GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, OR DO THEY?

[HairOfTheDog]

On a separate note, this off duty veteran cop shot himself by accident in an elevator in Ohio on Friday; all on surveillance. Jesus. He'll survive the wound; not sure about the embarrassment.

Every time I see gun nuts out there yawping about losing their rights and no gun ever killed anybody on its own and how they've all been raised right with guns and taught gun safety, this is what I picture..

This morning I read about a police chief who has accidentally shot himself twice (first time was in 1999 assembling a gun that he thought was unloaded). Below is video of his second and recent self-shooting. The chief, the tv station, and the police force blame the drawstring on the cops jacket for catching on the Glock's safety (and insinuate that the safety feature on the Glock 22 and Glock 23 are accomplices). Uh, I disagree -- I blame the dude wearing the jacket, personally.



Also this morning, I read about a Kentucky cop named Darrell Williams who is suing a gun shop owner for medical bills and lost income. He shot himself in the finger last year while checking out a gun which the shop clerk had just handed him from the display case. He lost his job. Here's the video.


The gun shop owner seems unfazed by the lawsuit. He says the incident is all on tape and it'll be clear in court who's responsible. The cop is lucky he didn't shoot the other shop patrons.

I'm curious as to what F.U. and others here think in terms of liability. It's my understanding that the Kentucky cop didn't know the gun was loaded and I have no idea whether gun shop owners and clerks typically keep loaded guns in display cases. But, shouldn't the cop, or any other gun owner, assume every gun he picks up is loaded?

[HairOfTheDog]

Saw that one the other day, losing his finger. Man, what a fuck-up by both parties. A cop should always know to verify the gun is unloaded...but man, every hand gun I've ever looked at to purchase from a gun store, before it was handed to me for observation, the guy behind the counter either handed it to me with the cylinder open, and checked prior to handing it to me, or in the case of a semi-auto the magazine was pulled out, and the chamber was cleared and checked before handing it to me.

I can't fathom how a bullet was in that chamber. Clerk that handed him that gun should be fired.

I'm interested in the civil suit and whether the gun store will be found liable.

Based on the video alone and not knowing the gun shop's policies, I agree with you that the clerk was negligent and should have been fired, unless the clerk told the cop in advance that the gun was loaded.

But, as a presumably a trained/responsible gun owner, I'm not sure the officer is entitled to any financial compensation. I've always heard and read (in this thread and in gun safety literature) that it's the responsibility of gun owners to assume every gun they handle is loaded until they verify otherwise. The officer's complacency in this case could have resulted in other shop customers getting shot -- I think he's a dumbass.

[thekid65]

I can't imagine any reputable gun shop having a loaded gun in the display case...it just doesn't/shouldn't happen, period. But, in case it does, that is why it should always be checked prior to handing to a potential customer. I could maybe see something like this happening at a gun show...but at a licensed dealer store? Never.

AT THE SAME FUCKING TIME....anyone...and I mean ANYONE trained in firearm safety/use...rule #1...never point a gun at anything you don't want to kill, and always assume the gun is loaded...johnny should fucking know better.

[F.U.]

I can't imagine any reputable gun shop having a loaded gun in the display case...it just doesn't/shouldn't happen, period. But, in case it does, that is why it should always be checked prior to handing to a potential customer. I could maybe see something like this happening at a gun show...but at a licensed dealer store? Never.

AT THE SAME FUCKING TIME....anyone...and I mean ANYONE trained in firearm safety/use...rule #1...never point a gun at anything you don't want to kill, and always assume the gun is loaded...johnny should fucking know better.

I agree , I show clear on every firearm, every time ! Even if the customer wants to see the same gun several times as they are making their mind up. It gets cleared again and again and again.
The only loaded firearms in the shop are the ones we have on our sides, but ALL are treated as if they are loaded.

ETA . . . It really is amazing how many times a day I get swept with a firearm. Customers have a bad habit of turning back and forth as they talk with their friends, aiming, etc, all the while they have their booger hook on the bang stick.

[F.U.]

On a separate note, this off duty veteran cop shot himself by accident in an elevator in Ohio on Friday; all on surveillance. Jesus. He'll survive the wound; not sure about the embarrassment.

Every time I see gun nuts out there yawping about losing their rights and no gun ever killed anybody on its own and how they've all been raised right with guns and taught gun safety, this is what I picture..

This morning I read about a police chief who has accidentally shot himself twice (first time was in 1999 assembling a gun that he thought was unloaded). Below is video of his second and recent self-shooting. The chief, the tv station, and the police force blame the drawstring on the cops jacket for catching on the Glock's safety (and insinuate that the safety feature on the Glock 22 and Glock 23 are accomplices). Uh, I disagree -- I blame the dude wearing the jacket, personally.



