets and such. Semi-automatic weapons and beyond...sorry. I don't think you have any more right to those than you do to a nuclear arsenal.

CLEARLY, our government has weapons that supersede the rights of the people to bear those Arms--the people's rights SHOULD be infringed upon for God's sake.

I don't think even most gun nuts advocate for access to fully automatic weapons and such. Or maybe they do. Freaks. I'd like all semi-automatic weapons banned in the US. Get rid of them. Nationwide. If it's a state by state decision, it's worthless.

I understand your argument and think it has merit.

What do you think about the implementation of strong and consistent gun control in all states, as an alternative to banning all semi-automatics? Not far enough?

I mean, the ease with which individuals can legally acquire arms (semi-automatics or any other arms) and the number of unassociated people packing them flies in the face of "well regulated militia", IMO.

[Maggot]

First it was the fully automatic, now its the semi-automatic, next it will be handguns then rifles then shotguns then black powder.
Semi automatics are not fully auto they work by every time you pull the trigger a bullet comes out. people have no clue and are gun shy. Its city training that does that and media hysteria that perpetuates it.

[HairOfTheDog]

I have a clue, Maggot. I'm far from gun shy. And, I just happen to be city folk!!

So, I disagree that being from the city makes me any more fearful or any less capable of understanding the issues at play than people from more rural areas; issues like how a gun works, how guns can be safely used for recreation/hunting/self-defense, gun crime stats and trends, the politics and effectiveness of current gun control legislation, media hype vs. media reporting, the Constitutional rights afforded to US citizens, problems associated with restricting the many for the actions of the few, how criminals work around laws and regulations...

The weak contention that anyone who's open to considering and discussing stricter gun control on a national level is somehow fearful and void of understanding is a contention that I see touted often by those who wanna stymie gun control discussion. That contention is baseless rhetoric, IMO.

Anyway, despite being a "city person", I'm qualified to have gun control discussions, as is user and everyone posting here, regardless as to whether they have as much personal experience or cultural indoctrination to guns as you and F.U. and some others, or whether they believe the second amendment to the U.S. Constitution is all-important or instead irrelevant, or whether they've educated themselves on the facts as much as I have or not...

[Maggot]

I do believe that if a person is buying a gun for the first time should have to have a certificate in gun safety and precautions that states they have been through a coarse and fully understand the implications of the responsibilities of gun ownership. If a person has not checked their guns properly the certificate could state that they have responsibility of whomever uses the gun that's owned by them.
Stolen guns would be a different story.
The issue is that once a law has been passed it is then in the future controlled by the few for the many.
And I tossed the city thing in just to raise eyebrows, that's good you came out swinging.

[HairOfTheDog]

Heck, that wasn't swinging.

I'm not a morning swinger.

That was some friendly wake-up waving, from CA to NH.

[Midwest Spy]

There are just too many guns in this country, and recently the problem has become legally purchased fire-arms committing more and more of the crimes.

People that were once sane, are either turning into bad guys, or their family members (who are psycho or evil) get ahold of their guns.

It's a no-win proposition. Guns will always be around.

I've said this time and time again: simply hope and pray you or your loved ones aren't around when a crazy with a legally purchased firearm decides to go on a rampage.

I guess you could hope there's a "good guy" with a gun nearby, too.

lol

[Maggot]

I agree with you...........

[Duchess]

When that spree shooter was on the loose up in PA this week someone thought to be him (it wasn't) rushed a person and threatened him with a knife, he was attempting to carjack a man, the man had a permit to carry and he saved himself by pulling out his weapon. Funny that hasn't gotten any real airtime, we only hear about the instances where guns are used in an unlawful way.

[Midwest Spy]

Sounds like that report turned out to be a hoax.

[Duchess]

Sounds like that report turned out to be a hoax.

Where did you read that? NBC10's website doesn't indicate it was a hoax at all.

[Maggot]