Also this morning, I read about a Kentucky cop named Darrell Williams who is suing a gun shop owner for medical bills and lost income. He shot himself in the finger last year while checking out a gun which the shop clerk had just handed him from the display case. He lost his job. Here's the video.


The gun shop owner seems unfazed by the lawsuit. He says the incident is all on tape and it'll be clear in court who's responsible. The cop is lucky he didn't shoot the other shop patrons.

I'm curious as to what F.U. and others here think in terms of liability. It's my understanding that the Kentucky cop didn't know the gun was loaded and I have no idea whether gun shop owners and clerks typically keep loaded guns in display cases. But, shouldn't the cop, or any other gun owner, assume every gun he picks up is loaded?

HotD, I think both parties are at fault, with the scale tipped towards the shop having more of the fault. The shop fucked up by having that gun in the case and not clearing, but the cop should have known better than to pull that trigger without checking clear.
This is actually always in my mind. I watch our customers like a hawk because I fear that some day one could enter our shop with a handful/pocketful of ammo, ask to see a gun that it will fit and then slip a few rounds in without us noticing it. That could get ugly on many levels. If they just returned the gun and we just put it back in the case we have a loaded gun in the case without us knowing it. If they had a death wish they could do the deed right there in the shop. If they were hell bent on robbing us they could also do that.
All in all, I pay very close attention to customers and NEVER have more than 1 gun out of the case at a time. But hey, that's just me. How others run their business I can not say.

[thekid65]

ETA . . . It really is amazing how many times a day I get swept with a firearm. Customers have a bad habit of turning back and forth as they talk with their friends, aiming, etc, all the while they have their booger hook on the bang stick.

Your patience is outstanding. It would be all I could do not to reach across the counter and bitch-slap the customer.

[crash]

That cant have missed that guy on the chair by much. JFC..

[Maggot]

Booger hook on the bang stick.

[HairOfTheDog]

The latest Irresponsible Dipshits with Guns Awards go to..........

1. Unidentified mom in Elmo, Missouri: 5-year-old shoots 9-month-old brother to death in his playpen
Yesterday morning, mom called 911. Her five-year-old was handling a loaded 22 in the home when the boy shot his 9-month-old brother. Doctors at Children’s Mercy Hospital in Kansas City pronounced the baby dead just before noon, said Nodaway County Sheriff Darren White. http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/art...rylink=cpy



2. Dumb Dad near Dallas, Texas shoots his 10-year-old daughter


Colleyville spokeswoman Mona Gandy said the girl’s father, Steve Johnson -53 (pictured above), was showing visitors his handgun at his home when the gun discharged just before midnight on Saturday. The bullet went through a wall and struck his 10-year-old daughter in the hand. The girl’s mother drove her to a nearby emergency room in Colleyville and the girl was flown to the hospital for treatment, Gandy said. Police arrested Johnson on a charge of injury to a child (good). The girl is recovering. http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/...ting.html/

These parents piss me off -- there's just no excuse.

[HairOfTheDog]

^ That's the 9-month-old who was killed yesterday by his 5-year-old brother in Missouri.

As more details are being reported, I think it's grandpa who is more deserving of the dipshit award than mom.

The family was reportedly visiting gramps when the fatal shooting occurred. Mom says she didn't even know there was a gun in the house.

The 5-year-old found the loaded revolver, shot his brother, then told his mom he was sorry (I don't know why she didn't hear it go off, if she didn't). The gun had been on a shelf on the headboard in the bedroom where the baby was located.

So, what did gramps, William Porter, have to say about his grandson shooting his other grandson with his unsecured gun? 'I told the boys they weren't supposed to be in my bedroom where I keep the gun cabinet and they knew it — but like I said, boys will be boys.'

[ramseycat]

Boys will be boys?? I hope he gets charged.

[HairOfTheDog]

Boys will be boys?? I hope he gets charged.

Gramps needs to get his story straight. I suspect that he's an effin' liar who's trying to cover his ass now and avoid negligence charges (and he probably will).

An earlier report contends that gramps had the revolver on a shelf on the headboard. This later report from a few hours ago quotes gramps saying that the guns were locked up and he insinuates a five-year-old got into a locked gun cabinet using a screw driver or some random key. Sure gramps. Sure.

Snip:
As she grieves for her baby and worries about the future of her eldest son, whose name is being withheld by NBC News, Alexis Wiederholt said her loss should be a warning to others to protect children from firearms.

She said she had no idea that her father, William Porter, kept a loaded pistol in the Elmo home she and the children were visiting. "I didn't know it was there until I turned around and saw it laying on the bed," she said. "I don't know why someone would have a loaded gun in the house while kids were around."

Porter told NBC News that he had the pistol for security and target practice and kept it in a locked case in his bedroom with other guns he uses for sport. "I set it up behind the long arms. It's always been there. I've never moved it," he said.

It's unclear how the child got into the case, but Porter said it could be opened with a screwdriver or even a random key. "I told the boys they weren't supposed to be in my bedroom where I keep the gun cabinet and they knew it — but like I said, boys will be boys," Porter said in an emotional phone interview.

Asked whether he regrets keeping the weapons in the home, Porter said, "I do now."

Sheriff Darren White said he's a supporter of gun ownership — but that too many people are complacent about weapons.

"There are a lot of people who have handguns for home protection who should maybe rethink that," he said. "And when you have kids running around, you don't leave loaded handguns anywhere."

Investigators have not yet interviewed the 5-year-old, and his mother said he hasn't processed his little brother's death.

"His dad tried talking to him about it, but he doesn't understand," Wiederholt said, adding that she still doesn't know why he fired the gun. "Maybe he thought it was something off a TV show," she said.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigatio...ed-n289541

[sally]

I just saw another one in Tampa where a 2 year old was left alone in the car while his parents were packing, opened up the glove compartment, grabbed the gun and shot himself in the chest.

I think all these parents should at least be charged with manslaughter.

[Duchess]

I just saw another one in Tampa where a 2 year old was left alone in the car while his parents were packing, opened up the glove compartment, grabbed the gun and shot himself in the chest.

I heard about that too. It seems like the pace of this kind of thing happening has picked up. I feel like I read about it weekly now. It's a fricken epidemic.

[crash]

Darwin. Smart fella..

[Cynical Ninja]

I wonder if babies shooting each other will change yanks attitude toward guns?

Nope, didn't think so.

Ho-hum.

[HairOfTheDog]

I just saw another one in Tampa where a 2 year old was left alone in the car while his parents were packing, opened up the glove compartment, grabbed the gun and shot himself in the chest.

I think all these parents should at least be charged with manslaughter.

Sheriff Bob Gualtieri says the parents won't face criminal charges because no one could punish them more than they'll punish themselves. He called the incident a "tragic situation" where "everything happens the wrong way."

"They took reasonable steps, and you can lawfully keep a gun in a vehicle in the glove box. It was secured in the glove box itself," Gaultieri said, according to CBS affiliate WTSP.

Discouraging.

RIP Kaleb Ahles.

[Duchess]

In the space of about five minutes this morning I read about two teenage girls being shot dead by police officers. One took place in Texas, the girl was at the police station saying she needed an officer and then proceeded to pull out a knife. The other shooting took place in Denver and the girl was the driver of a stolen car, she tried to run over the cop who was attempting to stop her. In both instances some people are complaining about deadly force. How could anyone with a grain of common sense question the shootings? What did they think the outcome would be? Jesus.

[HairOfTheDog]

That 2 year old is a natural! Can't even tie shoe laces yet but manages to get in to mom's purse, unzip the gun pouch, pull it out and make a perfect head shot!!!

You'll love this one.

Yesterday, a 3-year-old boy in Albuquerque shot both of his parents with a single bullet; efficient.

He reportedly reached into his mom's purse for an Ipod and instead found a 9mm gun. Feeling cheeky, the toddler proceeded to shoot his dad right in the ass. The bullet traveled through dad's hip and hit mom, who's 8 months pregnant, in the arm. Both are expected to survive. The boy did not shoot his 2-year-old sister who was in the room at the time.


Officer Simon Drobik was the first person on scene. The family was staying at a Best Western motel. Drobik placed a tourniquet, which all APD officers carry, on the woman’s arm and he said she appeared seriously injured. She remained in a hospital Saturday night.

The state Children, Youth and Families Department took custody of the children for at least 48 hours, Drobik said.

Drobik said police will recommend that the parents be charged with felony criminal negligence. (Good!)

“The child did the damage, but it was because of the negligence of the adults that the child was able to do this,” Drobik said. “If you are going to be a gun owner, you need to lock it up and keep it safe, especially around children.”

Story and pics: http://www.abqjournal.com/534611/news/tw...motel.html

[username]

A two-fer!!! Well done!!!


"The child did the damage...". I can't believe they even had the nerve to say that despite the rest of the comment. The "child" is 3!!!!


The idiot father: He said: "I was more worried about my girlfriend than myself and anything else that was going on. And my son because I didn't know if he had shot himself or not. He was shocked and crying. It was traumatising."

Ya' think?

Dumbass: